LiquidGold said:

That chick is

I tried to go easy on her because it's obvious that...well, we should just take it easy on her.

Hey MSMISHA, have you seen the movie? If so, what'd you think of it?

LiquidGold said:

Secondly, I wish you'd learn to read. I said that he OWNED A COMPANY. So, um, he did have money coming in from that and it was legal.

Smooches;)

Karen71 said:

It's sad that people can't have a decent debate without things getting personal.

Anyway, like I said 6 pages ago, I did see the movie and I thought it was aiiight. What did YOU think of it, Karen?

Smooches;)
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Harlepolis said:

Yeah, that's crapola. He just wanted FAST money like everybody else who sells drugs.

I'm sure Jan was getting hooked up with foodstamps and other state aid real proper like.

This reminds me of a news story I read lately. Some kids had missed the bus and were late for school---so THEY STOLE A CAR!!!!

When they were busted, they falsely thought their "noble" reason would carry some weight. Officers told them they would've been better off getting the tardy.

BUT, that's the type of children we're raising. They heard from Biggie it's okay to break the law as long as it's for a good reason. The end justifies the means.

BTW: The story's only a week or 2 old. I'm sure if you google, you'll find the story of the HS car thieves somewhere in VA.

MsMisha319 said:

You said the babydaddy had a business that was bringing in money. So, why the drug dealing???? Oh, let me guess: GREED!!! (The reason most people do it.)

He OWNED a business bringing in legal money and had a babymomma who could well afford to take care of her child, but instead of building a legitimate life and family for himself (all of you), he decided to sell drugs.

Bottom line is that it's a greedy, ghetto, dog eat dog, don't give a fuck, it's all about the benjamins baby mentality that you clearly partake in or you wouldn't defend it.

If I "lost it all tomorrow", I would not have too much pride to put my hand out at a soup kitchen, ask the state for help, get a job cleaning toliets or otherwise making much less than I do now, staying in a homeless shelter, borrowing money, etc...Sorry, but dealing would NOT be on my list of options--wouldn't even know where to go apply for that job.

It's the MENTALITY--not the circumstances--that determine how far we will go.

You've got people living on the streets as cold as it is who will not sell a damn drug.
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MsMisha319 said:

That doesn't even make sense. He owned a company and still felt he needed to sell drugs and you defend this stating he did what he needed to do to support your child? What if there was a deal gone wring and someone followed him home and shot up your home with your child it? That's not dangerous?

That's it, I'm doing a damn drive-by on this fucking thread since none of y'all motherfuckas are staying on topic (hell I was trying to be civil in the off-topic discussion) but now y'all gone too far. In the immortal words of Puff Ugly, take that, take that, take that:



MARK!

MsMisha319 said:

Where was he keeping his supply? Even if the drugs were not in the home, the child was still be in danger whenever he was with the child, just like you were also in danger anytime you were with him. Also, you would be considered an accomplice unless you could prove you weren't involved

Timmy84 said:

Sorry man

Anyway Big didn't need to sell drugs to feed his daughter. I'm sure Jan was getting assistance

You don't want it with the nWo, ask Suge, he don't it with the nWo, NOOOOO:

"Most important film of all time"?



This is the most important film of all time on:



I mean they have "American Gangster" on there, why not?

Karen71 said:

His reasons for doing it are unknown to me to this day, but it was his choice Regardless, your judgemental ass still doesn't get the fact that YOU have no right to pass judgment. What makes you better than ANYONE? What makes you think that your values and beliefs will fit with someone else's life? Right and wrong are just that, but your opinions are yours. We all have them and if you don't agree with others, so be it. If you can't see where they're coming from, oh well.

I clearly take part in? I work 40+ hours a week, chick. I pay my own bills, have my own car, my own place and I did it all LEGALLY and on my own. So do you know me? I think not. You don't know anything about my life, besides that small part, so don't assume. You know what they say about those who assume.....

It's not so much defending as it is sympathizing and empathizing. You lack both characteristics and that's pretty sad.


Smooches;)

And fuck BIG, this guy was more gangsta than he was:



KOOL G RAP!

LiquidGold said:

Well, being that I wasn't involved, I don't think it would've been hard for me to prove

Smooches;)

The original Biggie:



This is the dude Christopher got his name from on that LET'S DO IT AGAIN film.



Rappers were very creative with their names, weren't they?

I laughed when I heard "Biggie Smalls" was used 20 years before BIG, lol.

Also:



BIG "stole" this for an interlude on LIFE AFTER DEATH...

Timmy84 said:

Oh Snap!

B.I.G. is making this cream
Bitches always say what the hell does that mean?
B is for the bitches, who can't understand
How one fly nigga became a man
I is for the way it goes in and out
One by one I knocks em out
G is for the way the game goes in the gutter
Other MC's man they ain't sayin nuthin
Rockin on, to the break of dawn
Make the bitch give the pussy get the mouth I'm gone

I love that!

Smooches;)

The South can get rowdy too:

This special song was brought to you by:

Just came back from seeing it and it was bettter than I thought it would be! They left out a few key events in his life though and I didn't like the fact that Angela Bassett basically had no Jamaican accent. I'm not of Jamaican descent but I know a lot of Jamaicans and my whole family is west indian so I can always tell when a caribbean accent is authentic or not and I found hers to be dissapointing. I always find it annoying when they get these American actors to play these roles. I can't remember too many movies where Jamaican or any West Indian accent was done properly. I don't know if Angela couldn't do the Jamaican accent or whatever 'cause true it's not an easy accent to do, but I was at least expecting to hear some "Bloodclots" or "Rassclot" or something lol, they could have at least made it a bit more real in that sense. All I know is that when it's time for Hollywood to do the Bob Marley biopic they better get someone authentic to do it or I will be mad . They definitely glossed over some parts of his life though and sometimes the film felt a bit rushed (Wish they had gone more in depth about his music and key characters like Charli Baltimore and others were missing) but I did like how they didn't portray him as some kind of saint and I thought that was good because he most definitely was not. They showed the good and the bad and left it up to the viewer to decide. I also thought the casting was pretty good. Everyone (except 2pac and Angela Basset) was spot on.




The thing about Biggie though is that you know what you're getting with him. He even said once that if people wanted role models or a positive message they should look to their parents, not him because he's just there to make good music. I would be lying if I said I didn't like Biggie's music. No, I don't think it's okay to glorify his lifestyle or care for some of his lyrics because a lot of it is demeaning to women, but I grew up listening to this guy since I was a kid and I've always been a fan. Plus I'm from Brooklyn so I definitely appreciate how he always represented and showed this place love back before it was really cool or in to do so. I remember nobody was checking for BK back then, don't know what happened since then. "Things done changed" indeed.

All in all, I really enjoyed it and it was great seeing it in theaters. The audience was really into it, a lot of energy, people singing along to his songs and all of that. It was fun. I'm so glad I went to see it in theaters instead of waiting for it to come on DVD like I was originally planning on doing. I actually found it to be inspiring as a movie overall. It had a positive message at the end. I'll probably see it again.

Cinnamon234 said:

I didn't care for the 2pac casting either. I think they could've looked a bit harder for someone better. And I noticed with Angela Bassett that her "accent" seemed to come and go in each scene.

Smooches;)

MsMisha319 said:

1. We're all judgemental. That's what we were given brains for: TO MAKE JUDGEMENTS!!

2.Did it ever occur to you that you're being just as judgemental in the things you are saying about me??? The difference between you and me, however, is that I could care less--cause at the end of the day, I'm smart enough to know if the person snoring in my face every night is a drug dealer or or otherwise involved in something he shouldn't be. TWO YEARS before you had a clue??? Maybe you should be as 'judgemental' as I am. Save yourself a lot of trouble that way.

3. This is a MESSAGE BOARD. Here we post topics for people to give their OPINIONS on. I am soooo okay with agreeing to disagree (as we'll have to do on this topic), but you seem to have feelings of hurt and insecurity. Your views contrast mine as sharply as mine do yours, but I'm the one passing judgement??? And it's MY beliefs that don't fit.

4. Now you claim to have gotten so much all on your own--after admitting to the live-in babydaddy who was contributing nicely to your household/lifestyle? So, which is it? Did you do it all on your own, or did you have his wonderfully impressive help?

Get your panties out of a bunch and accept that you and Karen simply will not see eye to eye on this one.

BTW: I can EMPATHIZE with a parent not being able to feed a child (they brought into the world knowing damn well they couldn't afford it).

BUT, I can't defend selling drugs. For any reason. Period.

Cinnamon234 said:

I also found Angela Basset's nonexistent accent a bit disappointing. I could've sworn it was there for like 2 minutes, then gone. She could've pulled it off. Though I don't think Ms. Wallace does too many 'rassclots'.

I think it'll be #1 at the Box Office.

Yes, it did seem rushed.

Too bad they left out Biggie pistol whipping Kim.

Karen71 said:

Jesus Christ. Please read. I believe I said in the same paragraph that I was more than able to take care of myself and my son. Since you care so much about what I type, please thoroughly read and comprehend it. I also said that what he contributed was appreciated. That doesn't imply that I was dependent on him and his money for anything. What I have, I have because I worked for it. PERIOD.


Also, our brains are to make judgements....sure...but judgements on other's? Well, of course we all do it, but clearly it isn't right.

We will agree to disagree, Karen, because I'm honestly tired of typing to you...as you should be with me

I'm done with this thread. It was fun

Smooches;)

I loved it! The actors portraying Biggie,Tupac and Faith were very convincing. I didn't know Biggie's mom was a JEHOVAH or Biggie himself. The music was Great the atmosphere was Ghetto Fabulous. I didn't think that LIL KIM was Treated Well in this movie. I think LIL KIM is Great and not just COOCHIE.

missfee said:

yes we do unreal in'nit?

Harlepolis said:

speak it .. speak that stuff.. just concurring to that fact lol .. for thick meated men

It amazes me how one movie can spark a debate such as this. It's also sad that to me that although we claim "to have an opened mind", to everybody's views, it seems that the opposite is true. Wow, we still have a long way to go.