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Thread started 01/23/09 9:02am

midnightmover

Usher commits daylight robbery on Joan Armatrading

Maybe it's because Joan Armatrading is underneath most people's radar, but it seems like I'm the only one who's noticed that the verse melody on Usher's "In The Club" has been directly stolen from Joan Armatrading's "No Love". They're fucking identical. The rest of the song has a weaker melody. Unfortunately, Joan's original masterpiece (I don't use the word lightly) is not on Youtube so I've got no link for y'all I'm afraid. Her song is beautiful and blunt at the same time. Usher's song is, well..... garbage. confused
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Reply #1 posted 01/23/09 10:08am

LondonStyle

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midnightmover said:

Maybe it's because Joan Armatrading is underneath most people's radar, but it seems like I'm the only one who's noticed that the verse melody on Usher's "In The Club" has been directly stolen from Joan Armatrading's "No Love". They're fucking identical. The rest of the song has a weaker melody. Unfortunately, Joan's original masterpiece (I don't use the word lightly) is not on Youtube so I've got no link for y'all I'm afraid. Her song is beautiful and blunt at the same time. Usher's song is, well..... garbage. confused



IF you think that's bad have you heard the version by Keyhia Cole version of Joan Armatrading The Weakness In Me
....oh dear....i want to slap her for that...it's so bad.. eek mad mad mad
Joan Armatrading The Weakness In Me
http://uk.youtube.com/wat...w67c_-cAuc
[Edited 1/23/09 10:09am]
Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
James Brown & Michael Jackson RIP, your music still lives with us!
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Reply #2 posted 01/23/09 10:56am

Cinnie

That 1981 cut "No Love" was a hit in the UK apparently... and it is included on the 2 disc set Gold...

which this thread has made me want to pick up next time I see it.

http://www.amazon.com/Gol...B000A0GPRM
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Reply #3 posted 01/23/09 10:58am

Cinnie

LondonStyle said:

IF you think that's bad have you heard the version by Keyhia Cole version of Joan Armatrading The Weakness In Me
....oh dear....i want to slap her for that...it's so bad.. eek mad mad mad
Joan Armatrading The Weakness In Me
http://uk.youtube.com/wat...w67c_-cAuc


That is also included on the 2 disc Gold set.
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Reply #4 posted 01/23/09 11:04am

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Cinnie said:

LondonStyle said:

IF you think that's bad have you heard the version by Keyhia Cole version of Joan Armatrading The Weakness In Me
....oh dear....i want to slap her for that...it's so bad.. eek mad mad mad
Joan Armatrading The Weakness In Me
http://uk.youtube.com/wat...w67c_-cAuc


That is also included on the 2 disc Gold set.


thanks ...must buy list... biggrin
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James Brown & Michael Jackson RIP, your music still lives with us!
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Reply #5 posted 01/23/09 11:06am

Cinnie

allmusic says it covers 1975 to 1983... I love that era
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Reply #6 posted 01/23/09 11:40am

Marrk

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midnightmover said:

Maybe it's because Joan Armatrading is underneath most people's radar, but it seems like I'm the only one who's noticed that the verse melody on Usher's "In The Club" has been directly stolen from Joan Armatrading's "No Love". They're fucking identical. The rest of the song has a weaker melody. Unfortunately, Joan's original masterpiece (I don't use the word lightly) is not on Youtube so I've got no link for y'all I'm afraid. Her song is beautiful and blunt at the same time. Usher's song is, well..... garbage. confused


if it's a direct lift, shouldn't you concede the verse melody on Joan's is garbage too? making it less of a masterpiece than you originally thought. wink

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Reply #7 posted 01/23/09 11:47am

midnightmover

Marrk said:

midnightmover said:

Maybe it's because Joan Armatrading is underneath most people's radar, but it seems like I'm the only one who's noticed that the verse melody on Usher's "In The Club" has been directly stolen from Joan Armatrading's "No Love". They're fucking identical. The rest of the song has a weaker melody. Unfortunately, Joan's original masterpiece (I don't use the word lightly) is not on Youtube so I've got no link for y'all I'm afraid. Her song is beautiful and blunt at the same time. Usher's song is, well..... garbage. confused


if it's a direct lift, shouldn't you concede the verse melody on Joan's is garbage too? making it less of a masterpiece than you originally thought. wink

whistling

Err, no. You didn't read it properly. Look at the bit I highlighted. The stolen melody is great, but that portion only makes up half the song. When it switches to Usher's melody it's garbage. And of course, the production on Usher's is atrocious next to Joan's original, and last but not least, the lyrics on Joan's song are PHENOMENAL! Profound, clever and original. Usher's lyrics are UTTER DRIVEL! Cliched and tiresome. I recommend everyone check out Joan's track. Love songs don't get much better.
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Reply #8 posted 01/23/09 11:50am

midnightmover

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midnightmover said:

Maybe it's because Joan Armatrading is underneath most people's radar, but it seems like I'm the only one who's noticed that the verse melody on Usher's "In The Club" has been directly stolen from Joan Armatrading's "No Love". They're fucking identical. The rest of the song has a weaker melody. Unfortunately, Joan's original masterpiece (I don't use the word lightly) is not on Youtube so I've got no link for y'all I'm afraid. Her song is beautiful and blunt at the same time. Usher's song is, well..... garbage. confused



IF you think that's bad have you heard the version by Keyhia Cole version of Joan Armatrading The Weakness In Me
....oh dear....i want to slap her for that...it's so bad.. eek mad mad mad
Joan Armatrading The Weakness In Me
http://uk.youtube.com/wat...w67c_-cAuc
[Edited 1/23/09 10:09am]

Really? I must admit I've got a soft spot for Keyshia, who I think has such a soulful voice (although she can sound a mess when she tries to dance at the same time as sing). I could never listen to her boring music though.
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Reply #9 posted 01/23/09 11:58am

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midnightmover said:

Marrk said:



if it's a direct lift, shouldn't you concede the verse melody on Joan's is garbage too? making it less of a masterpiece than you originally thought. wink

whistling

Err, no. You didn't read it properly. Look at the bit I highlighted. The stolen melody is great, but that portion only makes up half the song. When it switches to Usher's melody it's garbage. And of course, the production on Usher's is atrocious next to Joan's original, and last but not least, the lyrics on Joan's song are PHENOMENAL! Profound, clever and original. Usher's lyrics are UTTER DRIVEL! Cliched and tiresome. I recommend everyone check out Joan's track. Love songs don't get much better.


i was being pedantic (like i would be if i mentioned you've just said half of Usher's song is actually great).

i'm well aware of Joan, i'm a UK'er and was a kid in the 70's and remember her well.

Of course Usher is bollocks i'm well aware of that too!
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Reply #10 posted 01/23/09 12:00pm

midnightmover

Marrk said:

midnightmover said:


Err, no. You didn't read it properly. Look at the bit I highlighted. The stolen melody is great, but that portion only makes up half the song. When it switches to Usher's melody it's garbage. And of course, the production on Usher's is atrocious next to Joan's original, and last but not least, the lyrics on Joan's song are PHENOMENAL! Profound, clever and original. Usher's lyrics are UTTER DRIVEL! Cliched and tiresome. I recommend everyone check out Joan's track. Love songs don't get much better.


i was being pedantic (like i would be if i mentioned you've just said half of Usher's song is actually great).

i'm well aware of Joan, i'm a UK'er and was a kid in the 70's and remember her well.

Of course Usher is bollocks i'm well aware of that too!

The verse melody is the strongest part of the song, but it's ruined by the other three elements I mentioned. Awful production, awful lyrics, and awful songwriting in the non-stolen section.
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Reply #11 posted 01/23/09 12:13pm

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I can't through the whole song so I wouldn't know lol
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Reply #12 posted 01/23/09 12:17pm

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I can't through the whole song so I wouldn't know lol


Is that Victor? lol
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Reply #13 posted 01/23/09 12:18pm

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violator said:

bboy87 said:

I can't through the whole song so I wouldn't know lol


Is that Victor? lol

yes, yes it is cool
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Reply #14 posted 01/23/09 12:37pm

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midnightmover said:

Marrk said:



i was being pedantic (like i would be if i mentioned you've just said half of Usher's song is actually great).

i'm well aware of Joan, i'm a UK'er and was a kid in the 70's and remember her well.

Of course Usher is bollocks i'm well aware of that too!

The verse melody is the strongest part of the song, but it's ruined by the other three elements I mentioned. Awful production, awful lyrics, and awful songwriting in the non-stolen section.


lol

avoid clicking on anything that mentions Usher. i happily live in ignorant bliss!
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