Marrk said:

You don't think some here haven't already done that?

Cloudbuster said:

Posting pictures is useless especially when you deal with ignorance mentality,they choose Not to believe when the proof is in fornt of their eyes, How ignorance and Dumb.

when you confronted them by posting pictures that speak for themsleves they started talking about his surgries , They don't WANT to believe , they believe he bleached his skin which is a joke, only an ignorant fool would think that bleaching your skin would turn you from black to white.

Ignorance bliss.

seeingvoices12 said:

I'd say leave the naysayers alone, even the ones that think ALL MJ fans are loony.

angel345 said:

First of all Im not hassling or stalking them to leave them alone, I try to avoid them as much as possible, but they need to stop coming here debating with something that so stupid , trying to convince people with something that is really idiotic that Mj bleached his skin, skin bleaching doesn't turn you from black to white.

If they believe that Mj bleached his skin then thats their opinion and they should keep it to themselves because what they are saying is medically wrong ans stupid.

Don't debate about something unless you have a full knowledge it, thats my point.

seeingvoices12 said:

I understand, but what I am saying is subjectivity is not going away and people are going to voice their opinions. If you provide the obvious facts and people don't buy it, then its best to leave them alone because it is nothing you can say or do to change their minds. Not just you, anyone here who is supplying proof. I see now they're going to criticize the man till the day he leaves this earth. Also, this all MJ fans are loony is lame and of poor judgement. Some of us know when to cross the line. Again, I avoid it.
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Better words could have not been said, what you're gonna gain from a discussion with someone that doesn't believe you? You're only gonna cause more confusion and conflict, you don't want that. We've been dealing with many things in 20 years, shit is not gonna change anytime soon so stop hoping they would "see the light" and just carry on. Post some music and see if we'll post on it rather than another discussion about a musician's face or behavior.

bboy87 said:

One day SoulAlive's gonna get out of dat dere denial and embrace the love of White Fever

Timmy84 said:

you are right, but i will say this Mj probably went crazy because he has Body Dysmorphic Disorder, and having vitiligo probably really made it worse


http://www.ncpamd.com/bod...sorder.htm

Body Dysmorphic Disorder, (BDD) is listed in the DSM-IV under somatization disorders, but clinically, it seems to have similarities to Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD).

BDD is a preoccupation with an imagined physical defect in appearance or a vastly exaggerated concern about a minimal defect. The preoccupation must cause significant impairment in the individual’s life. The individual thinks about his or her defect for at least an hour per day.

The individual’s obsessive concern most often is concerned with facial features, hair or odor. The disorder often begins in adolescence, becomes chronic and leads to a great deal of internal suffering.

The person may fear ridicule in social situations, and may consult many dermatologists or plastic surgeons and undergo painful or risky procedures to try to change the perceived defect. The medical procedures rarely produce relief. Indeed they often lead to a worsening of symptoms. BDD may limit friendships. Obsessive ruminations about appearance may make it difficult to concentrate on schoolwork.

Other behaviors that may be associated with BDD

* Frequent glancing in reflective surfaces
* Skin picking
* Avoiding mirrors
* Repeatedly measuring or palpating the defect
* Repeated requests for reassurance about the defect.
* Elaborate grooming rituals.
* Camouflaging some aspect of one’s appearance with one’s hand, a hat, or makeup.
* Repeated touching of the defect
* Avoiding social situations where the defect might be seen by others.
* Anxiety when with other people.

BDD tends to be chronic and can lead to social isolation, school dropout major depression, unnecessary surgery and even suicide.

It is often associated with social phobia and OCD, and delusional disorder. Chronic BDD can lead to major depressive disorder. If it is associated with delusions, it is reclassified as Delusional disorder, somatic subtype. Bromosis (excessive concerns about body odor) or Parasitosis (concern that one is infested by parasites) can classically be associated with delusions.

Other conditions that might be confused with BDD: Neglect caused by a parietal lobe brain lesion; anorexia nervosa, gender identity disorder.

Milder body image disturbances that do not meet criteria for BDD. :

* Benign dissatisfaction with one’s looks. This does not affect the person’s quality of life. 30-40% of Americans may have these feelings.
* Moderate disturbance with one’s body image. The person’s concerns about appearance cause some intermittent anxiety or depression.

Treatment: It is at times difficult to get an individual with BDD into psychiatric treatment because he or she may insist that the disorder has a physical origin. We prefer that the referring physician call us in advance so that we can strategize on how best to encourage the individual to accept help. Treatment often involves the use of SSRI medications (such as sertraline or fluoxetine) and cognitive-behavioral psychotherapy. In this type of psychotherapy the therapist helps the affected individual resist the compulsions associated with the BDD such as repeatedly looking in mirrors or excessive grooming (response prevention) If the individual avoids certain situations because of fear of ridicule, he or she should be encouraged to gradually and progressively face feared situations. If the individual plans to seek invasive medical/surgical treatment, the therapist should attempt to dissuade the patient or ask permission to talk with the surgeon. The therapist helps the individual to understand how some of his or her thoughts and perceptions are distorted and helps the patient replace these perceptions with more realistic ones. Family behavioral treatment can be useful, especially if the affected individual is an adolescent. Support groups if available, can help.

For more information, read The Broken Mirror or Learning to Live with Body Dysmorphic Disorder by Katharine Phillips, M.D.

i'll also say i don't think he wanted to be white ( if he doesn't have BDD). Just beacuse he didn't like the way he looked doesn't mean he doesn't like the way ALL black people look, plus I think alot of people are forgetting Joe jackson used to tell him he was ugly and had a big nose when he was a Teenager. Teenagers are already insecure enough about their looks so you can imagine what that probably did to him. If you tell someone they are ugly long enough eventually they will start to believe it.

If he doesn't have Bdd I think he wanted to look like a black person with a thinner nose. Or maybe he was going for an East indian look. Think about it If he didn't have vitiligo he would have brown skin, big brown eyes, straight black hair, and a thin nose. He would look similar to an east indian( and remember some africans have these features) But he doesn't have a problem with dark skin. he even said when talking about East indian people " the darker they are the more beautiful"

cdcgold said:

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http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related \


look from about 4:00-4:30 he says dark skin is more beautiful

But seriously he has BDD

Cloudbuster said:

in the above pic, you can clearly see the blotches of vitiligo on his arm there.
if anybody thinks those are not vitiligo blotches, they need to go jump off a clip, because only someone in denial would think that.

the man might be a freak and an eccentric, but I highly doubt he "wanted" to be white.
Sure, the nose job didn't help matters. But plenty of people have got nose jobs.

Seriously, some people need help here!

bboy87 said:

BAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAA!

seeingvoices12 said:

"That's ignorant!"

Axchi696 said:

"Look at me, I'm Peter Pan, SHA SHAMONA! I'm a little boy forever!"

Lord Jesus Mary and Joseph not this shit again.

I love that south park episode

novabrkr said:

Though Halle is light-skinned, she's not pale as shown and Courtney is fair, but she looks ghostly here. So it is possible that between the make-up and contrast, MJ is not that ghostly. When I saw him briefly in the late 80's in NY, and had no idea that he was in town at all, he was doing a video shoot in the subway and they blocked everything until he and his bodyguards left the premises. He had a very nice golden-coppery complexion and maybe a few shades darker than the "Bad" album cover. If Karen Faye did his make-up, it was a good job.

End of thread.

PurpleMedley122 said:

I'm still convinced, but just wanted to comment on what I saw, though it should be a dead issue.
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Look at these recent pictures of MJ checking into a skin clinic. Does he look a bit dark to you?

angel345 said:

which subway was it? Penn station?

DarlingDiana said:

Probably he is going for his monthly depigmentation treatmeants. I guess he needs top ups now and again to keep him looking white!
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Does anyone hate themselves more?

I know he's always worn disguises like that, but lately when he's been doing it, he looks really sick, like sick in the head too.

Graycap23 said:

alphastreet said:

A Brooklyn station named Hoyt-Schemerhorn. Numerous celebrities till this day does music, movie, or tv shoots in Brooklyn. They shoot in other boroughs as well.

He has vitiligo.

Not my issue.

whatsgoingon said:

Pathetic