angel345 said:

yeah I love when movies are filmed in NYC cause I know my way around

Has anyone actually read this??? Makes you wonder what MJ has been upto You don't have to have vitiligo to these types of skin changing treatments. I find it odd that suddenly out of nowhere, Mike's face changed color and went to milky white in 1991, when he was a lot darker in the late 80s.


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suga10 said:

Notice it says experimenting not that it has been sucessfully done. I KNOW you can buy skin bleach. The point is there has never been any fully pigmented person to dipigmentize their entire body. It's just not possible, dipigmentization is intended for small patches of pigmentation, thats why doctors only recommend if the person is at least 60% percent white. That stuff is not designed to wipe out every trace of pigment in the skin. don't you realized that stuff is toxic? there no way ANYBODY could use enough to bleach a fully brown pigmented body white and live, it would kill them. yes i know people try to bleach there skin ( like my moms friend) but theres no way you could bleach every corner of your body white even if it didn't kill you.

Let me ask you something, Have you notice even mj's scalp is white? How did he get bleach on his scalp? did he part his hair and put it on like he was greasing his scalp. There's no way he could have gotten his scalp white without vitiligo and even more evidence of this is the fact that he was burned in that pepsi commercial I seriously doubt anybody would put skin bleach on their scalp if they had 2nd and 3rd degree burns. the wounds from his burns would have surely let in the toxic chemicals from the bleach into his bloodstream.
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read this

The histology of the skin after depigmentation with topical monobenzone is the same as that seen in vitiligo; the epidermis is normal except for the absence of identifiable melanocytes. Therefore, monobenzone is used as a topical medicine to permanently depigment normal skin surrounding vitiliginous lesions only in patients with disseminated (greater than 50 percent of body surface area) idiopathic vitiligo.




also you left this out from the article you posted

People using monobenzone without previously having vitiligo do so because standard products containing hydroquinone or other lightening agents are not effective for their skin and due to price and active ingredient strength. However, monobenzone is not recommended for skin conditions other than vitiligo.

Most skin-lightening treatments, which can reduce or block some amount of melanin production, are aimed at inhibiting tyrosinase. Many treatments use a combination of topical lotions or gels containing melanin-inhibiting ingredients along with a sunscreen, and a prescription retinoid. Depending on how the skin responds to these treatments, exfoliants — either in the form of topical cosmetic or chemical peels — and lasers may be used. [5]

Well I don't know if Mike has vitiligo for sure, but I heard he has some form of Lupus as well that has some affect on the skin too.

Here's an interesting article I found:

http://yourtotalhealth.iv...rders.html

People who battle debilitating autoimmune disorders such as lupus, thyroid disease and psoriasis may have the same gene that causes vitiligo, a skin disorder that causes pale patches of skin.

http://www.ehow.com/how_4...lupus.html
Eczema and Psoriasis. Overly dry, itchy and sensitive skin; skin that truly itches all day long. It’s so sensitive that the air from a fan, the tightness of socks, or a back rub irritates it. It makes it very hard to stay in the same position very long. Lupus is also linked to skin disorders such as Vitiligo where the pigment disappears from the skin.

Other interesting facts:

Trigger of vitiligo in Michael Jackson

http://www.michaelandviti...ckson.html

Michael Jackson's doctor had reason to believe that the 1984 fire burn contributed to triggering his vitiligo, since the condition can be triggered by adverse injury to the head. In some sufferers, it starts without any trigger, but in others, they may carry the hereditary vitiligo gene but it remains dormant unless it's triggered by stress.
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You know what Michael Jackson can burn in hell for all I care.

trueiopian said:

dude maybe you need to talk to someone if you have that much hate, remember hating people will most likely send YOU to hell

cdcgold said:

You know what anyone that supports a pedophile is damn to go straight to hell

Is his hand discolored??



What about this one- this is not some dodgy touched pic by the way.Its a concert photo.


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PurpleMedley122 said:

That first pic says it all. I was actually gonna post this video until I saw you already put it up.

suga10 said:

His hand doesn't look discoloured to me.
The second picture in concert, is more or less sweat and his makeup coming off due to sweat, there are no big white blotches.
The third picture where he is lying on the floor I can't see any signs of vitiligo at all.

And of course depigmentation is not recommended for people with no vitiligo but that doesn't stop people doing it. Too much plastic surgery is not recommended unless your a burns victim or so, but that didn't stop Michael going overboard did it?

You see I believe those brown blotches that we now see Michael with on his predominately white skin is a result of depigmentation. Depigmentation without having vitiligo would leave blotches and streaks of brown skin. And like any form of bleaching one needs to keep out of the sun, very similiar to vitiligo.

Also if one stops depigmentizing their skin the brown bits will begin to appear again, the problem is the skin will be very uneven, completely damage and look burnt. That's why most people who do go to the extreme with bleaching never stop and have a tendency of wearing thick, pale makeup because you can never get back your original skin tone the way it once was.
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trueiopian said:

Great screencap!

I'm 50/50 regarding whether he has it. At times, I do think he has it, at other times I don't think he did have it.

We might never know really. I wonder what Mike is thinking now days about what he's done to his body.

He even said on Good Morning America on his 50th Birthday, that he happiest time in his life occurred during the recording of the Thriller and Off the Wall albums . In other words- his black phase of his life was his happiest and his white phase wasn't. He never even bothered to mention, the Bad era, Dangerous Era, or History era.

You have to also wonder why the man has become so reclusive now, and barely comes out of his house Maybe he feels troubled by how he's looking now days in his own mirror.

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suga10 said:

I find this part extremely interesting, I mean what is described here goes far beyond the bleaching creams you get over the counter.

trueiopian said:

This statement would be more logical in a R.Kelly thread


....just putting it out there

bboy87 said:

These posters like to think they bother the MJ fans that post here.

In reality, they bother themselves.

They seek attention from MJ fans and get angry because they cannot change fan's minds.

My suggestion would be to pay the needy no mind.

At the end who gives a shit whether dude has vitiligo or not. Its like saying you can take the blackness off the guy's skin, but you can't take the blackness outta the man's heart










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suga10 said:

Is dude wearing ORANGE SHOES?!


aww hell naw!

suga10 said:

I remember in 1991,his own brother Jermaine released a song called "Word 2 The Bad",in which he sang the memorable line...

Once you were made,you changed your shade
Was your color wrong?

This is another reason why people are confused/conflicted over this.If Mike had vitiligo,why wouldn't his own brother know about it?

Before anyone gets pissed at me,let me remind you that I am giving Michael the benefit of the doubt.I've never said that he bleached his skin.I'm saying that I can understand why there is so much skeptism about it,and why so many people don't really believe him.

SoulAlive said:

Ahh but, didn't Randy say on a TV show after the Oprah interview "I'm glad he spoke about his skin disease because I knew he always had this problem".

Michael did de-pigment. Arnold Klein supposedly testified about it in a 1993/4 grand jury hearing. His mother Katherine also said "His face is white because he has had this disease, and instead of having it spotted like a cow or something like that he just decided to just do the whole thing, because he could afford to do it."

But as mentioned in this thread, it wouldn't have been recommended unless his body was a certain percentage affected. I have no doubt he has it- you can still see patches on his hands and face in recent pics, possibly as a result of the skin randomly re-pigmenting itself as it supposedly does with vitiligo.

Anyways, I think the reason some people fail to understand that he would have it is because he hid it well. With a crapload of makeup. For years.

The reason so many people don't believe the vitiligo story is because he's done so many other things to alter his appearance.These people look at his lightened skin,roll their eyes and think "that was the next logical step" in changing his look completely...."mission accomplished".

It might be unfair,but that's the way it is.

SoulAlive said:

I guess so. But I see people posting in this thread saying he was dark and then all of a sudden he was white OR that he lightened so evenly. The answer to those is de-pigmentation and makeup. so yeah.

But I understand what you're saying.

SoulAlive said:

Don't forget the white children either. Three children who don't look at all black. What an amazing coincidence.

although I believe he has it, I now can believe why others don't believe it cause of all those other things. And I'm tired of making excuses about the kids, and the other changing features.

Yeah but don't forget MJ is known to be more closer to his Mom, Janet, Randy, compared to the other siblings. Probably Tito also since he tends to know more about what MJ is doing now days, in comparison to the others Jackson brothers. I don't think Jermaine and MJ are that close to one another.

Now its possible that he might have hid the condition well throughout the years with a ton of makeup. This is exactly what the makeup artist he had was saying on the Mj rebuttal show. She said they were always trying to cover it well.

Oh yeah and why would Donny Osmond say on some show that he went to MJ's House, and saw his skin disease many many years ago??? He also told the audience that his comments were not speculation or anything. Its not like Donny has anything to gain from defending MJ.
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suga10 said:

many many years ago can mean anything, and it does not equate to being in the 70's or early 80's necessarily. People these days think many years ago is 2 or 3 years ago....

whatsgoingon said:

you keep saying this OVER and OVER but you STILL fail to provide evidence of these people who do it. You know what i'm starting to believe you don't think vitiligo is a disease at all, there no reason why you would say mj doesn't have it when his skin looks just like those peoples skin in the pictures I posted. thats the only explanation i can come up with for why you refuse to give me some proof of another person turning white. Yeah he had so surgery SO WHAT thats has nothing to do with his skin, if he didn't have vitiligo his skin would be brown. People make me sick always thinking non white people want to be white so bad. White people are not the ONLY race that has thin noses. There are some africans that have "white" features but they are still black


[quote]Depigmentation without having vitiligo would leave blotches and streaks of brown skin.


how do you know this? show me a picture of this. Oh wait you Can't because the only people with mostly white skin and brown spots are people with vitiligo





so I guess all these people are people who don't have vitiligo but just decided to depigmentate.

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whatsgoingon said:

you keep saying this OVER and OVER but you STILL fail to provide evidence of these people who do it. You know what i'm starting to believe you don't think vitiligo is a disease at all, there no reason why you would say mj doesn't have it when his skin looks just like those peoples skin in the pictures I posted. thats the only explanation i can come up with for why you refuse to give me some proof of another person turning white. Yeah he had so surgery SO WHAT thats has nothing to do with his skin, if he didn't have vitiligo his skin would be brown. People make me sick always thinking non white people want to be white so bad. White people are not the ONLY race that has thin noses. There are some africans that have "white" features but they are still black



No disrespect, but here's what I see right now If folks are not convinced, let them stay that way. Have a nice day.

Okay so why is he so pale here? This is in 1984 during Victory tour



That doesn't look like normal stage makeup.

And look it at his face here.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...0IweJ0g39I

This photo is from the same time as We are the World


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