trueiopian said:

He has MENTALigo

angel345 said:

I don't think those pictures are convincing. The first pix was of the early 80s, in the very same concert you see other pixs of Michael and there is no uneven skin, the pix is as dodgy as hell.

The other pixs are of when MJ looked mostly white any way, the brown blotches that you see on mostly white skin could be the affect effects of someone who was intentionally depigmentizing his skin. Show us a convincing pix where he is still predominately black i.e 80% black but he has white blotches on his hands or other areas of his body. Infact one of the places vitiligo becomes the most obvious especially in the early stages of is on the hands. Lets see some pixs of Michael through out the 80s with discoloured hands?..
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whatsgoingon said:

You sure? I swore I saw another one where a white line of blotch was seen on his elbow or arm or something.

whatsgoingon said:

I agree.....

whatsgoingon said:

My word, it seems like some of you morons are still clutching at straws trying to deny what is fucking obviously true. Michael Jackson has Vitiligo, which he himself confirmed in the "living with michael jackson" documentary.

if you were that bothered by the "authenticity" of his vitiligo, you should go and get some high quality images of him from 1985 until present, and you can clearly see in many pictures, the blotches of Vitiligo are present.

Only a moron would keep banging on about "why did his skin get gradually lighter"?

Its pretty obvious.

For starters, during the start of his color loss, he used dark makeup.
As he lost more of color from his face and body, he started using lighter makeup.

There! wasn't so hard now was it?!

You would have to be mentally disturbed and in denial to argue that Michael Jackson does not have Vitiligo.

Even a blind person could see that he has got Vitiligo.

Do you think he wears an Umbrella in the sun for fun?!

bloody morons!

Just because he hacked of his nose, doesn't mean he does not have Vitiligo.

Seriously, some people here are strange!
The guy might be a nutcase, but he is not a moron!

whatsgoingon said:

Since I joined this board I decided to avoid as much as possible threads about MJ's personal life, i would rather talk about the mans music because Mj is alot of things but with all my respect its really sad that sometimes we have to deal with such ignorance mentality, and the ignorance of some people on this board is really bewildering concerning Mj's medical condition, the idea of MJ bleaching his skin needs to come out of your heads, There is NO, operations, pills,tablets, creams or anything that could turn your skin from black to white ,plain and simple,its no sicencerocket , there is no such a thing, Its impossible.....deal with it.

And let me remind you that Mj is a poplaur pop icon ,its really would be hard and impossible for him to come out with No make-up to convince you that he has the disease especially when he was at his peak as an artist , as you can see from the first picture posted by Cloudbuster you can clearly see the blotches on his skin, forget about the TDCAU video pics, look at Mj's leg on the fifth picture, its pretty obvious,insisting that Mj doesn't have the disease after all those pictures posted is really silly and stupid , if you still don't believe Mj has the disease then you need to keep your opinions to yourselfs but don't keep posting that he doesn't have it when there are many things prove otherwise....

If mj doesn't have vitiligo then I don't know what the hell he has, don't tell me its bleaching, bleaching would never turn your skin like this...FACT

dirtyman2005 said:

If it was that obvious he had vitiligo from the beginning people wouldn't have wondered so much in the first place. The reason why people are convincing themselves that he has vitiligo is because he himself mentioned it in 93, and that was after years of everyone wandering why he went from a toffee colour to a caramel complexion to biege to snow-white. Now that's what happens when you bleach or depigmentize your skin. You don't go from one shade to another shade so gradually and evenly with vitiligo.

whatsgoingon said:

GOD.....

Sir, vitligo doesn't need your permission when it attacks your pigmentation cells, get it, it could attack you at any age.
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shorttrini said:

Retouched?

whatsgoingon said:[quote]

cdcgold said:

His face was pink beacause he has discoid lupus also confirmed in courts and he DID wear brown makeup, plus i already established that they make WATER/SWEAT proof makeup, most of the dermablend cosmetic products are water and sweat proof

Again from the floacist website

http://floacist.wordpress...l-jackson/


Courtesy of Steady-Laughing.com

Vitiligo / Michael’s Skin Condition

On February 10, 1993, Michael Jackson gave the world an explanation for the whiteness of his skin in an exclusive interview he did with Oprah Winfrey.

Michael : Number one, as I know of, there is no such thing as skin bleaching, I have never seen it, I don’t know what it is.

Oprah : Well they used to have those products, I remember growing up always hearing always use bleach and glow, but you have to have about 300,000
gallons.

Michael : Okay, but number one, this is the situation. I have a skin disorder that destroys the pigmentation of the skin, it’s something that I cannot help. Okay. But when people make up stories that I don’t want to be who I
am it hurts me.

Oprah : So it is…

Michael : It’s a problem for me that I can’t control, but what about all the millions of people who sits out in the sun, to become darker, to become other than what they are, no one says nothing about that.

Oprah : So when did this start, when did your … when did the color of your skin start to change?

Michael : Oh boy, I don’t … sometime after Thriller, around Off the Wall, Thriller, around sometime then.

Oprah : But what did you think?

Michael : It’s in my family, my father said it’s on his side. I can’t control it, I don’t understand, I mean, it makes me very sad. I don’t want to go into my medical history because that is private, but that’s the situation here.

Oprah : So okay, I just want to get this straight, you are not taking anything to change the color of your skin …

Michael : Oh, God no, we tried to control it and using make-up evens it out because it makes blotches on my skin, I have to even out my skin. But you know what’s funny, why is that so important? That’s not important to me. I’m a great fan of art, I love Michelangelo, if I had the chance to talk to him or read about him I would want to know what inspired him to become who he is, the anatomy of his craftsmanship, not about who he went out with last night … what’ wrong with … I mean that’s what is important to me.

Since Michael has stated he has this skin disorder many people have heard of it, but not many people really understand what it is, so that casts doubt on Michael when he says he suffers from it. Michael has and shows all the symptoms of a person with this disease. So you first have to understand what this disease is.

What is Vitiligo?
Vitiligo is a relatively common skin disorder, in which white spots or patches appear on the skin. These spots are caused by destruction or weakening of the pigment cells in those areas, resulting in the pigment being destroyed or no longer produced. In most cases, vitiligo is believed to be an autoimmune-related disorder. Although researchers are not exactly sure what causes the autoimmune response, more is being learned every year. In vitiligo, only the color of the skin is affected. The texture and other skin qualities remain normal.

What are the symptoms of Vitiligo?
People who develop vitiligo usually first notice white patches or spots (depigmentation) on their skin. The skin remains of normal texture, and there is usually no itching or other symptoms. These patches are more obvious in sun-exposed areas, including the hands, feet, arms, legs, face, and lips. Other common areas for white patches to appear are the armpits and groin and around the mouth, eyes, nostrils, navel, and genitals. Vitiligo generally appears in one of three patterns. In one pattern (focal pattern), the depigmentation is limited to one or only a few areas. Some people develop depigmented patches on only one side of their bodies (segmental vitiligo). But for most people who have vitiligo, depigmentation occurs on different parts of the body (generalized vitiligo), often similar on each side of the body. In addition to white patches on the skin, some people with vitiligo may experience white hair growing in on the scalp, eyelashes, eyebrows, and beard. In extremely rare cases, vitiligo can affect eye color or the pigment of the retina.

Does genetics play a role?
Most people with vitiligo have neither parents, nor children, nor siblings with vitiligo. Many have no other relatives with vitiligo. Vitiligo does appear to be hereditary, that is, it can run in families. Children whose parents have the disorder are more likely to develop vitiligo. There is no question about that. However, most children will not get vitiligo even if a parent has it, and most people with vitiligo do not have a family history of the disorder. So the chances of your child developing vitiligo appear to be very small. Nevertheless, there are sufficient numbers of families where vitiligo does appear among siblings, parents and children, such that we can assume a genetic factor.

How does Vitiligo Develop?
The beginning of Vitiligo and the severity of pigment loss differs with each patient. Light skinned people usually notice the pigment loss during the summer as the contrast between the vitiliginous skin and the suntanned skin becomes distinct. People with dark skin may observe the onset of Vitiligo at any time. Individuals who have severe cases will lose pigment over their entire body surface. There is no way to predict how much pigment an individual will lose, Illness and stress can result in more pigment loss. The degree of pigment loss can also vary within each Vitiligo patch, and a border of abnormally dark skin may encircle a patch of depigmented skin.

Vitiligo frequently begins with a rapid loss of pigment which may be followed by a lengthy period when the skin color does not change. Later, the pigment loss may resume — perhaps after the individual has suffered physical trauma or stress. The loss of color may continue until, for unknown reasons, the process stops. Cycles of pigment loss, followed by periods of stability may continue indefinitely. It is rare for a patient with Vitiligo to repigment or regain skin color spontaneously. Most patients who say that they no longer have Vitiligo may actually have become depigmented and are no longer bothered by contrasting skin color. While such patients appear to be “cured”, they really are not. People who have Vitiligo all over their bodies do not look like albinos because the color of their hair may not change — or it can be dyed — and eye color does not change.

Emotional Impact
Most individuals with Vitiligo are upset because of the uneven skin color. It is difficult for those who do not have Vitiligo to appreciate the significance of this problem to the victim.

Depigmentation Therapy
If a person has Vitiligo over more than half of the exposed areas of the body, he or she is not a candidate for repigmentation. Rather, such a person may want to try depigmentation of the remaining pigmented skin. The drug for depigmentation is monobenzylether of hydroquinone. Many patients with Vitiligo are at first apprehensive about the idea of depigmentation and reluctant to go ahead. However, patients who achieve complete depigmentation are usually satisfied with the end results. Some people become allergic to the medication and must discontinue therapy. This therapy takes about a year to complete. The pigment removal is permanent.

Sensitivity to the sun
Patches of vitiligo skin have no natural protection against the sun’s rays. This is because vitiligo skin is white as the melanocytes which produce melanin (skin pigment) are not active. The effect of the sun is normally to increase melanin production and to turn the skin brown; this is a protective mechanism to prevent the skin from being damaged by burning. Therefore, the most important reason for protecting your skin is to prevent sunburn. Not only is this painful, but damage to the skin, including sunburn, can stimulate the vitiligo to spread in some people. As vitiligo skin is particularly vulnerable to sunlight and needs protection, some brands of sunblock are classified by the NHS (The British National Health Service) as borderline substances which means they can be obtained on prescription from your doctor.

Michael says he was first diagnosed at the earliest, during the time he released his ‘Off the Wall’ album. We can assume that maybe it started before he actually released the album in stores, which was in the mid 70s. Treatments were still being developed and the awareness of the disease was not there. So naturally, the only solution for Michael then was to cover it up using cosmetics. I’ve heard people ask ‘So why didn’t he try to regain his color’ making it seem as if he was desperate to just depigment his skin of its natural color. Michael covered it with darker makeup I’m sure, for as long as he could.

If you look at the pictures, you will see that his face is obviously covered with cosmetics. The unevenness of it is there. So you can see that when it did start, he did try concealing it, obviously no one knew about it until he was visibly a shade lighter. Click on the second picture to get a better look. Compare Emmanuel to Michael, you’ll see that he’s probably wearing heavy facial makeup.

As you’ve read the process of this disease can be gradual and slow. As time goes on, his skin color becomes even more uneven, and his cheeks begin to always seem to have a red tint to them. (Due to Discoid Lupus) You’ll see it all over his face and even his neck. Same with the lip color, it started as a way to conceal the discoloration on his lips, if you’ll notice the discoloration on the outline of the lips in the first picture, and some discoloration on his nose in others. Michael’s makeup artist for over 20 years, Karen Faye comments:

“It started happening relatively early, he even was trying to hide it from me..he tried to hide it for quite awhile. He’d always try to cover it with makeup and even out his skin tone until it got so extensive. It’s all over his body. We were always trying to hide it and cover it for the longest time until he just had to tell Oprah and tell the world, ‘Listen I’m not trying to be white, I have a skin disease.’ In the beginning I tried to cover the light spots to match the darker part of his skin, but then it became so extensive that we had to go with the lighter part of his skin because his whole body was reacting…he’d have to be in complete full body makeup, every inch of his body. So it was easier to make the transition to him being to the lighter shade that he is.”

No one can deny, after looking at these pictures, the fact that during this period of time, around the time of his Thriller release, Michael’s face was seriously uneven in color. When you bleach your skin, you apply the bleaching agent evenly, it would not create spotting. These pictures are just some of the many pictures that show evidence of uneven skin. Initially, Michael’s skin was very even as you will see in the comparison below.

Moving on, how many times have you seen Michael Jackson revealing his arms and legs? Rarely. Take his tour costumes for example. If you compare their Victory Tour to the Triumph Tour, you’ll see the difference in what he wore.

There were times even then that Michael would show his chest or arms, perhaps these were areas that hadn’t been affected at the time. You will see him appear in some of his later videos revealing these areas, this is possible because of makeup, or they were during times when his skin was even. When we see pictures of Michael now, he is almost always covered from head to toe, it is very rare that you will see any candid picture of Michael when he’s not performing or shooting some kind of video, where any part of his body, besides his head and hands are exposed. Most of all of his infamous outfits are made to cover his entire body. There probably is a reason for that.

Time goes on and Michael gets lighter and lighter until he is eventually just literally WHITE, at least in comparison to other people. Had he been bleaching his skin from the start, Michael would never have been spotting. Michael went through depigmentation therapy, which is what someone might opt to do when the discolorations have covered most of the body and the use of makeup to hide the difference in color becomes an inconvenience. That’s why you will notice during around 1986 Michael was lighter, but not as white as he appears now. In Michael’s case, since he was always in the public eye, constantly being photographed, it would be quite embarrassing to show up to events and perform while your skin is spotted with two different colors. Katherine Jackson, Michael’s mother tells us:

“His face is white because he has had this disease, and instead of having it spotted like a cow or something like that he just decided to just do the whole thing, because he could afford to do it.”

Covering it up with makeup was only effective for awhile. As it gets worse, you have to apply more, as his make up artist stated, wearing full bodied makeup would be very hard. The depigmentation process takes awhile to complete and it is permanent. The medication monobenzylether of hydroquinone is used to do this and is very strong, it is only prescribed to vitiligo patients. People that bleach their skin to remove scars and minor discolorations use creams with only hydroquinone, which is reversible and not permanent. This is why when you buy bleaching creams at the store, it will always tell you that the pigmentation you wanted to get rid of may reappear.

I have yet to see or hear about anyone else that has gone through a drastic change in skin color by just bleaching their skin with regular products. I know of people bleaching their skin, but if you pay them any real attention you will notice the inconsistencies, they get darker then they get lighter again, this because of what was mentioned before, hydroquinone is not permanent. Also, getting your hands on monobenzylether of hydroquinone is not easy. So I don’t want to hear the excuse that he just somehow got his hands on it. You have to be prescribed something like that from a dermatologist. Like I’ve said before, people that bleach their skin do not spot. People with vitiligo have gotten to the point where their pigment has been totally stripped from all of the their body, they are typically snow white in color. Michael Jackson is very pale, even in comparison to white people. The only cases of such a drastic change in skin color that I’ve seen or read about are with vitiligo patients.

People with vitiligo become very sensitive to the sun, because the natural protection that your skin has from the sun gets stripped away along with the pigmentation. If you go through depigmentation therapy the sensitivity of your skin to the sun becomes even worse. This is why when Michael is outside, most of the time you will see him shielding himself from the sun with either his hand or an umbrella. A lot of people don’t understand why he is with an umbrella all the time, this is the only reason.

Even now you will see brown spots on various parts of Michael’s body, his arms and hands for example. Sometimes they are there and then sometimes they aren’t, which can be due to makeup or spontaneous repigmentation as mentioned before. Michael Jackson has vitiligo and that is the truth. People have used all kinds of things to dispute this, whether it be the ethnicity of the women he’s dated or the plastic surgery he’s gotten. It’s become a situation where he’s been forced to defend the fact that he is an African American, the fact that he’s not ashamed of who and what he is. Michael grew up idolizing black musicians, he did all the ‘black’ trends. From the music, to the hair styles and such. Michael had his greatest success when he was still visibly black…there was and is no reason for him to have desired to change his color. This is something that his family has backed him on for many years, even by his stern father who would probably never defend any of his children, had they ever bleached their skin. It has been said by Michael and by his sister Janet Jackson, that he isn’t the only one in the family to have it. This doesn’t mean that his sisters or brothers have to have it, it could have been a distant relative. Did you know that stress or traumatic events could trigger vitiligo if you are already susceptible to it genetically? Michael had it the hardest growing up, and even after he reached fame, who’s to say all of that didn’t trigger it?

Most of the people that suffer from this disease have a hard time with people either not believing them about their condition or just people giving them a hard time about it, especially when they are African American. It can be a very hard thing to deal with, could you imagine someone harassing you about something that you can’t help?

Sources: National Vitiligo Foundation, Vitiligo Support
View more vitiligo photos here: Part One, Part Two, Part Three, Part Four.

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whatsgoingon said:

whatever believe what you want you wanted proof you got proof and you are still throwing out bull crap excuses. just admit you want to believe he bleached skin because that would give you a valid reason for hating him


http://www.jackson.ch/And...iligo2.jpg

this man's skin is mostly white with a few brown blotches so i guess he was intentionally depigmentizing his skin too. and before you say i can see he covered his kin in brown makeup i'm sure you are going to say mj wants to be white because he does not do what this man did, but think about it, can you imagine how long it must have taken for this man to put on all that makeup? it would have been easier,more practical and less expensive in the long run to cover the few brown patches with a lighter makeup


By the way I am STILL waiting for SOMEONE to show me a valid picture of a "skin bleacher" who went from brown to white. ANYBODY? NO ONE has a picture? I didn't think so.


where are all these people who managed to scam the American medical industry and depigment their skin with out vitiligo whatsgoingon since you seemed to have witnessed someone how did this, your words "effects of someone who was intentionally depigmentizing his skin" i would love to see a picture of them.

cdcgold said:

I do notice that MJ is paler than most white people and I believe that if he can control it, he would. I don't believe that the whitest of the whitest white person would want to be so pale. Go to any beach and pool in America, and they're the first ones there from 11 am to 5 pm where the sun is at its strongest. It's true.

I think he has it, but I also believe he used it to his advantage. And I also don't believe that anyone else with vitiligo had hair that magically got straighter or a nose that got smaller.


what do you think of how suddenly in 1990 and 1991 his skin got darker again and then with Dangerous, it got very very light and the nose got smaller

alphastreet said:

This is exactly the point I was trying to make.The reason why so many people don't believe he has vitiligo is because he has done so many other things to alter his appearance! He has gotten rid of his African American features,so lightening his skin would be the next step.I'm not saying that I agree with this...I'm just trying to explain why there is so much skeptism about his skin condition.

SoulAlive said:

Yeah, he changed so quickly... MJ looked very different in 1991 than he did in 1992... even when MJ said he had the skin condition in '93, there's a good number of people who won't believe it mainly for that reason. I remember this because that's when comics started asking "how can you go from being a poor black boy to a rich white woman?"

I believe he used depigmentation, one can do that if 50% of their body is depigimented. I still think he has it, but has been so stupid about the other things that I can see why it's fun to joke about though at the same time it must be emotionally hard to deal with a condition like that.

Just look at him in 1991 with Madonna at the awards and then how he looked on Oprah in 1993. Though I thought he was pretty in black or white and remember the time back then, I thought he looked too much like boy george in 1993 in the Oprah interview, and couldn't figure out what happened and how. I couldn't stare at him for years and even when I became a huuuuge fan in 1995 and after, it was hard to look at him in the 90's though I loved looking at him in the 80's, Thriller & Bad era. But now it's not so bad looking at him in the 90's when he looks the way he does now, and maybe going on boards got me used to it, but I saw YRMW today after so many years and it's still very hard to look at him in those videos. I can't help but now think of all the crap that has happened, or cringe at trying too hard to like the girl in the video, and think of Thriller & Bad clips instead, and the little talented boy in the 70's and be like WHOA!

I also agree that he has used it to his advantage.If there was a new cure for vitiligio...some pill that you take which would return you back to your "normal" color,how many of you think Michael would take it?

SoulAlive said:

It would be nice if MJ did sponsor for a cure of some sort for vitiligo but I guess he's part of that "if it ain't broke, why fix it?" crowd. Technically though he'll stay black, lol.

seeingvoices12 said:

bboy87 said:

bboy87 said:

SoulAlive said:

He wouldn't

alphastreet said:

oh please i agree theres no way to defend the surgeries but blasting him for his HAIR? when 80-90% of black women straighten their there hair? when james brown , al sharpton,snoop dog,and so many others including PRINCE straighten their hair that's hypocritical

To me Jacko's skin is a result of both vitiligo and surgery.

cdcgold said:

I doubt that's his real hair... I mean when you have vitiligo, doesn't blotches get to the top of your head (plus let's not forget the 1984 explosion). He's been wearing lacefronts for a good minute, lol.

cdcgold said:

I don't hate Michael but I am disappointed in him. I don't believe in coincidences unfortunately. Michael did extensive plastic surgery, regardless of vitiligo, then at the same time he gets lighter gradually which according to him and his doctors is due to vitilgo, how very convenient...The only pictures what fans can truely can come up with are pictures of MJ when he looks mostly white with brown blotches on his bodies. Why didn't he put makeup on all those brown blotches that we see in the "They don't care about us" Video?

Vitiligo is at it's most obvious when white blotches appear on predominately black skin yet no one can provide a convincing picture of Michael back in the early to mid 80s when according to Michael his vitiligo became apparent showing us that he has vitiligo.

You don't have to have vitiligo to depigmentize your skin, and if you do depigmentize your skin without having vitiligo there would be after effects, i.e. brown blotches and yes like a vitiligo patient you would have to keep out of the sun. You see Michael messing about with his skin for cosmestic reasons aint that far fetch, considering all these other things he has done to himself.
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cdcgold said:

Well, quite.

SoulAlive said:

Advantage? Wtf?

What advantages has Michael recieved through his skin lightening? The world hates the guy, that's some fucking advantage right there. Jesus fucking christ.