she's on a downward spiral

I feel kinda bad for her

thekidsgirl said:

Maybe he can, but there's nothing funny in that quote.

purplesweat said:

I think you would've had to hear his tone to appreciate it.

What was funny about it was that he'd gone off into this fantasy where he was almost talking to himself, in a low, creepy way that was part horny/part angry ("I'd like to fill the space between her ears with my man-juice..."), . As the scenario got more and more absurd, he slipped in "And drive her to a shallow grave...". When Robin snapped to and was, like, 'Wh-wh-WHAT?!', without missing a beat (and in the exact same tone) he threw in the "You don't understand my anger, Robin..."


And Robin's disapproving "I'm not understanding this whole...scenario..." was also priceless.

Ace said:

That just makes it scarier, that he thinks of doing such violent things to women.

purplesweat said:

Hmm...let's recap:

He wants to...

1. have vigorous intercourse with her
2. install his meat product in her eating establishment
3. ejaculate somewhere in or on her person
4. ejaculate inside her cranium
5. engage in sadomasochistic activities with her
6. combine his unsanitary wiener with her canned tuna product
7. have sexual intercourse with her in the trunk of an automobile
8. murder her and bury her corpse in a non-regulation tomb

Maybe I'm missing something here, but - for me - this is a typical Saturday night.

Ace said:

That just makes it scarier, that he thinks of doing such violent things to women.

That's what made it funny though, the fact that he went to such an absurd/fucked up place w/ it.

She said she don't wanna fuck,she wanna make love. Which is bullshit. I mean, fucking and making love...let's be real.

I mean, the physical act...I like to fuck somebody I'm in love with. But I ain't makin' love to nobody. When you get into bed, would you rather have somebody say, "Oh, make love to me!"? Or grab the back of your head and say, "Fuck the shit out of me!"?

HOWARD: I would slam her sooo hard with my salami… I'd like to take my salami and put it in her...kosher deli... I'd like to take my thick...hog and teach her a sperm-filled lesson... I'd like to fill the space between her ears with my man-juice... I would tie her up and then I'd fall asleep because I would've already finished... I would talk so dirty to her... "I'm gonna put my filthy hot dog in your Chicken of the Sea!" ... I'd lock her in a trunk and bang her in the trunk... And drive her to a shallow grave...

[AT THIS POINT, SUDDENLY ROBIN WAKES UP ]

ROBIN: What?! [IN A DISAPPROVING TONE:] I don't understand this whole...scenario...

HOWARD: You don't understand my anger, Robin...

CalhounSq said:

i klind of see your point, but find howard's ideas inapporpriate for the airwaves.

for the purposes of making a point, let's switch things around: instead of him berating a female, and using anti=women/misogynistic imagery to make his point, imagine if he were verbally berating a black person because of his or her skin color (instead of gender, as with simpson).

now is it funny?

XxAxX said:

Oh good God, here we go

I'm guessing you're posing the Black angle to ME vs. Ace for a reason, right? Had he been going at a Black person the context would have been completely different, so I can't say that it would have been funny b/c it obviously wouldn't have been the same stream of thought.

Not every "violence toward women" joke of his is funny, but this one is TO ME. Howard is an equal opportunity offender of any & everyone- sometimes it's funny, sometimes it ain't. Bottom line is I was a listener, would be now if I had satellite, & I do find him to be funny most of the time. This rant was funny TO ME, you don't have to agree w/ it.

tell ya what, for the purposes of making a point, let's switch things around: instead of him berating a female, and using anti-women/misogynistic imagery to make his point, imagine if he were verbally berating a black person because of his or her skin color (instead of gender, as with simpson).

i think howard should be shut down.

XxAxX said:

Why?

Ace said:

see above. do you think violence against women is 'funny'?

XxAxX said:

Did you see my second-last post? If not, take a look at that and let me know your feelings. After that, I will be glad to answer that question for you.

Ace said:

for the record i think derogatory language in the name of 'entertainment' is not appropriate. period. no matter if it's directed at someone because of gender, skin color, religion, sexual orientation or any other criteria.

now, it's a lovely saturday morning. i've expressed my opinion on this issue. not going to spend any more time/energy arguing with you over whether misogyny constitutes 'entertainment' or perpetuation of a hostile social climate against women.

in my opinion, the difference is self-evident. but, i've been on the ORG long enough to know i cannot change the mindset of strangers on the internet. i do hope you re-think what howard said, in the context of "hey! some women actually do live in fear of being sexually/physically abused each and every day" and maybe come to understand why howard's remarks are not funny.

but again, i can't change you or the way you think.

therefore, i see nothing to get worked up about here and now. over and out.

have a nice day!

CalhounSq said:

i did edit my response so you wouldn't take my response personally see above. i only wanted to put howard's idiocy into context. had he made similar remarks in a racial context, NO one would think it funny.

violence against women is a HUGE planetwide problem. as you know, even here, in the 'civilized' nation of america, one in four women are abused, mentally, physically, sexually, and most often by the men they are married to, or dating.

howard has no business making an atrocity like this into 'entertainment'. he has no business even implying that actions like the ones he describes are in any way, shape or form, acceptable. not even for entertainment purposes.

i think howard should be shut down. that's just my opinion.

thank you, rant over
[Edited 2/7/09 5:18am]

Speaking of Jessica Simpson and Howard, she figured into one of all-time favourite show moments.

They were discussing her one morning in '03 (I guess her MTV reality show was in its first blush of success) and Howard seemed to be a little taken with her, physically:




[Edited 2/6/09 20:50pm]

Ace said:

I love this quote. I remember hearing it way back when and laughing hard,
not because I find violence against women funny but because Howard's reverie here is clearly absurdist. It's what great comedy does; exaggerates something to clearly show the ridiculous. Howard does this all the time, whether it's about women, men, gays, straights, blacks, whites, and everybody else, and pretty much any religion. Just one of the many things that make him a genius.

Efan said:

Amen.

HOWARD: I would slam her sooo hard with my salami… I'd like to take my salami and put it in her...kosher deli... I'd like to take my thick...hog and teach her a sperm-filled lesson... I'd like to fill the space between her ears with my man-juice... I would tie her up and then I'd fall asleep because I would've already finished... I would talk so dirty to her... "I'm gonna put my filthy hot dog in your Chicken of the Sea!" ... I'd lock her in a trunk and bang her in the trunk... And drive her to a shallow grave...

You didn't answer any of my questions.

And it's no more "misogyny" for a man to make this kind of joke than it's misandry for a woman to say, 'Oh my God, Ashton Kutcher is dumb as a fucking rock. But, you know what? I'd still bang the living daylights out of him (I'd just throw him in the trash when I was done ).' No one would get their Pampers in a twist over that.

This kind of joke is not going to encourage violence towards anyone. It's an acknowledgment of the complexity of sexual feeling (while also being hella funny ) and to pretend that no one feels this way - although of course Howard's exaggerating for comic effect - is to live in denial.

One of the things that makes the show so important - yes, important - is that it's one of the few places in the mainstream media where people have frank, adult discussions about their true feelings. That's a good thing, no?

I don't know how I'm supposed to take it any differently w/ the edit - the point is you're asking ME about a race angle b/c you think it'll change my view on the joke in question. It doesn't, with or without the edit.

Howard Stern: Let's go to Selena, now.

Robin Quivers: Please.

Howard Stern: This is the Latin Madonna, the Tex Mex Madonna.

(Selena Music Plays - with sounds of gunshots over it)

Howard Stern: El pellagria. You know what that means?

Robin Quivers: What?

Howard Stern: Slowly.

Robin Quivers: Really?

Howard Stern: I don't know. El la grilla. Mis abios de pesca en la cocina. You know what that means? My fishing gear is in the kitchen. This music does absolutely nothing to me. I have no feel. It's almost like you could not have it on, or have it on, and my mood wouldn't change. Alvin and the Chipmunks had more soul. I'll never get this. I see this on Spanish TV all the time. I have no idea why she would even be popular over somebody else. This doesn't move you in any way, does it?

Robin Quivers: It's got a nice beat, I suppose.

Howard Stern: Spanish people -

Robin Quivers: I wouldn't listen to it if I had a choice.

Howard Stern: I mean Spanish people.

Robin Quivers: If it was playing I'd say oh there was a beat anyway.

Howard Stern: Spanish people have the worst taste in music. They really
do.

Male Voice: They don't like depth.

Howard Stern: No they don't like any depth. It's all like det-det-det-det-det-det-det-deh. All happy. That's because they're all so sad. We have nothing. Our government is corrupt.

Male Voice: Si.

Howard Stern: Si.

Male Voice: Let's dance.

Howard Stern: Let's dance to happy music.

Male Voice: Si.

Howard Stern: Big chubby girls in thongs. You know.

Male Voice: The water is dirty.

Howard Stern: The water is dirty. Our money means nothing on the open markets in Europe.

Male Voice: The government is corrupt. Let's dance.

Robin Quivers: (Laughing.)

Howard Stern: Let's dance to happy Madonna-like music. Let's dance and forget the people starving to death.

Male Voice: And eat spicy food.

Howard Stern: Let's eat spicy food.

Robin Quivers: Lets burn our brains out with the peppers.

Howard Stern: Yeah. Absolutely no feeling whatsoever.

Male Voice: Let's swim to Texas.

I'm certainly no fan of hers, but the glee with which the media has pointed out her (apparent) weight gain is just plain nasty. Sometimes I wonder about people.

That said, Howard Stern did hit the nail right on the head when he said he was amazed that she'd let herself go, as that was her one talent: being hot.