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Reply #30 posted 01/20/09 12:23am

woogiebear

WHAT'S EVEN MORE FU**ED UP IS THE FACT THAT BOBBY WOMACK WORE ONE OF SAM COOKE'S SUITS TO THE FUNERAL!!!!!
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WHAT A FRIEND!!!!!
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Reply #31 posted 01/20/09 12:35am

Timmy84

woogiebear said:

WHAT'S EVEN MORE FU**ED UP IS THE FACT THAT BOBBY WOMACK WORE ONE OF SAM COOKE'S SUITS TO THE FUNERAL!!!!!
eek eek eek eek eek
WHAT A FRIEND!!!!!
eek eek eek eek eek


Sam Cooke's brothers beat him up at a hotel he and Barbara Cooke were staying at in New York somewhere. They said they beat him so bad he had like a big ass knot on the right side of his head. He said after that incident, he began to wear his glasses more often.
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Reply #32 posted 01/20/09 1:46am

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marnifrances said:



Thanks again- really fascinating read (i finally got through all of it). I read most of it out to my mum as well, who remembered his death and the way it was portrayed (that he was a terrible "root-rat" who's philandering ways had caught up with him) but had forgotten the details. She said before his death she'd heard nothing but praise about him and his life. Very enlightening. nod


Sounds like your mama had it about right. Sam was a married man out catting around with a prostitute at a seedy $3/night hotel.

It is what it is.

The man was murdered b/c he went busting up in Bertha's room naked and out of his mind with anger. The woman was what? 55 years old to his 33? During the scuffle she shot him--as many women would have.

Black people love a conspiracy theory.

What is THAT all about?


People love a conspiracy theory lol I love them!
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Reply #33 posted 01/20/09 2:12am

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As with many of our great artists, they have issues that some would frown upon in their personalities and characters.
Bobby Womack took up with the widow Barbara Cooke in some estimations, way too soon. It was rumored they had been rolling in the hay prior to Sam's death.
Sam Cooke was almost caught in a hotel with a very young Aretha Franklin in Atlanta during one of her father's gospel tours. (BTW she was under 18 at the time).
There was no mob hit on Cooke - he was killed by the motel desk clerk as reported with nothing on but a sports coat and shoes.
Womanizng is so a part of this culture, especially amongs African-American males, but hell look who our examples were; 'massah'
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Reply #34 posted 01/20/09 5:29am

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As with many of our great artists, they have issues that some would frown upon in their personalities and characters.
Bobby Womack took up with the widow Barbara Cooke in some estimations, way too soon. It was rumored they had been rolling in the hay prior to Sam's death.
Sam Cooke was almost caught in a hotel with a very young Aretha Franklin in Atlanta during one of her father's gospel tours. (BTW she was under 18 at the time).
There was no mob hit on Cooke - he was killed by the motel desk clerk as reported with nothing on but a sports coat and shoes.
Womanizng is so a part of this culture, especially amongs African-American males, but hell look who our examples were; 'massah'


JAMES BROWN, SAM COOKE, JACKIE WILSON, WILSON PICKETT, IKE TURNER, JOHNNY "GUITAR" WATSON, SLY, PRINCE, etc.
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Reply #35 posted 01/20/09 6:11am

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As with many of our great artists, they have issues that some would frown upon in their personalities and characters.
Bobby Womack took up with the widow Barbara Cooke in some estimations, way too soon. It was rumored they had been rolling in the hay prior to Sam's death.
Sam Cooke was almost caught in a hotel with a very young Aretha Franklin in Atlanta during one of her father's gospel tours. (BTW she was under 18 at the time).
There was no mob hit on Cooke - he was killed by the motel desk clerk as reported with nothing on but a sports coat and shoes.
Womanizng is so a part of this culture, especially amongs African-American males, but hell look who our examples were; 'massah'


oh brother...there goes another one...wtf? ... who makes up these sterotypes ..next you'll be saying elvis wasn't really racsit... lol or the romans didn't like sex ... lol lol
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Reply #36 posted 01/20/09 6:15am

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Interesting read. Thanks.
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Reply #37 posted 01/20/09 7:08am

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The problem is that the police report and the particulars of the case turn that compelling story and plausible theory into a grotesque lie. The examination of Cooke’s case files by Dr Rodney Muhammad, Show that the LAPD was either on the take or did an investigation that went beyond any definition of absurdity. Records show that Franklin changed her story four times upon extensive questioning, with her story evolving from self defense, to a robbery, to a crime of passion, to a case of mistaken identity. Yet there were no charges of perjury or any action taken against her. There was no questioning or physical examination of Boyer to see if she had been raped. It was reported that his car was running and a Muhammad Speaks newspaper was on the back seat. There was also blood and black skin on the outside of the motel and inside Cooke’s car.


Yet the most damming evidence against the LAPD version of events lied in Cooke’s pathology report. Where as the official story was that Cooke died from several bullets; the report said only bullet in his body was between the 3rd and 4th rib precisely where there would be no bone to obstruct the passage way between the bullet and his heart; a shot that would kill him instantly. That kind of precise shooting was a trademark for both LA mob gunmen and the nation of Islam’s henchmen. The most glaring fact that destroys the police argument is the welt on Cooke’s head. The report said that it came as a result of the pressure of a huge blunt object, not the wooden broom stick that Franklin said she hit him with several times over. That meant that there would be no way that she could have gave him that bruise after she shot him; because, to quote Dr Muhammad, "the volume depletion of blood and fluid due to the massive internal bleeding, (not enough fluid left to make a head blow swell) and the heart had stopped pumping altogether which would result in an aborted inflammatory response."


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Singer Etta James revealed in her book "Rage To Survive," that Cooke was so badly beaten that his head was decapitated from his shoulders, his hands were broken and crushed, his nose was smashed and he had a two inch bump on his head. These injuries were never explained and a woman could not inflict these type of injuries.

Bertha Franklin had a .32 registered in her name yet she killed Cooke with a .22, she would move to Michigan and die eighteen months later.

Lisa Boyer would be arrested for prostitution one month after Cookes death and in 1979 she would be found guilty of second degree murder in the shooting death of her boyfriend.


With the facts here, theres definately something more to this situation that meets the eye.

And if he was shot and on the floor dying, why would the lady juts decide to start beating him with a broom stick anyway?

I know y'all have already dismissed the whole mob theory, but its a mob tactic to use a woman to set up a a male target. Why would he be fuckin with a prostitute?
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Reply #38 posted 01/20/09 8:00am

Thex

Thanks Timmy, interesting read.
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Reply #39 posted 01/20/09 12:08pm

kcherisse1977

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Warning: picture of a dead music legend



disbelief

Sorry for posting it but they had it from where I posted it.


omg! No words, just no words.
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Reply #40 posted 01/20/09 2:21pm

Timmy84

kcherisse1977 said:

Timmy84 said:

Warning: picture of a dead music legend



disbelief

Sorry for posting it but they had it from where I posted it.


omg! No words, just no words.


Sad, ain't it?
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Reply #41 posted 01/20/09 2:42pm

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woogiebear said:

WHAT'S EVEN MORE FU**ED UP IS THE FACT THAT BOBBY WOMACK WORE ONE OF SAM COOKE'S SUITS TO THE FUNERAL!!!!!
eek eek eek eek eek
WHAT A FRIEND!!!!!
eek eek eek eek eek

NOOO!! falloff
too scandalous
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Reply #42 posted 01/22/09 9:30am

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As with many of our great artists, they have issues that some would frown upon in their personalities and characters.
Bobby Womack took up with the widow Barbara Cooke in some estimations, way too soon. It was rumored they had been rolling in the hay prior to Sam's death.
Sam Cooke was almost caught in a hotel with a very young Aretha Franklin in Atlanta during one of her father's gospel tours. (BTW she was under 18 at the time).
There was no mob hit on Cooke - he was killed by the motel desk clerk as reported with nothing on but a sports coat and shoes.
Womanizng is so a part of this culture, especially amongs African-American males, but hell look who our examples were; 'massah'

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Well anyone that dismisses the mob’s involvement with the music industry needs to go do some research. It is possible that Sam was killed by the mob since he was one of the few artists that owned his own publishing and record company. In addition, to that according to his manager he liked hookers and had been seen with this woman before.

Everytime he went into a seedy motel with a hooker he was taking a chance of having his wallet stolen. According to his manager he had 5,000.00 in his wallet when he left their office that day and the wallet was found completely empty and the woman was later arrested for prosetute In addition, to the comments that Etta James made about Sam facial and head wounds being so bad the family had a closed casket.

It is not a conspiracy when the facts do not add up in a pre-civil rights world.
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Reply #43 posted 01/22/09 5:35pm

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laurarichardson said:

RnBAmbassador said:

As with many of our great artists, they have issues that some would frown upon in their personalities and characters.
Bobby Womack took up with the widow Barbara Cooke in some estimations, way too soon. It was rumored they had been rolling in the hay prior to Sam's death.
Sam Cooke was almost caught in a hotel with a very young Aretha Franklin in Atlanta during one of her father's gospel tours. (BTW she was under 18 at the time).
There was no mob hit on Cooke - he was killed by the motel desk clerk as reported with nothing on but a sports coat and shoes.
Womanizng is so a part of this culture, especially amongs African-American males, but hell look who our examples were; 'massah'

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Well anyone that dismisses the mob’s involvement with the music industry needs to go do some research. It is possible that Sam was killed by the mob since he was one of the few artists that owned his own publishing and record company. In addition, to that according to his manager he liked hookers and had been seen with this woman before.

Everytime he went into a seedy motel with a hooker he was taking a chance of having his wallet stolen. According to his manager he had 5,000.00 in his wallet when he left their office that day and the wallet was found completely empty and the woman was later arrested for prosetute In addition, to the comments that Etta James made about Sam facial and head wounds being so bad the family had a closed casket.

It is not a conspiracy when the facts do not add up in a pre-civil rights world.

I wouldn't count the mob out, neither. Too many suspicious murders in hollywood,since the olden days and my father told me about the Sam Cooke murder years ago, though not in detail.
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Reply #44 posted 01/24/09 1:17am

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Markin' my place so I can come back to this.
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Reply #45 posted 01/24/09 3:47am

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LondonStyle said:

RnBAmbassador said:

As with many of our great artists, they have issues that some would frown upon in their personalities and characters.
Bobby Womack took up with the widow Barbara Cooke in some estimations, way too soon. It was rumored they had been rolling in the hay prior to Sam's death.
Sam Cooke was almost caught in a hotel with a very young Aretha Franklin in Atlanta during one of her father's gospel tours. (BTW she was under 18 at the time).
There was no mob hit on Cooke - he was killed by the motel desk clerk as reported with nothing on but a sports coat and shoes.
Womanizng is so a part of this culture, especially amongs African-American males, but hell look who our examples were; 'massah'


oh brother...there goes another one...wtf? ... who makes up these sterotypes ..next you'll be saying elvis wasn't really racsit... lol or the romans didn't like sex ... lol lol


I was about to say...what's up with the generalizations? eek disbelief

Sad story sad ...they say truth is stranger than fiction. If we ever knew the real truth we'd probably die from shock. What an awful way to die.
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Reply #46 posted 01/24/09 7:05am

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woogiebear said:

RnBAmbassador said:

As with many of our great artists, they have issues that some would frown upon in their personalities and characters.
Bobby Womack took up with the widow Barbara Cooke in some estimations, way too soon. It was rumored they had been rolling in the hay prior to Sam's death.
Sam Cooke was almost caught in a hotel with a very young Aretha Franklin in Atlanta during one of her father's gospel tours. (BTW she was under 18 at the time).
There was no mob hit on Cooke - he was killed by the motel desk clerk as reported with nothing on but a sports coat and shoes.
Womanizng is so a part of this culture, especially amongs African-American males, but hell look who our examples were; 'massah'


JAMES BROWN, SAM COOKE, JACKIE WILSON, WILSON PICKETT, IKE TURNER, JOHNNY "GUITAR" WATSON, SLY, PRINCE, etc.

eek eek eek eek


Please leave Prince out of this shit!!!!
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Reply #47 posted 01/25/09 8:38pm

woogiebear

4bjb said:

woogiebear said:



JAMES BROWN, SAM COOKE, JACKIE WILSON, WILSON PICKETT, IKE TURNER, JOHNNY "GUITAR" WATSON, SLY, PRINCE, etc.

eek eek eek eek


Please leave Prince out of this shit!!!!



NO!!!!! ASK SUSANNAH, JILL JONES, SUSAN AND ALL THE WOMEN THAT P USED TO STRING ALONG!!!!! I LOVE HIS MUSIC, BUT THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH!!!!!
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Reply #48 posted 01/27/09 10:08am

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woogiebear said:

4bjb said:



Please leave Prince out of this shit!!!!



NO!!!!! ASK SUSANNAH, JILL JONES, SUSAN AND ALL THE WOMEN THAT P USED TO STRING ALONG!!!!! I LOVE HIS MUSIC, BUT THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH!!!!!
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And none of those woman had enough sense to know they were being strung along.
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Reply #49 posted 01/27/09 1:12pm

TheWifey

Por favor, Sammy was murdered/////

They stuck him for his publishing cause he was a smart Black man

just like the conspiracy against MJ- same deal
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Reply #50 posted 01/27/09 7:58pm

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laurarichardson said:

woogiebear said:




NO!!!!! ASK SUSANNAH, JILL JONES, SUSAN AND ALL THE WOMEN THAT P USED TO STRING ALONG!!!!! I LOVE HIS MUSIC, BUT THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH!!!!!
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And none of those woman had enough sense to know they were being strung along.
eek

exactly...

Thank u Timmy 4 posting this... Great read! Love me some Sam Cook, I have been hearing the remake of "A Change Is Gonna Come". Its ok, but nothing like the original.
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Reply #51 posted 01/27/09 10:17pm

Timmy84

pennylover said:

laurarichardson said:


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And none of those woman had enough sense to know they were being strung along.
eek

exactly...

Thank u Timmy 4 posting this... Great read! Love me some Sam Cook, I have been hearing the remake of "A Change Is Gonna Come". Its ok, but nothing like the original.


You're very welcome. biggrin
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