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He may well have lost his voice by now, but the real reason MJ never sings live anymore is that... He has a memory like a sieve! 
Link: http://www.youtube.com/wa...JpLGQpngDI If you discount the fact that he can't remember half the first verse, it's still a pretty good performance, though.  [Edited 1/16/09 9:01am] | |
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Hell, he don't even lip-synch no more!
'Embedding disabled by request' message cause i think the org has requested url's to videos on Youtube only (which is a good idea). Was that Dirty Diana from the bad tour by any chance? if it was, yes i agree. good performance. bit of a mess at the end tho. |
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Marrk said: Hell, he don't even lip-synch no more!
'Embedding disabled by request' message cause i think the org has requested url's to videos on Youtube only (which is a good idea). Was that Dirty Diana from the bad tour by any chance? if it was, yes i agree. good performance. bit of a mess at the end tho. Yep, that's the one! I edited the post.  | |
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*cough* Bullshit. *cough*
The video is "not available in my country", but if it's Dirty Diana, you should have noticed that he was struggling to hit some of the notes on that. His mumbling some of the words was more than likely caused in part by those vocal difficulties. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: *cough* Bullshit. *cough*
The video is "not available in my country", but if it's Dirty Diana, you should have noticed that he was struggling to hit some of the notes on that. His mumbling some of the words was more than likely caused in part by those vocal difficulties. Probably, but my version is funnier.
Edit: Actually, I do think he has forgotten. You're right that he's struggling in some places, but if that was the reason for the mumbling, you'd have thought he would mumble something that sounded at least vaguely like the actual lyrics. Plus, he has a history of forgetting his own lyrics, so I don't think it's far-fetched. [Edited 1/16/09 9:17am] | |
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midnightmover said: *cough* Bullshit. *cough*
The video is "not available in my country", but if it's Dirty Diana, you should have noticed that he was struggling to hit some of the notes on that. His mumbling some of the words was more than likely caused in part by those vocal difficulties. well that's your opinion. Nothing wrong with being rough round the edges when you're performing with the intensity he was back then. I'd love to know what song he did beforehand, it's not easy singing and dancing live and he did that throughout the bad tour. Besides we got carbon-copies in later tours, due to all the bloody lip-synching! My opinion is that was his choice to perform it the way he did, very quick and breathey in the versus, he's a rythmic singer, or at least was anyway!  |
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Annika said: midnightmover said: *cough* Bullshit. *cough*
The video is "not available in my country", but if it's Dirty Diana, you should have noticed that he was struggling to hit some of the notes on that. His mumbling some of the words was more than likely caused in part by those vocal difficulties. Probably, but my version is funnier.
Edit: Actually, I do think he has forgotten. You're right that he's struggling in some places, but if that was the reason for the mumbling, you'd have thought he would mumble something that sounded at least vaguely like the actual lyrics. Plus, he has a history of forgetting his own lyrics, so I don't think it's far-fetched. [Edited 1/16/09 9:17am] Does he? Before the Bad Tour I don't remember him forgetting any lyrics. Seems a bit of a coincidence that he starts mumbling words at the same time as his voice started cracking up. He certainly didn't forget any words on the '87 leg of the tour when he was sounding great. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Wait! what's he doing with that microphone stand? never noticed that before. And i bought this off Itunes! |
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I'm sorry but i did this when I heard this: 
That sounded rough. From vocals to the forgetfulness. I know we all have bad days but damn Mike. DAMN!!! I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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midnightmover said: Annika said: Probably, but my version is funnier.
Edit: Actually, I do think he has forgotten. You're right that he's struggling in some places, but if that was the reason for the mumbling, you'd have thought he would mumble something that sounded at least vaguely like the actual lyrics. Plus, he has a history of forgetting his own lyrics, so I don't think it's far-fetched. [Edited 1/16/09 9:17am] Does he? Before the Bad Tour I don't remember him forgetting any lyrics. Seems a bit of a coincidence that he starts mumbling words at the same time as his voice started cracking up. He certainly didn't forget any words on the '87 leg of the tour when he was sounding great. I was talking about depositions and stuff, but since they all came after the Bad tour, you may have a point. Either way, it's funny. | |
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Marrk said: midnightmover said: *cough* Bullshit. *cough*
The video is "not available in my country", but if it's Dirty Diana, you should have noticed that he was struggling to hit some of the notes on that. His mumbling some of the words was more than likely caused in part by those vocal difficulties. well that's your opinion. Nothing wrong with being rough round the edges when you're performing with the intensity he was back then. I'd love to know what song he did beforehand, it's not easy singing and dancing live and he did that throughout the bad tour. Besides we got carbon-copies in later tours, due to all the bloody lip-synching! My opinion is that was his choice to perform it the way he did, very quick and breathey in the versus, he's a rythmic singer, or at least was anyway! It's not my opinion that he struggled to get the high notes. That's a fact that anyone with ears should be able to hear. Don't get me wrong though. Michael was still a bad mutha in these days, but the decline was underway. Funnily enough I recently stumbled on an acapella version of Black or White on Youtube (link below), and I never noticed it before but his voice is slipping in a few places there too. Usually in studio recordings they iron out the creases, but obviously on Black or White they decided to let it slide... Starting with "It's true either you're wrong or you're RIGHT" in the second verse you start to hear him slip a few notes, specifically the word "white" in "black or white". He sings that "white" perfectly in the first verse, but after that he loses control of the word. It's always the case with Michael that he starts fresh and goes downhill the more singing he does. That's why the lipsynching increases as each tour progresses, and apparently the main vocal on BOW (at least until the ad-libs at the end) was done in one take which explains why he starts stronger than he finishes. He's singing this song with mad character though. Apart from those slips it's a great vocal performance, but those slips were a small sign of an ongoing problem that would get worse the more singing he did. http://uk.youtube.com/wat...KEaLNTo1Nk [Edited 1/16/09 9:50am] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: Marrk said: well that's your opinion. Nothing wrong with being rough round the edges when you're performing with the intensity he was back then. I'd love to know what song he did beforehand, it's not easy singing and dancing live and he did that throughout the bad tour. Besides we got carbon-copies in later tours, due to all the bloody lip-synching! My opinion is that was his choice to perform it the way he did, very quick and breathey in the versus, he's a rythmic singer, or at least was anyway! It's not my opinion that he struggled to get the high notes. That's a fact that anyone with ears should be able to hear. Don't get me wrong though. Michael was still a bad mutha in these days, but the decline was underway. Funnily enough I recently stumbled on an acapella version of Black or White on Youtube (link below), and I never noticed it before but his voice is slipping in a few places there too. Usually in studio recordings they iron out the creases, but obviously on Black or White they decided to let it slide... Starting with "It's true either you're wrong or you're RIGHT" in the second verse you start to hear him slip a few notes, specifically the word "white" in "black or white". He sings that "white" perfectly in the first verse, but after that he loses control of the word. It's always the case with Michael that he starts fresh and goes downhill the more singing he does. That's why the lipsynching increases as each tour progresses. He's singing this song with mad character though. Apart from those slips it's a great vocal performance, but those slips were a small sign of an ongoing problem that would get worse the more singing he did. http://uk.youtube.com/wat...KEaLNTo1Nk Well he never sang the word 'Thriller' at all in 'Thriller' he has possibly the worst delivery of words ever by almost anyone, bar JB.What's that word? 'enunciating', i forget, no clue how to spell it either!
but that's Michael, you have always needed a lyric sheet with the guy, even going back as far as his J5 Days. [Edited 1/16/09 9:54am] |
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That dude always try to be perfect, but I love the imperfectionism. He shouldn't have tried to lipped it up.  That performance was good tho. | |
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Marrk said: midnightmover said: It's not my opinion that he struggled to get the high notes. That's a fact that anyone with ears should be able to hear. Don't get me wrong though. Michael was still a bad mutha in these days, but the decline was underway. Funnily enough I recently stumbled on an acapella version of Black or White on Youtube (link below), and I never noticed it before but his voice is slipping in a few places there too. Usually in studio recordings they iron out the creases, but obviously on Black or White they decided to let it slide... Starting with "It's true either you're wrong or you're RIGHT" in the second verse you start to hear him slip a few notes, specifically the word "white" in "black or white". He sings that "white" perfectly in the first verse, but after that he loses control of the word. It's always the case with Michael that he starts fresh and goes downhill the more singing he does. That's why the lipsynching increases as each tour progresses. He's singing this song with mad character though. Apart from those slips it's a great vocal performance, but those slips were a small sign of an ongoing problem that would get worse the more singing he did. http://uk.youtube.com/wat...KEaLNTo1Nk Well he never sang the word 'Thriller' at all in 'Thriller' he has possibly the worst delivery of words ever by almost anyone, bar JB.What's that word? 'enunciating', i forget, no clue how to spell it either! I'm not talking about enunciation. I'm talking about holding the note. He's note perfect on "Thriller". If you listen to the acappella version of "Black Or White" you'll hear he slips up on the word "right" in the second verse and struggles to hold the notes on the word "white" for the rest of the song. I never noticed it before until I heard the acapella version. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: Marrk said: Well he never sang the word 'Thriller' at all in 'Thriller' he has possibly the worst delivery of words ever by almost anyone, bar JB.What's that word? 'enunciating', i forget, no clue how to spell it either! I'm not talking about enunciation. I'm talking about holding the note. He's note perfect on "Thriller". If you listen to the acappella version of "Black Or White" you'll hear he slips up on the word "right" in the second verse and struggles to hold the notes on the word "white" for the rest of the song. I never noticed it before until I heard the acapella version. I have it, along with all the 'Dangerous' acappella's. You heard the 'Give In To Me' one, not perfect too, but i swear he's laughing at how good he is towards the end. and he is. To me, note perfect is boring, and represents to me what is going on today within RnB, too crisp, too clean. The acappella's are warts and all, and that to me is kinda cool. You seen his 'We are the world' guide track?, shit that's ace, Michael moving about, even on a low tempo number, maybe that's the problem, i can imagine him moving around while he's recording.  |
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Marrk said: Wait! what's he doing with that microphone stand? never noticed that before. And i bought this off Itunes!
Yeah! what was he doing with that mike stand?  | |
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angel345 said: Marrk said: Wait! what's he doing with that microphone stand? never noticed that before. And i bought this off Itunes!
Yeah! what was he doing with that mike stand? He was trying to add some "tension" to the performance, I guess... | |
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Timmy84 said: angel345 said: Yeah! what was he doing with that mike stand? He was trying to add some "tension" to the performance, I guess... "Trying" to add some tension?  | |
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I was crazy about this performance and thought of Prince a little and was wishing mj was still performing like that when I first saw it 5 years ago. I think he was trying to live up to Darlin Nikki on the Purple Rain tour, which I'm in love with right now | |
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Annika said: He has a memory like a sieve!
Link: http://www.youtube.com/wa...JpLGQpngDI If you discount the fact that he can't remember half the first verse, it's still a pretty good performance, though.
[Edited 1/16/09 9:01am] cher tours with telepromters. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Marrk said: midnightmover said: I'm not talking about enunciation. I'm talking about holding the note. He's note perfect on "Thriller". If you listen to the acappella version of "Black Or White" you'll hear he slips up on the word "right" in the second verse and struggles to hold the notes on the word "white" for the rest of the song. I never noticed it before until I heard the acapella version. I have it, along with all the 'Dangerous' acappella's. You heard the 'Give In To Me' one, not perfect too, but i swear he's laughing at how good he is towards the end. and he is. To me, note perfect is boring, and represents to me what is going on today within RnB, too crisp, too clean. The acappella's are warts and all, and that to me is kinda cool. Really? So I take it you must hate all Michael's earlier note perfect vocal performances then. By that logic you may as well throw out the whole Thriller album. Michael should be ashamed of holding his notes so well.
The real point is that the slip ups on Black or White are just an inkling of what you heard much more of in his increasingly rare live vocals in the 90s. It's unusual that Bill Botrell didn't patch up those slips. But I guess the harmonies they added to those lines did a good job of camouflaging the mistakes, because even I never noticed them before. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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ehuffnsd said: Annika said: He has a memory like a sieve!
Link: http://www.youtube.com/wa...JpLGQpngDI If you discount the fact that he can't remember half the first verse, it's still a pretty good performance, though.
[Edited 1/16/09 9:01am] cher tours with telepromters. Shhhh! You don't want to ruin another excuse for MJ's miming by pointing out simple flaws in the logic. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: Marrk said: Well he never sang the word 'Thriller' at all in 'Thriller' he has possibly the worst delivery of words ever by almost anyone, bar JB.What's that word? 'enunciating', i forget, no clue how to spell it either! I'm not talking about enunciation. I'm talking about holding the note. He's note perfect on "Thriller". If you listen to the acappella version of "Black Or White" you'll hear he slips up on the word "right" in the second verse and struggles to hold the notes on the word "white" for the rest of the song. I never noticed it before until I heard the acapella version. im pretty sure 'black or white' is a scratch vocal yea, i know... | |
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TheBoyfromtheBand said: midnightmover said: I'm not talking about enunciation. I'm talking about holding the note. He's note perfect on "Thriller". If you listen to the acappella version of "Black Or White" you'll hear he slips up on the word "right" in the second verse and struggles to hold the notes on the word "white" for the rest of the song. I never noticed it before until I heard the acapella version. im pretty sure 'black or white' is a scratch vocal Yeah, judging from those mistakes I heard I'd agree. It's worth remembering though that throughout the 70s, pretty much all Michael's vocals were scratch vocals. "Ben" for instance was recorded in a single take and it's flawless. Most of the OTW vocals were done in just a handful of takes. After the Dangerous Tour I doubt if Michael was ever capable of recording a respectable scratch vocal again. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: Annika said: Probably, but my version is funnier.
Edit: Actually, I do think he has forgotten. You're right that he's struggling in some places, but if that was the reason for the mumbling, you'd have thought he would mumble something that sounded at least vaguely like the actual lyrics. Plus, he has a history of forgetting his own lyrics, so I don't think it's far-fetched. [Edited 1/16/09 9:17am] Does he? Before the Bad Tour I don't remember him forgetting any lyrics. Seems a bit of a coincidence that he starts mumbling words at the same time as his voice started cracking up. He certainly didn't forget any words on the '87 leg of the tour when he was sounding great. I do. I've seen a couple of performances from the 77-81 period where he would forget lyrics but he'd make up for it by singing another lyric "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: midnightmover said: Does he? Before the Bad Tour I don't remember him forgetting any lyrics. Seems a bit of a coincidence that he starts mumbling words at the same time as his voice started cracking up. He certainly didn't forget any words on the '87 leg of the tour when he was sounding great. I do. I've seen a couple of performances from the 77-81 period where he would forget lyrics but he'd make up for it by singing another lyric Well, it's certainly not a persistent enough problem to excuse any lipsycnching. I've heard tons of MJ concerts and he doesn't forget words anymore than any other singer. I can think of many more occasions when Prince has forgotten words than MJ. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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alphastreet said: I was crazy about this performance and thought of Prince a little and was wishing mj was still performing like that when I first saw it 5 years ago. I think he was trying to live up to Darlin Nikki on the Purple Rain tour, which I'm in love with right now
Unlike Prince, he didn't fling some woman's panties in the audience during one of his performance. I think he knows how far to go with sexy. Prince is just VERY nasty. However, I didn't see him do that in one of the concerts I went to many years ago. | |
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 Anymore?
Motown 25 - Lip Synced Grammys 1988 "comeback" - Lip Synced Super Bowl - Lip Synced MTV 1995 "comeback" - Lip Synced Soul Train 1995 "comeback" - Lip Synced CBS MSG 2001 "comeback" - Lip Synced Sure there was a moment here or there in that 2001 where the mic was on. Same with the grammys - but his voice sounded like shit! Which tells everyone the guy is a Studio Musican. Every Major TV performance was Lip Synced - Now we are at the point of not even performing because he can't dance anymore! That last 2001 Concert they clipped both nights performances together and just edited -back and forth inbetween the dancing so it would make it appear he could still do that! (((( 100% Proof = The Billie Jean Peformance )))) WATCH The Microphone - appear and disappear from his hand!!!
http://www.youtube.com/wa...2nTSbHfJvk It's IN his Hand.... THEN It's NOT in his Hand - You can see they had a problem with it going back and forth so much that they had to use a cut away shot of the crowd with a fan holding a sign... to make it all work!
The World has known since his Solo Career started that the guy can't sing live! When the mic is turned on he sounds like shit! If he didnt he wouldnt LIP SYNC his WHOLE Solo Career from His Prime - To his Fall. No excuses!! Turn the microphone ON and just SING! Very simple and all of you know if he could - he would. You dont do this smoke & mirrors crap for every major event if there isn't something your hiding! Now.. You can't "lip sync" dancing and thats why YOU wont ever see him perform again! All YOU will see is him wearing something goofy - tipping off the press - tipping off YOU GUYS - going somewhere and then hoping someone will talk about it online or hopefully get on the news! 
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ElectricBlue said: Anymore?
Motown 25 - Lip Synced Grammys 1988 "comeback" - Lip Synced Super Bowl - Lip Synced MTV 1995 "comeback" - Lip Synced Soul Train 1995 "comeback" - Lip Synced CBS MSG 2001 "comeback" - Lip Synced Sure there was a moment here or there in that 2001 where the mic was on. Same with the grammys - but his voice sounded like shit! Which tells everyone the guy is a Studio Musican. Every Major TV performance was Lip Synced - Now we are at the point of not even performing because he can't dance anymore! That last 2001 Concert they clipped both nights performances together and just edited -back and forth inbetween the dancing so it would make it appear he could still do that! (((( 100% Proof = The Billie Jean Peformance )))) WATCH The Microphone - appear and disappear from his hand!!!
http://www.youtube.com/wa...2nTSbHfJvk It's IN his Hand.... THEN It's NOT in his Hand - You can see they had a problem with it going back and forth so much that they had to use a cut away shot of the crowd with a fan holding a sign... to make it all work!
The World has known since his Solo Career started that the guy can't sing live! When the mic is turned on he sounds like shit! If he didnt he wouldnt LIP SYNC his WHOLE Solo Career from His Prime - To his Fall. No excuses!! Turn the microphone ON and just SING! Very simple and all of you know if he could - he would. You dont do this smoke & mirrors crap for every major event if there isn't something your hiding! Now.. You can't "lip sync" dancing and thats why YOU wont ever see him perform again! All YOU will see is him wearing something goofy - tipping off the press - tipping off YOU GUYS - going somewhere and then hoping someone will talk about it online or hopefully get on the news!
Nice Career! Why don't we ever see you until a thread like this pops up? "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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ElectricBlue said: Anymore?
Motown 25 - Lip Synced Grammys 1988 "comeback" - Lip Synced Super Bowl - Lip Synced MTV 1995 "comeback" - Lip Synced Soul Train 1995 "comeback" - Lip Synced CBS MSG 2001 "comeback" - Lip Synced Wasn't that Soul Train 1992 where he performed "Remember The Time" sitting in a chair but still not live? And of course, 90% of the HIStory tour was lipsynched as well. | |
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