maybe she dont wanna do it no more and why do people always bring up madonna, i never got the feeling that janet was the least bit interested in following madonna's blueprint.if she wanna go chill and not do the whole pop star thing no more i dont see nothing wrong with it.for the people who spent all the money to travel for this concert, i feel bad for you, even though i think it was a dumbass move, i mean janet has been known to cancel shows even when she was at her peak so why in sam hell would you make plans to travel for this show that had so many problems here in the states. i went to see her at the garden, which is where i always see her,im not booking flights and hotels for nobody's concert.

lowkey said:

Simple - because her shows have always sold out in Japan, so it was a safe bet she was going to perform.

Fans are not responsible for her professional fuckups.
[Edited 1/28/09 15:54pm]

midnightmover said:

Are you for real?

What about Janet makes you feel so passionately angry?

midnightmover said:

i completely agree! as much as people want to deny it; that is what pretty much sealed her fate. that was a MASSIVE fuck up!! even though i think people crying over a tit is pathetic, Janet or whoever thinks for her, should've stopped that train from the get go. then she never owned up to it. 'yeah you saw my breast. and what???' she cowarded to the media and the public. just like her brother does. the general public and some hardcore fans lost any respect they had for her.

IMO she's not released a strong enough or even fully memorable album since the Velvet Rope. her lyrical content went south , and much of the music felt watered down. she's had some decent songs and some really good songs but considering her P.R. this decade no one will even give her albums a listen to discover them. and that cancelling her dates because of an illness is complete bollocks!! she had some HALF empty shows. we were literally ushered from top tier to basically floor seats into the 2nd song of the show. embarassing for her, great for those of us who paid the cheapest prices and got the better seats. LOL

i would say that in her defense there was no promotion at all for this tour. many wouldn't have known if it wasn't for word of mouth. but again she did herself in by cancelling her media tour. i think she did Larry King and that was it. hardly the show that moves any units for record labels. lol

i have loved Janet since day one, seen her several times, own her albums but she's done it to herself. maybe release a best of, go away for a bit, regroup and hope for a better come back. if in fact that's what she wants.
;shrug:

lowkey said:

The sexualisation of Janet's act after Rhythm Nation was directly inspired by Madonna. No female pop star had ever used such graphic sexual shock tactics before her. Not only did Madonna get away with it, she actually sold more records because of it. Janet was one of a flood of female pop stars to follow Madonna's lead.

lowkey said:

That's fine and good but when you announce a tour,schedule dates,sell tickets....you're expected to DELIVER.



I agree with you,but it's still wrong and unfortunate that Janet would conduct her business this way.

midnightmover said:

Stop right there.

Now you're showing your lack of knowledge.

Cinnie said:

I said "pop star". I'm not talking about under-the-radar people like Millie Jackson or Betty Davis. I'm talking about MAINSTREAM kiddie pop stars selling to millions of little girls. Madonna was the one who sexualised female pop. Janet followed her lead.

midnightmover said:

I think you're giving Madonna too much credit.

StarCat said:

Although the SuperBowl scandal really damaged her career,I think she could have easily recovered from it if she had re-invented herself,released a bold,challenging album and put the focus back on the music.Instead,she's spent the past several years just drifting aimlessly.

Cinnie said:

The facts speak for themselves. Compare Madonna with all her peers (80s Janet, Cyndi Lauper, Whitney Houston, Belinda Carlisle, The Bangles, Debbie Gibson, etc.). For the most part, they were squeaky clean. Nothing like what we're used to now with these sexed up pop tarts. The only female pop star who was doing the sexed up routine was Madonna. That's not an opinion. It's a fact. From '89 -'91 she took it further than ever. Singing "Hanky Panky", posing in more sexual photographs than ever before, kissing women in public. As someone who was around at the time, I'm surprised that you've forgotten how far out she was.

She was so far out that it took a while for other females to follow. In the 90s you had Kylie and Janet both reinventing themselves as sex toys. Neither of them would have dared to do that if Madonna hadn't shown that you could get away with it. Of course, now the floodgates have opened and we see this stuff all the time in pop, but a simple look over your shoulder will show you that things were different back then. Madonna was not the only factor in that, but she was the crucial model for Janet's 90s reinvention as a sex pot.
[Edited 1/30/09 6:14am]

SoulAlive said:

I think she would have slumped even without the Superbowl, but I think the fact that she never cleared it up properly means no amount of reinventing is gonna wipe away this stigma. The David Letterman interview sums it all up. She had ten minutes to explain herself, and she basically stonewalled all questions. She said virtually nothing about the circumstances, how they rehearsed it, the idea behind the routine, etc. Ten minutes of talking and she said nothing. It just cemented an image in people's minds of a dishonest individual. All these years later she has still said nothing more than "it was an accident". This has staled people's attitude to her.

Donna Summer - love to love??

That was before Madonna right? Pretty mainstream right? Pretty sexually explicit right?

mancabdriver said:

I don't know how many little girls were listening to that, but if any were, I doubt very much they would have known there was anything sexual in it. They probably would have just thought she was sleepy. Anyway, I always saw Donna's early stuff as being for clubbers, not little girls.

midnightmover said:

How do you know what little girls listened to? The song was a worldwide hit and reached #2 on the hot 100. Surely little girls were exposed to the song?

Mate when you make ignorant comments sometimes you should be graceful and accept you were wrong rather than dig a deeper hole for yourself.

mancabdriver said:

I just said "I don't know how many little girls were listening to that". Can you read? Not everything that reaches the Top 10 has been put there by little girls.

Secondly, I'll repeat what you also didn't read. Most pre-teens seeing and hearing that song would have had NO IDEA there was anything sexual in it. The lyrics are clean and Donna always performed in a fairly conservative fashion. It's only grown-ups who would have picked up on the sexual delivery. If you compare that to Madonna songs and videos like "Hanky Panky", "Justify My Love" or even "Like A Virgin" on the MTV Awards, there's no comparison. Show most younger people a clip of Donna Summer performing and they would see it as pretty tame. Show them Madonna and they couldn't fail to see how blatantly sexual it is.
[Edited 1/30/09 9:01am]

What happened to her mtv reality show? Can't she focus on that?

midnightmover said:

Madonna DEFINITELY wasn't the first singing gal to use sex to sell records to the mainstream.

She was one of the first to do it on daytime TV though.

rushing07 said:

You know what I'm saying.

midnightmover said:

Madoona was doing more than just using sex!!!!

STOP USING MADONNA AS AN EXAMPLE. she is the worst one!!!
[Edited 1/30/09 11:54am]

TotalAlisa said:

Look, stop beating about the bush and just tell us about Madonna's practises. We're all dying to hear.

Maybe I overstated Madonna's influence on female pop tarts generally, but her influence on Janet was clear. By pushing the boundaries so far, Madonna gave Janet a license to release her inner hoe. Add in some moral support from Rene and she was all set for her reinvention as the corniest sexual evangelist ever seen.

midnightmover said:

madonna has clearly NOT influenced janet, if anything i would give that to rene alizondo for janet's sex image. But not madonna, i don't even think during that time janet even liked madonna.

TotalAlisa said:

Of course, she didn't like her. She hated her, but she would not have gone so far out image wise, if Madonna hadn't showed that you could get away with it. Anyway, nevermind that. We wanna hear about Madonna's devil worship. How did Satan help her career? Stop holding out on us. We want to know.

midnightmover said:

Im not going into that because, when i say something it seems like too many orgers remember the wrong things. Its been years i have been onhere and people still bring up old stuff i said when i was like 18 or 19.

if you want to know about madonna's pratices you can research yourself.

TotalAlisa said:

All I found was stuff about botox and yoga. Links?

Cinnie said:

LOL!

you forgot oxygen machines, B12 shots, pilates, boinking male models half one's age, reading every celebrity newspaper ever in existence to scan for a mention of one's own name, horse riding, steroids, espresso by the gallon, liposuction, and a cult known as the Kabbalah

badujunkie said:

!

I don't think Madonna sold her soul to the devil for success. She's just always been more involved that Janet in her career. But who's talking about Madge anyway? Hard Candy was just a little better than Discipline (both were sub-par releases compared with stuff released during their glory days), and didn't set the charts alight either. Coupled with insane ticket prices, a mediocre set-list, and pretty bad publicity, her tour could've bombed also. But she actually went out and did her thing, and was rewarded with her biggest grossing tour yet.

I just don't think Janet likes to tour, and it was pretty obvious when she didn't tour behind Damita Jo and 20 YO, and then canceled most of her 2008 tour that her heart's just not in it.

Axchi696 said:

YOU ARE

Cinnie said:

Touche!