I really enjoyed this movie! Gravy as B.I.G. was dead on! And Lil Kim and Faith were portrayed excellent. Excellent movie. B.I.G. forever! Love God and I shall 4ever Love u | |
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MsMisha319 said: SCNDLS said: What reason is there to marry ANYBODY nine days after you meet them??? What does the length of time have to do with anything? | |
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MsMisha319 said: LiquidGold said: The burbs are cheaper to live in than the city. She could have gotten help to move. She didn't know anybody? I don't know where you live, but here in Michigan, the 'burbs are NOT cheaper. And you are over stepping quite a bit to say something like " She could've gotten help to move. She didn't know anybody?". You have no idea what their lives were like. You have no clue. Who are you to pose such a question? Unless you are are willing to move all the would be drug dealers to your cheap homes in the 'burbs, don't sit and assume that everyone has the means to better their situations so easily. It's not that easy. What idiotic statements And just an fyi... Plenty of 'burbs are filled with drug dealers and crime Smooches;) I don't know about Michigan, but in both the east and west coasts, the burbs are cheaper than the city, unless you're speaking of affluent areas The only idiotic comments here are the ones justifying drug dealing as a way to live Just like I don't know for sure her situation, neither do you. UHAUL has been around for years. People can make happen what they want to make happen. It's not supposed to be easy. I live in the city and most people live there because of the convenience of being in the middle of everything. It makes them lazy Of course there are drug dealers and crime in the burbs, but it is not in your face like in the city. People aren't openly hanging on the corner selling crack, unless you're in a real bad part of the burbs Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. | |
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shorttrini said: LiquidGold said: Wow, are you serious? Liquor and narcotics are not the same. they are both poison, but not the same. If we stay on the top of illegal narcotics, they wouldn't be available if the pusher on the street wasn't providing it and on top of that cheaply providing it. There's no way, in my mind, to justify a "job" that is dangerous like that as a way of doing what you had to do to support your family. The risk of arrest is too great (which happened). What then? Who's gonna support the child now? The child he was sooo desperate to support? I don't have children yet, but as a man, I would want to have a stable legal job in order for me to be there for my child in every way I can be. If that means working at the post office, as a trash man, or a fucking waiter, I will do that. If I have to have 2 or 3 jobs, I will do that, but I will not add to the drug problem in my community to get rich quick Let me asked you something? Where do you think the "pusher", is getting it from? The reason that they not considered the same is because, it is easier to justify the sale of "spirits" than it is to justify the sale of narcotics, even though in my mind, they are one and the same. I'm aware of where the pusher gets it from, but that doesn't mean he has to take it Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: shorttrini said: You also don't know, what a person will do, in a situation where, their baby is hungry, rent is due and their back is against the wall. It's not fun. Just because you have not lived it, does not mean that it cannot happen to you.
I have lived it. That's why I'm qualified to speak on it. I know what I will and won't do for a buck, and I know right from wrong. Okay, you and I know right from wrong. But, we are two different people and so are those that do what they do. I too have lived it, and you know what, if it came down to feeding my daughter and I did not have the job that I do, who knows what I would do. "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" | |
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BlaqueKnight said: You insult black men when you defend fools in this way. Most of us grew up on the streets. I have never sold a drug in my life. There are always answers if you're not looking for the quick and easy way out. Poisoning our people is counter-productive no matter how you look at it and either you are part of th problem or part of the solution. Biggie was part of the problem. His music was bullshit.
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So, to those who have seen the movie:
Lil Kim did a lot of complaining about how she was portrayed in the movie. Was she made out to be that bad or is Kim just over-dramatizing? | |
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BlaqueKnight said: So, to those who have seen the movie:
Lil Kim did a lot of complaining about how she was portrayed in the movie. Was she made out to be that bad or is Kim just over-dramatizing? They made her look bad. Like she was just a slut, but that had more to do with how he treated her Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. | |
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LiquidGold said: BlaqueKnight said: So, to those who have seen the movie:
Lil Kim did a lot of complaining about how she was portrayed in the movie. Was she made out to be that bad or is Kim just over-dramatizing? They made her look bad. Like she was just a slut, but that had more to do with how he treated her And that's the unfortunate reality of BIG and Kim's relationship. He favored Faith and Charlie over Kim, that's one of the reasons she's still hurting. I still wonder how she's gonna "expose" Voletta and Faith, ain't like they already expose their own life stories already! | |
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LiquidGold said: MsMisha319 said: I don't know where you live, but here in Michigan, the 'burbs are NOT cheaper. And you are over stepping quite a bit to say something like " She could've gotten help to move. She didn't know anybody?". You have no idea what their lives were like. You have no clue. Who are you to pose such a question? Unless you are are willing to move all the would be drug dealers to your cheap homes in the 'burbs, don't sit and assume that everyone has the means to better their situations so easily. It's not that easy. What idiotic statements And just an fyi... Plenty of 'burbs are filled with drug dealers and crime Smooches;) I don't know about Michigan, but in both the east and west coasts, the burbs are cheaper than the city, unless you're speaking of affluent areas The only idiotic comments here are the ones justifying drug dealing as a way to liveJust like I don't know for sure her situation, neither do you. UHAUL has been around for years. People can make happen what they want to make happen. It's not supposed to be easy. I live in the city and most people live there because of the convenience of being in the middle of everything. It makes them lazy Of course there are drug dealers and crime in the burbs, but it is not in your face like in the city. People aren't openly hanging on the corner selling crack, unless you're in a real bad part of the burbs I agree with that. I'm not justifying dealing drugs. We all know it's not right, morally. I just don't think it's right to judge people for their actions. We all have the right to make our own decisions and those are the decisions biggie and his mom made. It's not anyone's place to say that she should've raised him some place else and that he'd still be alive if she did. And though this clearly was not the case with biggie, it's not right to say someone who is dealing drugs to provide for their family is wrong for their actions. The government only does so much. If you are forced with an eviction and utility shut off and you have no money to feed your kids, you'd do what you'd have to do to prevent it. Yes, I think selling drugs is wrong, but I'd go to great lengths to provide for my child. I cannot say that "I would never...." because you never know what you can be faced with one day. You never know what you'd have to do in order to provide. You could lose your job tomorrow and then what? People should'nt be so quick to judge other's....that's all I'm saying Smooches;) | |
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MsMisha319 said: it's not right to say someone who is dealing drugs to provide for their family is wrong for their actions.
LiquidGold said: The only idiotic comments here are the ones justifying drug dealing as a way to live
say it again.. | |
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Flowers2 said: MsMisha319 said: it's not right to say someone who is dealing drugs to provide for their family is wrong for their actions.
LiquidGold said: The only idiotic comments here are the ones justifying drug dealing as a way to live
say it again.. and to that I say this....In order to know what a person is going through, one must walk a mile in that person's shoes. In no way am I justifying it. I am just saying that their are those that will resort to such things, due to certain situations. My daughter is justification enough and I am saying this as an educated man, with a good upbringing. "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" | |
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shorttrini said: Flowers2 said: say it again.. and to that I say this....In order to know what a person is going through, one must walk a mile in that person's shoes. In no way am I justifying it. I am just saying that their are those that will resort to such things, due to certain situations. My daughter is justification enough and I am saying this as an educated man, with a good upbringing. and to that I say this ... reply #83.. BlaqueKnight gave your answer to all of your post... you work 2 jobs and if that isn't enough, the government will help you.. period.. all other ways are excuses, there's no getting around it | |
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Flowers2 said: shorttrini said: and to that I say this....In order to know what a person is going through, one must walk a mile in that person's shoes. In no way am I justifying it. I am just saying that their are those that will resort to such things, due to certain situations. My daughter is justification enough and I am saying this as an educated man, with a good upbringing. and to that I say this ... reply #83.. BlaqueKnight gave your answer to all of your post... you work 2 jobs and if that isn't enough, the government will help you.. period.. all other ways are excuses, there's no getting around it You must have never been on government assistance They don't help with much. Smooches;) | |
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I think the girl played Lil Kim just as you see her in the media. I thought she was great. Other than that only Lil Kim and others know if it was an honest portrayal. Love God and I shall 4ever Love u | |
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Frederick96 said: I think the girl played Lil Kim just as you see her in the media. I thought she was great. Other than that only Lil Kim and others know if it was an honest portrayal.
Agreed. I thought Naturi was excellent in the role. I remember reading something a few months back, that people were trying to petition to have her removed from the role Smooches;) | |
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Timmy84 said: LiquidGold said: They made her look bad. Like she was just a slut, but that had more to do with how he treated her And that's the unfortunate reality of BIG and Kim's relationship. He favored Faith and Charlie over Kim, that's one of the reasons she's still hurting. I still wonder how she's gonna "expose" Voletta and Faith, ain't like they already expose their own life stories already! Yo... Charli wasn't even IN THE MOVIE! How you think she feel? Even Craig Mack's role got casted | |
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Karen71 said: banks said: The reviews are pretty good
Entertainment Weekly: Notorious is a luridly unapologetic trip through the violence, hunger, verbal bravado, and money fever of the hip-hop world, which it views as both liberating and destructive. … Notorious sticks close to the details, and the hell-bent spirit, of Biggie’s life. B+ The New York Times: So Notorious settles into a curious comfort zone; it’s half pop fable, half naturalistic docudrama. Not a bad movie, but nowhere near as strong as its soundtrack. Rolling Stone: Notorious leaves Biggie on the verge of a maturity that plays like wishful thinking. But even when this “authorized” movie biography makes you long for the “explicit” version, [Jamal] Woolard’s tour de force finds the human details that forged an artist and lets Biggie fly. 3.5 out of 5 The Hollywood Reporter: This is the first gotta-see movie of 2009. It has terrific performances, a powerful soundtrack, and eye-catching visuals. Los Angeles Times: Antonique Smith, who plays Faith Evans, the creamy R&B chanteuse who would become Biggie’s wife and the mother of his son, is delicious in the role. Naturi Naughton gives Lil’ Kim, a rapper and Biggie’s longtime lover, a raw, raging edge that scalds everything around her. Variety: Skim off all the bling, and Notorious is a rock-solid biopic with a foolproof rise-and-fall storyline and a warmly nuanced performance by Jamal Woolard as iconic rapper Christopher Wallace—aka Biggie Smalls, aka the Notorious B.I.G. USA Today: While Notorious is well-made, it mythologizes someone who treated people, particularly women, with disrespect and whose life and art glamorized drug use, promiscuity and violence. It seems an odd choice of film to open just days before the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday I don't think Biggie is mythologized. His foibles are well-documented. I never knew, for example, that he'd been in prison before nearly going a 2nd time. We saw the smart ass who didn't take school seriously, drug dealer, philandering husband, woman abuser, and "bad" father who all but neglected his daughter when his career took off. And despite all of that, Biggie became a hero to all NYC rap/hip-hop fans for saving east coast hip-hop from potential extinction due the popularity of the west coast hip-hop. | |
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Cinnie said: Timmy84 said: And that's the unfortunate reality of BIG and Kim's relationship. He favored Faith and Charlie over Kim, that's one of the reasons she's still hurting. I still wonder how she's gonna "expose" Voletta and Faith, ain't like they already expose their own life stories already! Yo... Charli wasn't even IN THE MOVIE! How you think she feel? Even Craig Mack's role got casted Beats me. Kim said she agreed to let them use her character in the movie, I don't know how they found Craig Mack! | |
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Timmy84 said: Cinnie said: Yo... Charli wasn't even IN THE MOVIE! How you think she feel? Even Craig Mack's role got casted Beats me. Kim said she agreed to let them use her character in the movie, I don't know how they found Craig Mack! Nah no one appeared as themselves. It was really weird for me to see Lil Cease played by this kid: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0420384/ who still looks like that! | |
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Cinnie said: Timmy84 said: Beats me. Kim said she agreed to let them use her character in the movie, I don't know how they found Craig Mack! Nah no one appeared as themselves. It was really weird for me to see Lil Cease played by this kid: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0420384/ who still looks like that! But nah, I meant I didn't know how they found a character to play Craig, lol. | |
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LiquidGold said: BlaqueKnight said: So, to those who have seen the movie:
Lil Kim did a lot of complaining about how she was portrayed in the movie. Was she made out to be that bad or is Kim just over-dramatizing? They made her look bad. Like she was just a slut, but that had more to do with how he treated her FACT: Lil'Kim was F***ing For Tracks. Her and Biggie were never equals in the first place. No matter how Kim continues to get it twisted, her "boyfriend" Biggie was really her abused "pimp". Faith was Biggie's wife. Kim was Biggie's ho. End of. | |
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TonyVanDam said: LiquidGold said: They made her look bad. Like she was just a slut, but that had more to do with how he treated her FACT: Lil'Kim was F***ing For Tracks. Her and Biggie were never equals in the first place. No matter how Kim continues to get it twisted, her "boyfriend" Biggie was really her abused "pimp". Faith was Biggie's wife. Kim was Biggie's ho. End of. The movie actually made Kim's role mean much more than that, but I can still see why Kim didn't like how she was portrayed... the only really scandalous parts were with Kim. | |
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TonyVanDam said: LiquidGold said: They made her look bad. Like she was just a slut, but that had more to do with how he treated her FACT: Lil'Kim was F***ing For Tracks. Her and Biggie were never equals in the first place. No matter how Kim continues to get it twisted, her "boyfriend" Biggie was really her abused "pimp". Faith was Biggie's wife. Kim was Biggie's ho. End of. How can Kim being fucking for tracks when she was fucking him before he got a record deal??? Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. | |
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MsMisha319 said: LiquidGold said: I don't know about Michigan, but in both the east and west coasts, the burbs are cheaper than the city, unless you're speaking of affluent areas The only idiotic comments here are the ones justifying drug dealing as a way to liveJust like I don't know for sure her situation, neither do you. UHAUL has been around for years. People can make happen what they want to make happen. It's not supposed to be easy. I live in the city and most people live there because of the convenience of being in the middle of everything. It makes them lazy Of course there are drug dealers and crime in the burbs, but it is not in your face like in the city. People aren't openly hanging on the corner selling crack, unless you're in a real bad part of the burbs I agree with that. I'm not justifying dealing drugs. We all know it's not right, morally. I just don't think it's right to judge people for their actions. We all have the right to make our own decisions and those are the decisions biggie and his mom made. It's not anyone's place to say that she should've raised him some place else and that he'd still be alive if she did. And though this clearly was not the case with biggie, it's not right to say someone who is dealing drugs to provide for their family is wrong for their actions. The government only does so much. If you are forced with an eviction and utility shut off and you have no money to feed your kids, you'd do what you'd have to do to prevent it. Yes, I think selling drugs is wrong, but I'd go to great lengths to provide for my child. I cannot say that "I would never...." because you never know what you can be faced with one day. You never know what you'd have to do in order to provide. You could lose your job tomorrow and then what? People should'nt be so quick to judge other's....that's all I'm saying Smooches;) Sorry, but it is wrong to sell drugs to "provide" for your family. I rather beg on the street. I rather be a male stripper. Work on a farm. Clean houses and offices. Work in a warehouse. Somethin'. There's always a job in the paper. I never see a newspaper with no job postings. Never. You're justifying the choice of dealing drugs out of desperation [Edited 1/17/09 20:27pm] Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. | |
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MsMisha319 said: Karen71 said: HELLO...A lot of burbs/rural areas are MUCH cheaper to live in. And we're talking NYC here--the most expensive place on the planet. I was simply making an observation. She gave him everything else within her power, but that was THE ONE THING that did him in-the streets. When the streets called, it didn't matter that he went to a private school, that his mother was a teacher, and had the umph to earn a master's degree while raising her child. It doesn't matter that your home is a safe haven of love when hell waits right outside your front door. MSMISHA, get your panties out your booty. I didn't finance his private school or her master's degree, so why would I be needed to fund a move to place like Delaware? People need to get over thinking that the only way they can do anything is if somebody comes along and does it for them. KNEE. GROW. PLEASE. [Edited 1/17/09 14:40pm] Chick, firstly, don't worry about my panties. You are very out of pocket. You people are soooo quick to say what someone else SHOULD'VE done. Deal with your own life. Where she raised him has nothing to do with it. Like I clearly stated, drugs and crime are everywhere. And if you look at people like Jay-Z, Puffy and many others who are from that exact neighborhood, they are all doing fine. They haven't been shot down. So in the end, where he lived had nothing to do with it. He did what he wanted to do, regardless. Smooches;) Oh lawd. I'M out of pocket??? YOU'RE the one in here calling people's statements idiotic---just because they don't fit into your limited "world" view of what happens in Michigan. Clearly, you've never left the state. THEN, you find a way to defend drug dealing while attacking anyone who suggests legal work-even if it is menial--as an option. And NOW...you have the audacity to say that a person's environment have nothing to do with how they turn out??? Okay, so it's clear you've never left your PORCH. I lived in my hometown for over 20 years and never laid eyes on a (known) drug dealer, prostitute on the corner or illegal transaction ONCE--NOT.ONE.TIME. I grew up in a VERY INEXPENSIVE place where even today you can go with virtually nothing and have something before very long. Some people make it DESPITE their environment but to say it doesn't influence a child, which it CLEARLY did in Big's case. Had he grew up in Colorado somewhere, his story would be much different. It's obvious you're young, so I'll take it easy on you. You seem mentally weak. | |
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Harlepolis said: That was his calling.
Folks could argue back and forth about the kind of childhood background he grew up in,,,,but truth of the matter is, you live by the sword,,,,you fuckin' DIE & ROT by the sword. Had his momma been Maya Angelou, he would still face the same fate,,,its called choices, you raise your kid the BEST way you could and hope that he absorb the knowledge that you passed to him/her. All that bullshit he did was a way of life, thats true - BUT it was his choice, he had options(unlike some of the people who lived in the bottom) he could've turned the other way or live the fast life and endure whats coming to him,,,,,and he chose the latter, nobody slapped his greasy ham-hock hands to do it. This mofo wasn't a victim,,,,in short. Question #1: Who tried to paint him as a victim? Question #2: Why's he gotta have "greasy ham-hock hands"? Don't know why but that made me LOL | |
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MsMisha319 said: Karen71 said: Get over yourself--and your faulty notions and one cannot do better unless someone else finances them. Few people living in the suburbs of Delaware, New Jersey, and Pa are "banking like that". SMDH [Edited 1/17/09 14:45pm] It's not the notion that someone has to finance them. It's the notion that YOU think you have a right to say what she should've done with her money and her life. The neigborhood may not have been the best, but not everyone there ends up the way he did. My comment of the "safer and more affluent area" was sarcastic. Smooches;) I made a friggin' COMMENT on a message board, cause that's what they're for! Unless you're Voletta Wallace, I don't understand why you give a personal damn about my observation. You seem to be the stereotypical angry black woman who simply likes to argue every damn thing that's said--cause that's all you've done the entire thread. Do you have an original thought of your own? Or do you simply wait to challenge what everybody else has to say? Speaking of, what say you about the film? Cause I could've sworn that's what the thread's about. Having trouble keeping up? | |
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Karen71 said: MsMisha319 said: It's not the notion that someone has to finance them. It's the notion that YOU think you have a right to say what she should've done with her money and her life. The neigborhood may not have been the best, but not everyone there ends up the way he did. My comment of the "safer and more affluent area" was sarcastic. Smooches;) I made a friggin' COMMENT on a message board, cause that's what they're for! Unless you're Voletta Wallace, I don't understand why you give a personal damn about my observation. You seem to be the stereotypical angry black woman who simply likes to argue every damn thing that's said--cause that's all you've done the entire thread. Do you have an original thought of your own? Or do you simply wait to challenge what everybody else has to say? Speaking of, what say you about the film? Cause I could've sworn that's what the thread's about. Having trouble keeping up? Maybe she grew up around things like that and is just justifying it because that's all she knows Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. | |
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Karen71 said: MsMisha319 said: Chick, firstly, don't worry about my panties. You are very out of pocket. You people are soooo quick to say what someone else SHOULD'VE done. Deal with your own life. Where she raised him has nothing to do with it. Like I clearly stated, drugs and crime are everywhere. And if you look at people like Jay-Z, Puffy and many others who are from that exact neighborhood, they are all doing fine. They haven't been shot down. So in the end, where he lived had nothing to do with it. He did what he wanted to do, regardless. Smooches;) Oh lawd. I'M out of pocket??? YOU'RE the one in here calling people's statements idiotic---just because they don't fit into your limited "world" view of what happens in Michigan. Clearly, you've never left the state. THEN, you find a way to defend drug dealing while attacking anyone who suggests legal work-even if it is menial--as an option. And NOW...you have the audacity to say that a person's environment have nothing to do with how they turn out??? Okay, so it's clear you've never left your PORCH. I lived in my hometown for over 20 years and never laid eyes on a (known) drug dealer, prostitute on the corner or illegal transaction ONCE--NOT.ONE.TIME. I grew up in a VERY INEXPENSIVE place where even today you can go with virtually nothing and have something before very long. Some people make it DESPITE their environment but to say it doesn't influence a child, which it CLEARLY did in Big's case. Had he grew up in Colorado somewhere, his story would be much different. It's obvious you're young, so I'll take it easy on you. You seem mentally weak. Funny I've never left the state. I used to be a journalist and I travelled quite a bit, when I was younger. So I've definitely left my "porch" And yes, I'm young. Probably much younger than you, but that has nothing to do with anything. I respect any and all opinion's and I expect the same. You clearly need to grow up. Yes, I do believe that one can grow up in a shitty neighborhood or around shitty people, and still accomplish things in their life. I am living proof of that. You have rapper's like Jay-Z, Nas, Lil Kim who are also proof...same neighborhood...and they are still here and doing well. And mind you, he was not even killed there, but in a whole 'nother state..... Also, I never attacked anyone for working I believe I said that you never know what you may have to face and you cannot fault those who do bad things. Maybe not in those exact words. At what point did I attack anyone? Drug dealing is bad. We all know that, but if it's something you do because you can't find work.....which, I'm sure some of you can attest, it's not easy to find work.....and you're forced to depend on the state...which isn't a whole lot....you have to do what you have to do. Maybe you have never been in that position and maybe you never will be. But until you walk in those peoples shoes, you cannot fault them. Some of you think you are high and mighty in here, but you could lose it all tomorrow. Then you will know what it's like to have to do things that you never thought you'd do. I'm not the one with the "limited" view here. You clearly are. You cannot even empathize with people. Smooches;) | |
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