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I don't know about what it feels like to sing, and i dont care its not something that interest me. But i have two ears and eyes, and mariah's performance was not up to par. she does not sing like she did 15 years ago and that is a fact. Right now im comparing mariah to herself. And she can't even sing like she did 1995. I don't know what happen but all of her recent performances have not been great and she looks stiff, embarrassed, and nervous. Disconnected from the crowd. That is NOT hate its the truth and fact. exactly, you have no idea at all. Zero. You oversimplified something so technical into something so secondary. stop wasting my time. once again you seem to take one thing and run with it. Who cares what your tidy definition of success is or your commentary on the state of music today? Your views are formed on half-assed listens, innuendoes, hype and gossip. You major in the obvious because you do not have a rebuttal strong enough to prop up against up mine. Let me educate you. Mariah has been plagued with criticisms of her voice from mindless critics from her inception as a phenomenon for decades: for over-singing, for over stylising, for underperforming, for her melismatic singing style which most artists utilised back then, on towards her whispery and hip hop flavoured stylizations - these criticisms permeate her pre and post-Butterfly days. Mariah understands her voice more so than any other person and will use it accordingly to fit a song, add strength or nuance to it. There’s more to it than just raw power and belting out for the sake of belting out. Rather her vocals have not diminished as you and many have suggested, rather you do not understand the subtleties which are within her vocal range. Mariah is a classically trained artist utilising a contemporary sound. The claims of disconnectedness are trivial. Once again you fall short. Your comments are pointless. Just because you have two ears doesnt mean anything. For the record, hating is being ignorant of the facts and their legitimacy. If you can’t commit, i suggest you bow out immediately. Whatever you do, don’t make a comeback. I'm sure Mariah is more aware of her vocal abilities than anyone else here ion this thread, but as a longtime fan of this woman, I saw this performance and said to myself, "WTF happened to her voice?"  I know that her vocal abilities have diminished somewhat over time, but her overall vocals were rougher then they used to be, and she skipped most of her big notes, and those she did sing she struggled to hit. Now it could be that she has some nodes on her vocal chords, or that maybe she gained some weight since we last saw her. When it comes to vocals and singing we tend to focus so much on a person's vocal chords, but their breathing has a lot to do with it, and the power of the voice is affected by the lungs and other parts of the body. At any rate, she didn't sound as good by her own standards as she has been in the past.
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I don't understand how many are saying that she didn't sound good. I think Mariah did a good job of keeping in tune with the song, I didn't really hear where she actually messed up and she did hit some notes. No its not going to be the same as when she originally performed it, of course she was in her early 20's then and now she's hitting 40...  why wouldn't she sing it differently? It's been years now, her voiced has changed...but she can still sing. I would have preferred to hear her over Beyonce.I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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It's official: Her voice is GONE. 
Don't believe it? Compare that inaugural atrocity to this: [Edited 1/25/09 11:07am] | |
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I think things changed for Mariah when she shifted the focus from her voice to her physical image. When she would perform and focus solely on the voice, she sounded better. But now she seems equally focused on being a visual artist and it's a hat that doesn't quite fit her comfortably. She seems uneasy a lot of the time like she's struggling. Singing those challenging songs AND worrying about looking "sexy" simultaneously would be difficult for anyone. | |
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piepie1976 said: I think things changed for Mariah when she shifted the focus from her voice to her physical image. When she would perform and focus solely on the voice, she sounded better. But now she seems equally focused on being a visual artist and it's a hat that doesn't quite fit her comfortably. She seems uneasy a lot of the time like she's struggling. Singing those challenging songs AND worrying about looking "sexy" simultaneously would be difficult for anyone.
You have brought up a great point...I've noticed this, but just didn't know how to put it into words. She does sing like she's preoccupied...could be because she thinks she's "fat" or something?  when she's actually not, she has more weight on her than in her hey day, but she still looks good.[Edited 1/25/09 11:26am] I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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missfee said: piepie1976 said: I think things changed for Mariah when she shifted the focus from her voice to her physical image. When she would perform and focus solely on the voice, she sounded better. But now she seems equally focused on being a visual artist and it's a hat that doesn't quite fit her comfortably. She seems uneasy a lot of the time like she's struggling. Singing those challenging songs AND worrying about looking "sexy" simultaneously would be difficult for anyone.
You have brought up a great point...I've noticed this, but just didn't know how to put it into words. She does sing like she's preoccupied...could be because she thinks she's "fat" or something? when she's actually not, she has more weight on her than in her hey day, but she still looks good.
[Edited 1/25/09 11:26am]  Mariah's constantly turning her head to her "good" side while singing. Despite the distractions, her voice has just degraded as she's gotten older. This happens to most singers as they get age. Cissy Houston and Whitney are great examples. Whitney's lifestyle prolly played into it but listening to Cissy, Dionne, and Aretha the steady decline in their vocal quality is obvious to me and I bet mostly attributable to age.  | |
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viciuzurban said: TotalAlisa said: I don't know about what it feels like to sing, and i dont care its not something that interest me. But i have two ears and eyes, and mariah's performance was not up to par. she does not sing like she did 15 years ago and that is a fact. Right now im comparing mariah to herself. And she can't even sing like she did 1995. I don't know what happen but all of her recent performances have not been great and she looks stiff, embarrassed, and nervous. Disconnected from the crowd. That is NOT hate its the truth and fact. exactly, you have no idea at all. Zero. You oversimplified something so technical into something so secondary. stop wasting my time. once again you seem to take one thing and run with it. Who cares what your tidy definition of success is or your commentary on the state of music today? Your views are formed on half-assed listens, innuendoes, hype and gossip. You major in the obvious because you do not have a rebuttal strong enough to prop up against up mine. Let me educate you. Mariah has been plagued with criticisms of her voice from mindless critics from her inception as a phenomenon for decades: for over-singing, for over stylising, for underperforming, for her melismatic singing style which most artists utilised back then, on towards her whispery and hip hop flavoured stylizations - these criticisms permeate her pre and post-Butterfly days. Mariah understands her voice more so than any other person and will use it accordingly to fit a song, add strength or nuance to it. There’s more to it than just raw power and belting out for the sake of belting out. Rather her vocals have not diminished as you and many have suggested, rather you do not understand the subtleties which are within her vocal range. Mariah is a classically trained artist utilising a contemporary sound. The claims of disconnectedness are trivial. Once again you fall short. Your comments are pointless. Just because you have two ears doesnt mean anything. For the record, hating is being ignorant of the facts and their legitimacy. If you can’t commit, i suggest you bow out immediately. Whatever you do, don’t make a comeback.  You are such a JOKE.
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SCNDLS said: missfee said: You have brought up a great point...I've noticed this, but just didn't know how to put it into words. She does sing like she's preoccupied...could be because she thinks she's "fat" or something? when she's actually not, she has more weight on her than in her hey day, but she still looks good.
[Edited 1/25/09 11:26am] Mariah's constantly turning her head to her "good" side while singing. Despite the distractions, her voice has just degraded as she's gotten older. This happens to most singers as they get age. Cissy Houston and Whitney are great examples. Whitney's lifestyle prolly played into it but listening to Cissy, Dionne, and Aretha the steady decline in their vocal quality is obvious to me and I bet mostly attributable to age. LOL at Mariah's good side. Don't get me wrong, I love Mariah, but seriously, she's so beautiful and has always been so damned worried about her good side. www.maximum-jackson.com
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Mariah was a mess, as usual. Beyoncé & Mary J. outshined her with their performances. I wouldn't have even included her in the line-up given all her performances in the last 5 years. love is a fate resigned memories mar my mind love it is a fate resigned Over futile odds and laughed at by the Gods and now the final frame Love is a losing game |
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kitbradley said: Mimi's song choice was PERFECT because Obama is a Hero and the lyrics totally described him!
[Edited 1/22/09 12:58pm] Didn't she write the song because some dude killed some chicks on a subway in New York or something? | |
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Her voice aint tha same, but that woman is still sexy!! I love me some Mariah mmm mmm mmm   | |
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I read on MSN that she gave them hell at the Inaugural Ball because she wanted good front row seats. She was acting divarish. | |
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ScarletScandal said: kitbradley said: Mimi's song choice was PERFECT because Obama is a Hero and the lyrics totally described him!
[Edited 1/22/09 12:58pm] Didn't she write the song because some dude killed some chicks on a subway in New York or something? She wrote the song for some shitty movie, can't remember who was in it now. When Tommy heard it he said that it was too good for the movie, so Luther did the movie song instead. | |
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TotalAlisa said: viciuzurban said: exactly, you have no idea at all. Zero. You oversimplified something so technical into something so secondary. stop wasting my time. once again you seem to take one thing and run with it. Who cares what your tidy definition of success is or your commentary on the state of music today? Your views are formed on half-assed listens, innuendoes, hype and gossip. You major in the obvious because you do not have a rebuttal strong enough to prop up against up mine. Let me educate you. Mariah has been plagued with criticisms of her voice from mindless critics from her inception as a phenomenon for decades: for over-singing, for over stylising, for underperforming, for her melismatic singing style which most artists utilised back then, on towards her whispery and hip hop flavoured stylizations - these criticisms permeate her pre and post-Butterfly days. Mariah understands her voice more so than any other person and will use it accordingly to fit a song, add strength or nuance to it. There’s more to it than just raw power and belting out for the sake of belting out. Rather her vocals have not diminished as you and many have suggested, rather you do not understand the subtleties which are within her vocal range. Mariah is a classically trained artist utilising a contemporary sound. The claims of disconnectedness are trivial. Once again you fall short. Your comments are pointless. Just because you have two ears doesnt mean anything. For the record, hating is being ignorant of the facts and their legitimacy. If you can’t commit, i suggest you bow out immediately. Whatever you do, don’t make a comeback. You are such a JOKE.
i don't really care anyways. wow this white bitch lost and she's still going. godddamn cared much? | |
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Only a douche bag could defend this performance. Woeful beyond belief. She's ruined her voice through misuse. She's incapable of holding a note these days. Fuck all the dog whistle shit...that's what it can do to your voice if you don't have the technique to support it. | |
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