seeingvoices12 said:

MJ's musical legacy is fine. don't know how it's going, but there's a West End musical on in London at the moment, based on his life.

Maybe it's a UK thing!

A 17yr old girl at work was taking the piss out of one of my other work colleagues (called Ben) by singing 'Ben' at him in an MJ-stylee voice, then declaring her love for his music, and six people sat near us agreed (not including me) cause its well known i'm a fan anyway.

His legacy can't be downplayed or disputed, too many acts trying to bite his vocal style and slip in some of his moves on their vidz. We know who they are, thing is they're mostly shite, and he was genuinely great.

Marrk said:

Yeah his legacy is far from being shot anyways.

Timmy84 said:

Not that i agree fully, but HMV in the UK have used a 'little MJ' cardboard cutout above their Motown50 Displays, could have used multiple Motown artists but..

Marrk said:

Now that's true.

Timmy84 said:

I have meant to buy that issue back in 2007, but never got the chance. However, I've read some online criticism on the magazine, saying that he's airbrushed or photoshopped. Or that he's never been black. Poor Mike.

angel345 said:

They said some shit about "the magazine should've been called Ivory with Mike on the cover".

angel345 said:

Because that shit was flying off the shelves. I went to 3 Barnes and Nobles(who said they kept selling out), 1 Borders, 4 supermarkets, only to find the last copy at a 7-ll near my school

Timmy84 said:

lmfaooooo I love that!

seeingvoices12 said:

I agree,Michael doesn't NEED other artists to create buzz for a new album.That's really my whole point.But for some reason,he feels like he needs these people.The reason you hear the "thank you's" at the end of "Whatever Happens" is because Michael wants to make it clear who's on his album.He's well aware that Carlos's 1999 album "Supernatural" sold over 22 million copies.That's what Michael is impressed with: huge record sales and massive popularity.Do you seriously think he would have worked with Carlos Santana in the 80s and early 90s,when Carlos' albums were barely going gold?






Like I said before,there's nothing really wrong with chasing trends and keeping up with the latest sounds.Michael is a "pop artist",after all.It's just that he tends to over-do it.I mean,come on....Ne-Yo,will.i.am,John Legend,T-Pain,Akon?? That's overkill.And since the album apparently won't be released anytime soon,I bet he's gonna wait and see who tops the R&B/hip-hop charts in 2009 and (surprise,surprise),he'll soon be in the studio with those acts,too.It's an endless,predictable cycle and it rarely results in GREAT music.






The reason why people always think that he wants to top 'Thriller' is because he always works with "hot" producers/artists and every album is over-hyped as if it's gonna change the world,with year-long delays,big-name artists going to the media talking about the tracks,etc.Sure,the media plays a large part in this too,but let's not act as if Michael is blameless.He's fully aware of the circus atmosphere that he creates whenever he's working on a new album.




Actually,I wish he would collaborate with some unknown producers/songwriters for a change.It would be a refreshing change of pace for him.Plus,he would show that he has some artistic integrity left.

Soul Alive says:

Like I said before,there's nothing really wrong with chasing trends and keeping up with the latest sounds.Michael is a "pop artist",after all.It's just that he tends to over-do it.I mean,come on....Ne-Yo,will.i.am,John Legend,T-Pain,Akon?? That's overkill.And since the album apparently won't be released anytime soon,I bet he's gonna wait and see who tops the R&B/hip-hop charts in 2009 and (surprise,surprise),he'll soon be in the studio with those acts,too.It's an endless,predictable cycle and it rarely results in GREAT music.

I totally agree with you on the overkill and his best work was done when he worked with Quincy. We all agree at least that his main intentions is to create music for all generations to enjoy.
[Edited 1/27/09 6:46am]

Yeah I don't know why MJ feels the need to work with all these young, hot artists and producers. I've really never been too fond of MJ's collaboration's for the most part anyway. Too many collaborations=Another Invincible. I like several songs on that album, but the album was all over the place and lacked direction. It sounds like the new album might be heading in that same direction unfortunately. Michael needs to just stick to working w/one or two solid producers and writing most of the songs himself like he did on "Bad" and "History". Of course me being a fan, I want him to do well and be successful, but albums sales shouldn't be his main focus. He needs to get back to making good, timeless music again and forget about all these trendy producers and artists already.

Seems like everyone on the thread is stuck on 'repeat'. Well, what's new there.

I'll wait to hear what his album sounds like before writing him off.

Cloudbuster said:

Threads are usually locked because of arguments, but I think sometimes you should lock them just coz everyone's saying the same inane things over and over.

EDIT: SoulAlive was on point though.
[Edited 1/27/09 7:21am]

SoulAlive said:

You mean when he erects statues of himself to promote an album?

midnightmover said:

And it's generally yours and David's comments that transform MJ threads into the same tiresome shite time and again, so yeah... whatever.

Cloudbuster said:

Sorry, no. I'm the one usually bringing the light of knowledge around here while you fools are doing Stevie Wonder impressions.

midnightmover said:

Oh, fuck off, you turd.

Cloudbuster said:

Always a sign of intellectual bankruptcy when mofos post inane insults like that. A little imagination would make your posts a lot more interesting.

midnightmover said:

Like you calling me a fool? Go bitch to someone who cares.

Cloudbuster said:

There was actually a bit of wit in my post. There was nothing but a childish expression of anger in yours. It seems the frustrations of the MJ loon can only ever lead to petulance. We've seen the same thing from other members of the breed.

I am not going to judge anything untill I hear the record. But any news saying that Mike is actually working is fantastic news to me.

midnightmover said:

Anger? No, I just think you're pathetic bitching about lack of imagination and interest in my posts when all you do is repeat yourself.
So where's the imagination and interest in your mundane repeated ramblings?
Where's the insight in repeatedly reminding MJ fans that he's supposedly been shit since Thriller?
As if we don't have another hundred orgers here that never fail to tell us this on a daily basis.

But I'm the bore? Ok. If it helps you sleep.

Cloudbuster said:

I thought you just said you didn't care. And another sign of intellectual bankruptcy is arguing with a straw man as you just did. I've never said "he's been shit since Thriller". And even if I did, to imply that's all I've ever had to say is frankly dishonest.

midnightmover said:

You recently declared Bad a "kiddie pop" album. That's hardly praise, right?
And you've had nothing good to say about any of his work post Bad, so quit talking shit and trying to back peddle.

Cloudbuster said:

Wow! The only question now is whether you are being dishonest or just dumb. I suspect the latter. Yes, I called Bad a "kiddie" album, but does that mean I've said everything he did after Thriller was shit? You're gonna need to think more clearly than that if you want to prove that the members of your breed actually have IQs above single digits.

You say I've had nothing good to say about his work post Bad. This shows how you don't even know the first thing about my views. MJ had a fair number of great moments after then, such as SIM, WYBT, etc. and some brilliant performances. So really, you need to come back to me once you've actually got a clue. Then we can have a meaningful discussion. Until then I can only clear up your misunderstandings, which seem to be dauntingly plentiful.

EDIT: And let me repeat that to say all I've ever said about MJ is "he's been shit since Thriller" amounts to flagrant dishonesty.
[Edited 1/27/09 10:35am]

midnightmover said:

Well, I guess to satisfy you I'll be dishonest, dumb, ignorant, insane, foolish and deluded with a devastatingly low IQ. Just like every Michael Jackson fan.

And obviously highlighting two post Thriller songs and the odd decent performance as great moments vindicates you from your overwhelmingly negative posts about Mike. Bravo.
I can only wonder how I failed to miss your generosity the first time around. Oh yeah, probably because it was buried amongst all the dung.

midnightmover said:

Ok, you may not have said those exact five words in that exact order but the general gist of your posts amounts to the same.
Bar one or two songs and the occasional good performance, of course.

Cloudbuster said:

The whole post Thriller angle was a red herring on your part anyway. You tried to suggest I had nothing more to say about MJ than "he's been shit since Thriller" when you must know (if you've actually been paying attention) that I have A LOT MORE to say than that, and it's all backed up with logic. Logic..... the bane of MJ fans everywhere.

Cloudbuster said:

You've misunderstood the post. The point is that I have a lot more to say than that. Comprehend?

midnightmover said:

Oh yeah, the charges of paedophilia. How could I have forgotten.
Hey, it was only a matter of time anyway. I'm sat comfortably, ready when you are...