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PrintableRemember back in the day when it was so much easier? An artist would go into the studio with *ONE* producer,record ten tracks and release the damn album.Surely even Michael must miss those days.I'm sick and tired of abums that have a hundred different producers and songwriters on them!! | |
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If there weren't such large gaps between albums the pressure and expectation wouldn't be so great. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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JackieBlue said: If there weren't such large gaps between albums the pressure and expectation wouldn't be so great.
Yeah,Michael really makes it hard on himself.He needs to change the way he reocrds music and accept the fact that this ain't 1985 anymore. | |
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SoulAlive said: Remember back in the day when it was so much easier? An artist would go into the studio with *ONE* producer,record ten tracks and release the damn album.Surely even Michael must miss those days.I'm sick and tired of abums that have a hundred different producers and songwriters on them!!
Yeah, too many cooks does spoil it. | |
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Michael just done gave up.  | |
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bboy87 said: SoulAlive said: T-Pain needs to get a clue.Doesn't he know that Michael will probably reject these tracks?
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JackieBlue said: If there weren't such large gaps between albums the pressure and expectation wouldn't be so great.
Yep, like Madonna does! But it's much too late for that. After Thriller he should have had the strenght to say: Well, fuck you, my album is the biggest selling album ever, but I won't be the fool and try to top that record..." A bit like George Michael did, when he wrote the album after Faith (LWP1). It's a fantastic, well-crafted album but it sounds completely different than Faith. Michael could have done that too. Something that's great but not just a rip-off of Thriller. So this album would not have been compared to Thriller... But of course he wanted to sell 100 mio with Bad, copied the Thriller recipy... But all those huge gaps cause huge expactations and of course the critics will give him a hard time. The album will sell even less than Invincible. They will say it's the biggest flop ever (although every other artist would die to have those sales) etc... | |
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SoulAlive said: Remember back in the day when it was so much easier? An artist would go into the studio with *ONE* producer,record ten tracks and release the damn album.Surely even Michael must miss those days.I'm sick and tired of abums that have a hundred different producers and songwriters on them!!
He could do that still. I hate those each song has another producer mentality. An ideal album has to have a homogenic sound, but each song has to be different. You know what I mean? | |
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I never believed Michael wanted to top Thriller's sales. I certainly don't believe he'd still be trying with each subsequent album. It'd certainly never be possible now. Michael isn't stupid that way.
That's purely media and detractors talk, never heard Michael say any such damn thing myself, The only time he's been desperate to beat a previous album is when OTW only got one Grammy, he was pissed at that. And rightly so. My feeling is he's scared to bomb and the reaction from joe public to his return, mainly because the media would let everyone know he'd only sold 10m compared to Thriller. He never has bombed really, so he shouldn't be scared to put an album out. I'd prefer it to be his own production, therefore his own work, his best songs have always been his own creations. If he wants an executive producer like Quincy or today's equivalent (is there one? probably not!) fine. But no shit-hoppers please. True long-term fans would be dismayed.  [Edited 1/24/09 13:00pm] |
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Marrk said: I never believed Michael wanted to top Thriller's sales. I certainly don't believe he'd still be trying with each subsequent album. It'd certainly never be possible now. Michael isn't stupid that way.
That's purely media and detractors talk, never heard Michael say any such damn thing myself, The only time he's been desperate to beat a previous album is when OTW only got one Grammy, he was pissed at that. And rightly so. My feeling is he's scared to bomb and the reaction from joe public to his return, mainly because the media would let everyone know he'd only sold 10m compared to Thriller. He never has bombed really, so he shouldn't be scared to put an album out. I'd prefer it to be his own production, therefore his own work, his best songs have always been his own creations. If he wants an executive producer like Quincy or today's equivalent (is there one? probably not!) fine. But no shit-hoppers please. True long-term fans would be dismayed.
I heard that,when he was recording 'Bad',he took a piece of paper,wrote the words "80 Million Copies" on it,and taped it to his mirror.Each day when he woke up and looked in the mirror,he saw the message.It was his motivation,to top what he had done before. | |
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SoulAlive said: Marrk said: I never believed Michael wanted to top Thriller's sales. I certainly don't believe he'd still be trying with each subsequent album. It'd certainly never be possible now. Michael isn't stupid that way.
That's purely media and detractors talk, never heard Michael say any such damn thing myself, The only time he's been desperate to beat a previous album is when OTW only got one Grammy, he was pissed at that. And rightly so. My feeling is he's scared to bomb and the reaction from joe public to his return, mainly because the media would let everyone know he'd only sold 10m compared to Thriller. He never has bombed really, so he shouldn't be scared to put an album out. I'd prefer it to be his own production, therefore his own work, his best songs have always been his own creations. If he wants an executive producer like Quincy or today's equivalent (is there one? probably not!) fine. But no shit-hoppers please. True long-term fans would be dismayed.
I heard that,when he was recording 'Bad',he took a piece of paper,wrote the words "80 Million Copies" on it,and taped it to his mirror.Each day when he woke up and looked in the mirror,he saw the message.It was his motivation,to top what he had done before. I read that too, in different biographies... I'm suprised Marrk never heard of this. Very telling that his goal was commercial. He could have wrote "NINE PERFECT SONGS" on that piece of paper, yknow? | |
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SoulAlive said: Marrk said: I never believed Michael wanted to top Thriller's sales. I certainly don't believe he'd still be trying with each subsequent album. It'd certainly never be possible now. Michael isn't stupid that way.
That's purely media and detractors talk, never heard Michael say any such damn thing myself, The only time he's been desperate to beat a previous album is when OTW only got one Grammy, he was pissed at that. And rightly so. My feeling is he's scared to bomb and the reaction from joe public to his return, mainly because the media would let everyone know he'd only sold 10m compared to Thriller. He never has bombed really, so he shouldn't be scared to put an album out. I'd prefer it to be his own production, therefore his own work, his best songs have always been his own creations. If he wants an executive producer like Quincy or today's equivalent (is there one? probably not!) fine. But no shit-hoppers please. True long-term fans would be dismayed.
I heard that,when he was recording 'Bad',he took a piece of paper,wrote the words "80 Million Copies" on it,and taped it to his mirror.Each day when he woke up and looked in the mirror,he saw the message.It was his motivation,to top what he had done before. I think it has to do with growing up at Motown and wanting to appeal to everyone. It has its pros and cons. The cons being he made the expectations to great and he's constantly tried to be bigger, but at the same time, the pro being so many around the world love and admire this black guy, which was rarely a case back then. Not to mention his success made other artist want to reach higher "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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Try as he might, Michael has always went for the commercial juggernaut, lol. I just hope something artistic comes out of it. | |
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I don't see how you could come to the conclusion that the music on Bad, Dangerous and HIStory wasn't artistic, but whatever. | |
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WildStyle said: I don't see how you could come to the conclusion that the music on Bad, Dangerous and HIStory wasn't artistic, but whatever.
I didn't say those albums. 
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Seriously,I have a feeling that Michael simply picks up an issue of Billboard,checks out who's in the Top 10 and decides "That's who I wanna work with".It's hard to imagine that he actually listens to crap like T-Pain.He only wants to work with these people because they're "hot" right now. | |
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T-Pain's latest album is better than A LOT of albums out there, including some old stuff that gets discussed on the org. I would NOT be surprised if MJ was listening to him.
Rememeber MJ singing along to "Ignition" by R.Kelly in his limo and really looking like he loved it? Dude doesn't exactly live under a rock (like some orgers who haven't even heard T-Pain's album). | |
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Cinnie said: T-Pain's latest album is better than A LOT of albums out there, including some old stuff that gets discussed on the org. I would NOT be surprised if MJ was listening to him.
Rememeber MJ singing along to "Ignition" by R.Kelly in his limo and really looking like he loved it? Dude doesn't exactly live under a rock (like some orgers who haven't even heard T-Pain's album). That doesn't say much for the music that's out there. I know there are a lot of guests on the album but if he's doing that voice thing then he gets the thumbs down at least for me. I find that pretty much unlistenable. I think what it really says is that Michael doesn't have some great high-brown musical taste. He pretty much likes what's popular or likes everything. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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JackieBlue said: Cinnie said: T-Pain's latest album is better than A LOT of albums out there, including some old stuff that gets discussed on the org. I would NOT be surprised if MJ was listening to him.
Rememeber MJ singing along to "Ignition" by R.Kelly in his limo and really looking like he loved it? Dude doesn't exactly live under a rock (like some orgers who haven't even heard T-Pain's album). That doesn't say much for the music that's out there. I know there are a lot of guests on the album but if he's doing that voice thing then he gets the thumbs down at least for me. I find that pretty much unlistenable. I think what it really says is that Michael doesn't have some great high-brown musical taste. He pretty much likes what's popular or likes everything. I really wish Michael could prove us wrong.I wish he would do some songs with someone who ISN'T the "flavor of the moment".I would hate to think that he only listens to the crap on the radio today. [Edited 1/24/09 22:17pm] | |
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SoulAlive said: JackieBlue said: That doesn't say much for the music that's out there. I know there are a lot of guests on the album but if he's doing that voice thing then he gets the thumbs down at least for me. I find that pretty much unlistenable. I think what it really says is that Michael doesn't have some great high-brown musical taste. He pretty much likes what's popular or likes everything. I really wish Michael could prove us wrong.I wish he would do some songs with someone who ISN'T the "flavor of the moment".I would hate to think that he only listens to the crap on the radio today. [Edited 1/24/09 22:17pm] I'd like to think so too but over the years I can't really recall Michael really pointing out anything that knocked my socks off. Sure he's commented on the regulars and the Motown greats but every now and then I wonder... Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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JackieBlue said: Cinnie said: T-Pain's latest album is better than A LOT of albums out there, including some old stuff that gets discussed on the org. I would NOT be surprised if MJ was listening to him.
Rememeber MJ singing along to "Ignition" by R.Kelly in his limo and really looking like he loved it? Dude doesn't exactly live under a rock (like some orgers who haven't even heard T-Pain's album). That doesn't say much for the music that's out there. I know there are a lot of guests on the album but if he's doing that voice thing then he gets the thumbs down at least for me. I find that pretty much unlistenable. I think what it really says is that Michael doesn't have some great high-brown musical taste. He pretty much likes what's popular or likes everything. His taste in music is very diverse. He said it on Steve Harvey's interview. | |
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angel345 said: JackieBlue said: That doesn't say much for the music that's out there. I know there are a lot of guests on the album but if he's doing that voice thing then he gets the thumbs down at least for me. I find that pretty much unlistenable. I think what it really says is that Michael doesn't have some great high-brown musical taste. He pretty much likes what's popular or likes everything. His taste in music is very diverse. He said it on Steve Harvey's interview. I dig the diversity. That's why I thought he had cool tastes and could possibly even introduce me to something or someone I hadn't explored before. But that's when i was younger. I really don't know what he's into now and I suppose it doesn't matter. I just don't dig some of the folks he's either working with or have been rumored to work with. I should have a wait-and-see attitude but instead I find myself in a cringe-at-the-mere-thought-of attitude. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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SoulAlive said: Marrk said: I never believed Michael wanted to top Thriller's sales. I certainly don't believe he'd still be trying with each subsequent album. It'd certainly never be possible now. Michael isn't stupid that way.
That's purely media and detractors talk, never heard Michael say any such damn thing myself, The only time he's been desperate to beat a previous album is when OTW only got one Grammy, he was pissed at that. And rightly so. My feeling is he's scared to bomb and the reaction from joe public to his return, mainly because the media would let everyone know he'd only sold 10m compared to Thriller. He never has bombed really, so he shouldn't be scared to put an album out. I'd prefer it to be his own production, therefore his own work, his best songs have always been his own creations. If he wants an executive producer like Quincy or today's equivalent (is there one? probably not!) fine. But no shit-hoppers please. True long-term fans would be dismayed.
I heard that,when he was recording 'Bad',he took a piece of paper,wrote the words "80 Million Copies" on it,and taped it to his mirror.Each day when he woke up and looked in the mirror,he saw the message.It was his motivation,to top what he had done before. So far, to my understanding, MJ has met almost half of his goal. "Bad" sold about 32 million copies worldwide. | |
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JackieBlue said: angel345 said: His taste in music is very diverse. He said it on Steve Harvey's interview. I dig the diversity. That's why I thought he had cool tastes and could possibly even introduce me to something or someone I hadn't explored before. But that's when i was younger. I really don't know what he's into now and I suppose it doesn't matter. I just don't dig some of the folks he's either working with or have been rumored to work with. I should have a wait-and-see attitude but instead I find myself in a cringe-at-the-mere-thought-of attitude. I don't dig them myself, but if anyone who's followed his career, he is full of surprises, and takes his time with his music. I agree, let's see. | |
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angel345 said: JackieBlue said: That doesn't say much for the music that's out there. I know there are a lot of guests on the album but if he's doing that voice thing then he gets the thumbs down at least for me. I find that pretty much unlistenable. I think what it really says is that Michael doesn't have some great high-brown musical taste. He pretty much likes what's popular or likes everything. His taste in music is very diverse. He said it on Steve Harvey's interview. I'm watching this interview from 1972 right now and he was saying his favorite groups were The Staple Singers, Three Dog Night, and The Temps [Edited 1/25/09 0:07am] "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: angel345 said: His taste in music is very diverse. He said it on Steve Harvey's interview. I'm watching this interview from 1972 right now and he was saying his favorite groups were The Staple Singers, Three Dog Night, and The Temps [Edited 1/25/09 0:07am] In a 1973 or 1974 interview, MJ said he was listening to Graham Central Station and some other group, I forget the name. | |
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angel345 said: So far, to my understanding, MJ has met almost half of his goal. "Bad" sold about 32 million copies worldwide.
In the end, it sold just below 30 million worldwide, I think that's the general consensus. He certainly didn't reach his half of goal because Bad "only" sold 8 million copies in the US, a huge drop in comparison from Thriller, and all of a sudden he was selling the same as everyone else, like Madonna, George Michael or Whitney. | |
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Cinnie said: SoulAlive said: I heard that,when he was recording 'Bad',he took a piece of paper,wrote the words "80 Million Copies" on it,and taped it to his mirror.Each day when he woke up and looked in the mirror,he saw the message.It was his motivation,to top what he had done before. I read that too, in different biographies... I'm suprised Marrk never heard of this. Very telling that his goal was commercial. He could have wrote "NINE PERFECT SONGS" on that piece of paper, yknow? Of course i heard that, but i don't choose to believe it. I think i first read that in 'The Sun', so that's my reason for not swallowing it. |
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Marrk said: Cinnie said: I read that too, in different biographies... I'm suprised Marrk never heard of this. Very telling that his goal was commercial. He could have wrote "NINE PERFECT SONGS" on that piece of paper, yknow? Of course i heard that, but i don't choose to believe it. I think i first read that in 'The Sun', so that's my reason for not swallowing it. Oh word wrd wd, I thought u was Jacko expert | |
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Cinnie said: Marrk said: Of course i heard that, but i don't choose to believe it. I think i first read that in 'The Sun', so that's my reason for not swallowing it. Oh word wrd wd, I thought u was Jacko expert
MJ was always commercial but there was also this artistic feel about past albums he did. Up until Invincible at least. | |
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