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Printableillimack said: SCNDLS said:  That is not what that means. It was posted in the other thread that the criminal threats charge is how most DAs pursue domestic abuse cases now waiting to develop the rest of the case before filing the actual battery charges. This is common and not unique to this situation and does not mean that they don't have enough evidence.
[Edited 2/11/09 8:44am] That is not a true statement. If she has obvious injuries and there is proof that Chris caused them, they would have at least charged him with it on top of the criminal threats. The case being sent back to the detective shows that it is not solid. (Check your org notes). Do they need Rihanna's cooperation to charge him with assault? Perhaps that is the reason why he's just charged with criminal threats if she hasn't agreed to give evidence or testify against him. | |
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Glindathegood said: LondonStyle said: Hey since we are all making out judgements from newspaper reports.....Madonna has lets say had a few about the way she treated Guy ...and Madonna would sue the pants of people quick fast in a hurry but she did not .....why?  I never read any newspaper that said Madonna beat Guy causing him any type of serious injury in any way similiar to what Chris Brown is alleged to have done to Rihanna. From what I read about Guy and Madonna, they had verbal arguments about religion,kids, their careers, the standard arguments every couple has. And just because you don't sue when a newspaper writes something about you doesn't mean it's true. A lot of celebrities feel it's not worth the time and expense to sue. Tabloids write false things about celebrities all the time and aren't sued. I thikn a lot of celebrites are intelligent to realize that most people don't really believe what the tabloids write anyway and know it's made up. [Edited 2/11/09 9:20am] Alleged ..... we all have to wait and see what happens ....lets not Judge Chris and Rihanna until we have the facts .....the information is Tabloid until then! Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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Glindathegood said: illimack said: That is not a true statement. If she has obvious injuries and there is proof that Chris caused them, they would have at least charged him with it on top of the criminal threats. The case being sent back to the detective shows that it is not solid. (Check your org notes). Do they need Rihanna's cooperation to charge him with assault? Perhaps that is the reason why he's just charged with criminal threats if she hasn't agreed to give evidence or testify against him. They do not need her cooperation to charge him with domestic assault. | |
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MRGee said: Yes, it's Fair. Men are still Usually Stronger and Bigger than women and they shouldn't be treating a Woman like a Man and punching them and breaking limbs or Noses. They should be Prosecuted to the Fullest Extent of the Law. He's not a good role model for kids to look up to,but I truly would like to know all the facts of this case. Madonna Was ABUSED by SEAN PENN supposedly he tied her to a Chair and tried to put her head in an oven and LAPD was Called.
With Madonna and Sean, she did call the police, but I'm not sure about the extent of the actual abuse. None of that was ever proven, just rumored. Madonna has quite a friendly relationship with Sean now, so if he really abused her terribly, it doesn't make sense she would still be so friendly with him. | |
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VoicesCarry said: Glindathegood said: Do they need Rihanna's cooperation to charge him with assault? Perhaps that is the reason why he's just charged with criminal threats if she hasn't agreed to give evidence or testify against him. They do not need her cooperation to charge him with domestic assault. Okay, but if they were the only two people present, if she doesn't give evidence how can they prove he did it unless he admits to it? Obviously, she had visible injuries but they have to be able to connect that directly to him. | |
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Glindathegood said: VoicesCarry said: They do not need her cooperation to charge him with domestic assault. Okay, but if they were the only two people present, if she doesn't give evidence how can they prove he did it unless he admits to it? Obviously, she had visible injuries but they have to be able to connect that directly to him. Police said that the woman who was battered (she has not officially been identified as Rihanna) fingered Brown as the perp. | |
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Glindathegood said: MRGee said: Yes, it's Fair. Men are still Usually Stronger and Bigger than women and they shouldn't be treating a Woman like a Man and punching them and breaking limbs or Noses. They should be Prosecuted to the Fullest Extent of the Law. He's not a good role model for kids to look up to,but I truly would like to know all the facts of this case. Madonna Was ABUSED by SEAN PENN supposedly he tied her to a Chair and tried to put her head in an oven and LAPD was Called.
With Madonna and Sean, she did call the police, but I'm not sure about the extent of the actual abuse. None of that was ever proven, just rumored. Madonna has quite a friendly relationship with Sean now, so if he really abused her terribly, it doesn't make sense she would still be so friendly with him. Bottom line.....Unless I have not been paying attention I dont recall seeing him vehemently denying anything....of course, it is his right to keep silent....but in this case, I would imagine that when your reputation and integrity is at stake, you would want to use the most visible forum to scream your innocence.... [Edited 2/11/09 9:39am] | |
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Glindathegood said: MRGee said: Yes, it's Fair. Men are still Usually Stronger and Bigger than women and they shouldn't be treating a Woman like a Man and punching them and breaking limbs or Noses. They should be Prosecuted to the Fullest Extent of the Law. He's not a good role model for kids to look up to,but I truly would like to know all the facts of this case. Madonna Was ABUSED by SEAN PENN supposedly he tied her to a Chair and tried to put her head in an oven and LAPD was Called.
With Madonna and Sean, she did call the police, but I'm not sure about the extent of the actual abuse. None of that was ever proven, just rumored. Madonna has quite a friendly relationship with Sean now, so if he really abused her terribly, it doesn't make sense she would still be so friendly with him. why do people throw the word "Abused" around like it comes with rules .... 1. Men only abuse Women fact 2. Women can not abuse men because they are the weaker sex 3. Abuse is always physical. 4. Black men abuse Black Women 5. White men do not abuse White Women 6. Once Abuse takes place no one ever speaks to each other again 7. ...blah...blah....blah...  Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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Allnall said: Glindathegood said: With Madonna and Sean, she did call the police, but I'm not sure about the extent of the actual abuse. None of that was ever proven, just rumored. Madonna has quite a friendly relationship with Sean now, so if he really abused her terribly, it doesn't make sense she would still be so friendly with him. Bottom line.....Unless I have not been paying attention I dont recall seeing him vehemently denying anything....of course, it is his right to keep silent....but in this case, I would imagine that when your reputation and integrity is at stake, you would want to use the most visible forum to scream your innocence.... [Edited 2/11/09 9:39am] Tell that to those people in that US army camp in Cuba...!  ...oh yeah we can't hear them..Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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VoicesCarry said: Glindathegood said: Do they need Rihanna's cooperation to charge him with assault? Perhaps that is the reason why he's just charged with criminal threats if she hasn't agreed to give evidence or testify against him. They do not need her cooperation to charge him with domestic assault. Correct. They do not need her cooperation, but I have seen cases dropped due to the the victims unwillingness to testify when the evidence alone is not enough to convict. **************************************************
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Glindathegood said: VoicesCarry said: They do not need her cooperation to charge him with domestic assault. Okay, but if they were the only two people present, if she doesn't give evidence how can they prove he did it unless he admits to it? Obviously, she had visible injuries but they have to be able to connect that directly to him. It's called, circumstantial evidence, | |
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TD3 said: Glindathegood said: Okay, but if they were the only two people present, if she doesn't give evidence how can they prove he did it unless he admits to it? Obviously, she had visible injuries but they have to be able to connect that directly to him. It's called, circumstantial evidence, or let's make it up evidence....but circumstantial sounds better... Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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Allnall said: Bottom line.....Unless I have not been paying attention I dont recall seeing him vehemently denying anything....of course, it is his right to keep silent....but in this case, I would imagine that when your reputation and integrity is at stake, you would want to use the most visible forum to scream your innocence.... [Edited 2/11/09 9:39am] I don't recall him being directly asked about the abuse. The abuse was all rumors in tabloids. It's not like Madonna directly accused of anything, in which case the press would have pressured him to answer. So I don't think a lot of people were jumping on him and attacking his reputation or integrity. Sean Penn does seem to get a lot of respect as an actor. For the most part, the media doesn't ask him about Madonna or his marriage to her or anything about his private life very much. I'm not sure why. I guess it would be different if he was someone less well known. He's on the same level of stardom as Madonna, so I guess he's shown equal respect, whereas someone less famous would be challenged more over abuse allegations. Also, I guess because of the image people have of Madonna. She's not someone people see as a victim or are likely to feel sorry for or sympathize with. [Edited 2/11/09 10:04am] | |
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LondonStyle said: TD3 said: It's called, circumstantial evidence, or let's make it up evidence....but circumstantial sounds better...  Well, that happens too. (Thats another thread and then some.) The popular notion that one cannot be convicted on circumstantial evidence is false. Most criminal convictions are based, at least in part, on circumstantial evidence that sufficiently links criminal and crime. | |
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Glindathegood said: Allnall said: Bottom line.....Unless I have not been paying attention I dont recall seeing him vehemently denying anything....of course, it is his right to keep silent....but in this case, I would imagine that when your reputation and integrity is at stake, you would want to use the most visible forum to scream your innocence.... [Edited 2/11/09 9:39am] I don't recall him being directly asked about the abuse. The abuse was all rumors in tabloids. It's not like Madonna directly accused of anything, in which case the press would have pressured him to answer. So I don't think a lot of people were jumping on him and attacking his reputation or integrity. Sean Penn does seem to get a lot of respect as an actor. For the most part, the media doesn't ask him about Madonna or his marriage to her or anything about his private life very much. I'm not sure why. I guess it would be different if he was someone less well known. He's on the same level of stardom as Madonna, so I guess he's shown equal respect, whereas someone less famous would be challenged more over abuse allegations. Also, I guess because of the image people have of Madonna. She's not someone people see as a victim or are likely to feel sorry for or sympathize with. [Edited 2/11/09 10:04am] Maybe the F*** You answer he would give puts them off... Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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TD3 said:[quote] LondonStyle said: or let's make it up evidence....but circumstantial sounds better... Well, that happens too. (Thats another thread and then some.) The popular notion that one cannot be convicted on circumstantial evidence is false. Most criminal convictions are based, at least in part, on circumstantial evidence that sufficiently links criminal and crime.[/quote]
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IAintTheOne said: hes a woman beater, a pussy, and yes he should be without a fucking doubt
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IAintTheOne said: hes a woman beater, a pussy, and yes he should be without a fucking doubt
We don't know that for sure. Don't jump to conclusions without hearing the entire story. I can understand dropping him from different appearances until this blows over, but the not playing his music is not fair. They did the same thing to the Dixie Chicks. It hurt their career for sure. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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paisleypark4 said: IAintTheOne said: hes a woman beater, a pussy, and yes he should be without a fucking doubt
So when a woman hits a man....is she a Dick ?.... Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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mancabdriver said: Would people care if he beat a woman who wasn't famous? I doubt it.
I'm not sure if R Kelly's career was been damaged by the allegations made against him, but if an Olsen twin was the alleged victim I’m sure the implications would be worse. But I’m sure people will forget about this in due course. I mean he only physically abused a person, it’s not like he flashed his boob– that is unforgivable. R. Kelly's career has definitely been hurt by all of the accusations. He can't get a new song on the radio to save his life. 5 years ago, anything he released got played. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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missfee said: and if people really think its fair that his songs get dropped from radio playlists, then fine....the following artists below songs should be dropped too:
James Brown (domestic abuse) Ike Turner (domestic abuse) Jimi Hendrix (domestic abuse) Notorious BIG (domestic abuse) Big Pun (domestic abuse) R. Kelly (child molestation) MJ (child molestation) Pete Townsend (child molestation) Christopher Williams (domestic abuse; but his songs aren't played anyway, )
and the list would get longer and longer. This is why its NOT fair that they are dropping Chris' songs. No Chris only has 2 albums and he is a teen idol...not a grown artist with longevity. And to add, Rhianna sure DID NOT come to his defense about the situation.....why are you trying to deny this? Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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I don't know if it's fair that his songs aren't being played on certain radio stations. It seems kinda unfair considering that the likes of R. Kelly still get heavy rotation on the radio.
LondonStyle said: paisleypark4 said: So when a woman hits a man....is she a Dick ?.... I'm not understanding why you keep bringing up this argument about women abusing men. What does that have to do with anything or this situation? I haven't heard anything about Chris being injured or suffering any bruises due to Rihanna hitting him. She's the one who ended up in the hospital afterall, not him. He fled the scene which tells me that he is guilty of something. I know if I was innocent, I definitely wouldn't run. I would wait 'til the cops came to give my side of the story. Now, I could definitely believe that Rihanna has a bad temper and who know's? She may have started an argument or a fight with him, but you're telling me that Chris could not have tried to restrain her in some way instead of hitting her? I seriously doubt she's stronger than him. He should have just walked away. "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ 
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fair. Maybe when his ass gets beaten by at least the system he's making money off of, it will snap his ass into realizing he needs to change his ways. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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LondonStyle said: paisleypark4 said: So when a woman hits a man....is she a Dick ?.... only if she is bigger and stronger than him Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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Graycap23 said: Some people are NOT innocent until PROVEN guilty.....
in fact most people are presumed guilty until proven innocent, and not just in the public's eye. Otherwise why would we lock a presumed innocent man in jail until he's proven guilty? My Legacy
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Cinnamon234 said: I don't know if it's fair that his songs aren't being played on certain radio stations. It seems kinda unfair considering that the likes of R. Kelly still get heavy rotation on the radio.
LondonStyle said: So when a woman hits a man....is she a Dick ?.... I'm not understanding why you keep bringing up this argument about women abusing men. What does that have to do with anything or this situation? I haven't heard anything about Chris being injured or suffering any bruises due to Rihanna hitting him. She's the one who ended up in the hospital afterall, not him. He fled the scene which tells me that he is guilty of something. I know if I was innocent, I definitely wouldn't run. I would wait 'til the cops came to give my side of the story. Now, I could definitely believe that Rihanna has a bad temper and who know's? She may have started an argument or a fight with him, but you're telling me that Chris could not have tried to restrain her in some way instead of hitting her? I seriously doubt she's stronger than him. He should have just walked away. Need i say more.....you have answered all my points in your own post ... Two wrongs don't make it right ...these two young people have made a big mistake ...any kind of abuse is wrong ...verbal / physical ...both cause damage..
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paisleypark4 said: LondonStyle said: So when a woman hits a man....is she a Dick ?.... only if she is bigger and stronger than him So its ok for a woman to abuse a boy until they reach 18 and they become a man
So if she is smaller she is a lady ? .... ....
and if she is bigger its ok for a woman to abuse a man ....? Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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Yeah it's "unfair", but let's look at it like this:
1.) He's black. 2.) He's accused of beating another famous singer, who happens to be his (ex) girlfriend. 3.) He was deemed wholesome before this Are y'all really surprised he's dropped? | |
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The media is loving this shit!
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