Cinnie said:

Did the Sugarhill band replay "Good Times" for "Rapper's Delight"? I could've sworn I heard the sample of the string line that goes into the break of that song.

Timmy84 said:

I know what part you mean, about 30 seconds in after the bassline begins but 4 bars before the rap starts. The whole song is definitely played by the in-house band which was really that group Wood Brass & Steel, but they didn't have a string section so I'm stuck on answering this. I don't know who played that part but it doesn't sound like the exact same string stab lifted from Chic to my ears.

Cinnie said:

Yep, that's why I'm thinking the string sound was a sample or an early variation of sampling in the then-new genre of hip-hop.

Cinnie said:

And from the sounds of it, they did a damn good job doing it!!

Cinnie said:

I thought the roots of sampling is when Dj's like Afrika Bambaata and Kool Keith started to spin 2 similar records on which they tape-marked particular parts they digged ?
Yeah, that houseband was tight indeed.
I wonder if the studio-technicians still had access to the instrumental mastertapes of "Good Times" ? ... or maybe they might've hired a string-orchestra after all

Timmy84 said:

It's not that the genre was then-new.. it's about the technology being new.. the Fairlight was the first sampling synthesizer ever and that came out in 1979 at a very high price.. and I heard that no one in rap used it until Kurtis Blow in the 80s. I don't think Sugarhill ever had one.

Sugar hill Gang never had a DJ so I can't imagine them recording a string stab straight to tape.

Shango said:

It is all the more likely that some disco strings were hired, rather than recorded straight from Chic's vinyl onto tape.

I don't think the mastertapes of "Good Times" were used. Their groove was just replayed.

Cinnie said:

Aiight, cool.

I also heard that one of the dudes from Chic were mighty surprised when they walked into a club and first heard "Rappers Delight", so their cooperation/permission wasn't requested when it was made.

Cinnie said:

Sure wasn't. I remembered they threatened to sue Sylvia for usage of the song.

The sung tracks on Sugarhill Gang's first album are cool. That's what i always dug about the label...
Releasing rap and soul flava's. "Here I Am" is not on Youtube, but here's "Bad News Don't Bother Me"


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I still don't believe he was doing the female voice

LiquidGold said:

I know right?

These are the albumcredits which have been archived online :

- Jim Nince - Producer
- Sean "Barney" Thomas - Producer
- Vance Wright - Producer
- Stacey Williams - Bass
- Winston Rosa - Engineer
- Shawn "Easy LG" Thomas - Producer, Mixing
- About Face - Vocals (Background)
- David Thomas - Producer
- Dave Thomas - Producer
- Matt Stein - Mixing
- Positive K - Vocals, Main Performer
- Jazzy Jay - Producer
- Silver D. - Producer
- Chris Gehringer - Mastering
- Blossette Kitson - Executive Producer
- L.G. - Producer
- Laz-E-Laz - Producer
- Big Daddy Kane - Producer

www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.d...q85ldte~T2

www.artistdirect.com/nad/...04,00.html

You know I heard that the producer later known as D-Dot ("It's All About The Benjamins", "Hypnotize") actually made the beat for "I Got A Man" without credit or the producers for Positive K just created a beat using the exact same elements as D-Dot's.

Shango said:

Who's About Face. Is that a female?

LiquidGold said:

Not much info about the gender, but found this :


www.discogs.com/About-Fac...ase/831641

I found Positive K's album on vinyl today (an original)

Cinnie said:

sealed with the o.g. stickers?

Christopher said:

In great shape

"i got a man...but ya man aint me"

Cinnie said:

very true. In relation to Dot and badboy entertainment, Puff Daddy went and beat K’s mouth in with a giant analog cell phone (the kind zack morris used to have in saved by the bell) in the middle of a club due to K owing puff some money.. Pretty much ended K’s label.
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Cinnie said:

That's the limited edition.

http://www.discogs.com/Po...ase/539117


This one below is the regular cover which came out as LP and CD.

He didn't play the women..

didn't know he did the female voice either
wow... an epiphany for real!!!

anybody else dig "I'm Not Havin' It" w/ MC Lyte?
INHI & IGAM are like sister tracks
I love it how one track
revisits the other
I'm not sure which one came first

DirtyChris said:

"I'm Not Havin' It" came first.