Timmy84 said:

Mike has said himself that his condition worsened dramatically in 1990 and again in 1996.

Ooh look, it's 1996...


.
[Edited 1/30/09 10:25am]

Cloudbuster said:

Some blacks feel like there is an advantage to being light skinned,and not having "black" features.Michael fell into this trap a long time ago.That's why his children don't really look "black",either.

While I believe that he truly has vitiligo,I'm not convinced that he has a problem with being light-skinned.

Cloudbuster said:

Can you at least think about what I said? I know you love Michael,but how can you deny what I'm saying?

SoulAlive said:

Can you at least consider the fact that not everyone has to agree with you?

If Mike is so desperate to escape being black then why does his work still consist of predominantly black musical forms and why does he continue to work with other black artists and producers?

Why has he been so generous to underprivileged black children and given millions to help further black causes?

Oh yeah, 'cos he wants to be white.

Cloudbuster said:

If there was a new cure for vitiligo which would turn the person back to their original color,do you think Michael would do it?

SoulAlive said:

Cloudbuster said:

Where did I say that everyone has to agree with me? If you don't agree,that's fine.Stop taking this so seriously.



Because R&B and hip-hop are the most popular musical forms in America right now and we all know how he feels about record sales.



What does this have to do with anything? It still doesn't change the fact that he altered his appearance (drastically),eliminated his black features,got married twice (both times to white women),and has three children with virtually no black features at all.Are you gonna tell me that all of these things are just a coincidence?





I don't know if he "wants to be white" but I do know that he has done everything in his power to NOT look black.

Cloudbuster said:

I'll answer the question for you: NO,he wouldn't.

SoulAlive said:

Right. Instead he chose to look like this:



'Cos, you know, it's a damned cool way to look.

You know what,I'm not gonna argue with you anymore.Believe what you want.I'm done with this thread.Have a nice day!

how come no fans are answering about being darker than the bad era in 1991 for a bit and then boom, milk-white!

SoulAlive said:

You know YOU wanna be white too!

midnightmover said:

actually, lupus is autoimmune & vitiligo is assumed to be too. thus, there is a link. I am not certain if there are types of acne that are autoimmune in nature.

luckybullet said:

You misread the post. I was saying there is no link between acne and either of the other two diseases. But since you've decided to suggest a link bewtween those other two, I will say that there is no evidence of that. There are statistics about these things so it would be easy to measure if there were disproportionate numbers of vitiligo sufferers who also had lupus.

i think mike should just make-up his face brown again for all future projects- ya know an ode to the new President- maybe then all us black fans will quit it out

^ before Invincible was released, I remember a photoshoot around millenium time and all these people were saying he looks so good, and I couldn't help but wonder if he "turned black" again or something

Can't he get spray on tan or a better makeup job so he doesn't look milk white but not all the way dark either since it's not possible? Just that tan shade from the late 80's and early 90's?

^ You really thought that?

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

well I didn't go on fan forums that time though I would occasionally visit mjifc and some of them were saying shit like that too

alphastreet said:

I see...

I think i was just stuck in the past or something back then and maybe a part of me still is

I don't expect him to look like that now, but then again he is mj, VERY unpredictable

midnightmover said:

Rare, but possible, according to statistics. Is that what you're saying?

Interesting (though this has nothing to do with music)

I never knew that that was what vitiligo was. I just assumed that was a pigmentation issue like a birthmark that a person was born with, and didn't change over their lifetimes.

Cloudbuster said:

The stuff that he has to endure, many of us would hang ourselves.

alphastreet said:

I've commented on this same ridiculous issue before and I will comment again for your pleasure.

I would argue that the white make-up hides more effectively his disfigurations that have resulted from plastic surgery. He always appears in very pale make-up for public events - award shows and so on, but in the videos and in the (now rarer and rarer) promotional photographs he has a more normal skin tone. Of course, when he is photographed at public events he will not get to choose the ones from the pictures that he'd like the most himself. I think it's done to minimize the amount of those very unflattering shots of him that there exist enough already. Sometimes it seems like the magazines would on purpose choose the most terrible one to be printed, just for shock value.

You can do the same at home. Take a picture of yourself and use an image manipulation program to increase brightness and contrast. The inconsistencies of your face disappear rather effectively, it's just that it can be done also pre-emptively to acertain degree by just using make-up. It's not really that odd though, most older celebrity women (white) do the same to either hide their marks from plastic surgery or simply some of the marks inevitably resulting from age. It is also the case that the pictures of beautiful women are overcontrasted to the max for commercial purposes (and we all know what Michael have wanted to look like since the late-80s). At least this was rather common in the 90s, albeit the times have changed a bit in this respect.



... and there you have it.

alphastreet said:

maybe because makeup isn't permanant and he might have worn a little darker makeup for a while.

SoulAlive said:

yeah cause you're god almightly and you know everything

SoulAlive said:

it has nothing to do with believing what you want it has to do with being logical. The ONLY brown skinned people who have ever turned white are people with vitiligo.Thats a FACT. If this depigmentation could be done on a fully pigmented person how come no ones ever done it, there are plenty of rich self hating black people( and no i'm not including mj)

Man, alot of this thread is just plain disheartening. Whatever happened taking a man for his word?

Some of you detractors come across as damn plain evil and stupid. Hoping for the worst in the man. Can i suggest you point that anger to something actually proven evil and stupid?

Like each other?