SCNDLS said:

That's in the movie too. Puffy was the executive producer so.... The record deal with Uptown fell through and he went back to selling drugs. Once Bad Boy took off, they didn't show him dealing drugs anymore

Ok..... .....Who cares why he started or why he continued to sell drugs. He was human, like everyone of us. Plenty of people sell drugs and there are PLENTY of buyers. No, it's not right, but all you can do is YOU.

The movie did not try to make light of any of this. It's not like they tried to make selling drugs a good thing. It's not like they tried to make him Jesus-like. I think the movie was very honest. He was a drug dealer, for whatever his reasons were. It was his choice.

And yes he probably could've found a better way to support himself, like say, a job, but I can't imagine people were breaking their necks to hire a 6'3" 300lbs black dude from Bed-Stuy....and that's very judgemental, but that's some truth for that ass


Smooches;)

MsMisha319 said:

I'm sure you can make an excuse for anyone about anything

sassybritches said:

EXACTLY!!!

Negroes need to stop with that. Get some damn food stamps if your motive is to feed your child. Go to a food pantry. Besides, how much of that drug money did his daughter REALLY see? Most dealers wear fresh kicks and chains, drive tricked out cars--and their children still go without. I'm sure her mother was working and providing or getting government benefits to support that child.

You know those stores you loiter around waiting on a customer? Walk inside the store, fill out an application and GET A JOB to feed your child!!

Our ancestors fed and clothed their children for GENERATIONS with much, much less than this generation has. They didn't have the opportunities or the gov't to fall back on and made it--without resorting to crime and contributing to the decline of the community.

He wanted fast money. Plain and simple.

SCNDLS said:

Oh, shit! She called him Pussy! LMAO! That's a good one! Can't believe I didn't think of it first!

I vaguely remembered a Big interview where he talked about taking those trips to Va to sell and how he or somebody almost got busted...Or was that Jay-z?? Damn, they were all dealers turned rappers. No wonder that business is so fucked and full of "artists" with one foot in prison.

I do believe Puff wanted him to stop dealing, not wanting to be associated with that type of mess. He was smart enough to know how dangerous that world is, and Puff wasn't street, wanted nothing to do with it. Puff, WHO ALSO HAD A CHILD TO FEED, knew that working hard for it was the way to get lasting success. He'd worked his ass off, I mean HUSTLED IT (the legal way). There's NO WAY he was trying to get caught up in Big's mess.

BTW: Derek Luke did make a good Puffy, his coonlike dancing was on point. So was his processed do.

Those lips! Ma lawd! Kept me distracted.

The one thing I find tragic about Big's life is that his mother--a reputable woman of good character, who created a loving, drama-free home for her child and provided a good example--didn't raise him someplace outside of the ghetto.

By all accounts she was a good mother--no stories of drugs, men running in and out, abuse, criminal activity, several babies/babydaddies, etc. She did everything she could to do right by him--Catholic school, furthering her education, but in that environment none of that mattered. He didn't stand a chance.

If he'd been raised in the suburbs of NY, Jersey, or some country hicktown, he may not have become the Notorious one, but he'd likely still be alive.

They made a DAMN fool out of Kim in this movie

Even if the shit was true,,,,,I can't help but to feel bad for her, she was through enough humiliations as it is, and this whole movie took a REAL hot-in-the summertime DODO right on her Pamela Anderson knock off wig.

And another thing, I love Angela Bassett,,,SO MUCH.

But why oh WHY did she insist on talking like a southern sista when we ALL know that Momma Wallace was from the islands?
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BlaqueKnight said:

How am I insulting black men? You cannot speak for the entire black male population. The man had a child to support and as a father myself, I would do anything to make sure that my daughter does not go hungry and have all that she needs. Besides, who is the bigger fool, the one who sells the poison or the person who is well aware that it is NOT good for them, but takes it anyway! You've got liquor stores on every corner in my hood. They people that frequent them are well aware that it is not good for them. Are you going to sit their and tell me, that it is the liquor store owner's fault? The owner has to make a living too. Okay, so you never sold drugs, that does not make you any different from the next guy. Be it right or wrong, he felt that his back was against the wall and because of this, he had to do something to make a quick buck.
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Harlepolis said:

It was real messed up. I wonder whose version of this was? Did Big keep a diary?

Karen71 said:

Jeez, would you have been paying for that move to the 'burbs? I'm sure if she was banking money like that, she would've found a safer and more affluent place to raise him.

Smooches;)
[Edited 1/17/09 14:01pm]

LiquidGold said:

Actually it was based on a biography that ALL of the characters participated in(I'm assuming minus Biggie).

You can check the writer in the movie credit.

shorttrini said:

Wow, are you serious? Liquor and narcotics are not the same. they are both poison, but not the same. If we stay on the top of illegal narcotics, they wouldn't be available if the pusher on the street wasn't providing it and on top of that cheaply providing it. There's no way, in my mind, to justify a "job" that is dangerous like that as a way of doing what you had to do to support your family. The risk of arrest is too great (which happened). What then? Who's gonna support the child now? The child he was sooo desperate to support? I don't have children yet, but as a man, I would want to have a stable legal job in order for me to be there for my child in every way I can be. If that means working at the post office, as a trash man, or a fucking waiter, I will do that. If I have to have 2 or 3 jobs, I will do that, but I will not add to the drug problem in my community to get rich quick

MsMisha319 said:

The burbs are cheaper to live in than the city. She could have gotten help to move. She didn't know anybody?

Harlepolis said:

Well, Kim said she wasn't involved. The writer called her about a few things, but she seemed real angry about how she was portrayed. I just said that to question how accurate the movie version of that relationship was

LiquidGold said:

I don't know where you live, but here in Michigan, the 'burbs are NOT cheaper.

And you are over stepping quite a bit to say something like " She could've gotten help to move. She didn't know anybody?". You have no idea what their lives were like. You have no clue. Who are you to pose such a question? Unless you are are willing to move all the would be drug dealers to your cheap homes in the 'burbs, don't sit and assume that everyone has the means to better their situations so easily. It's not that easy.

What idiotic statements

And just an fyi... Plenty of 'burbs are filled with drug dealers and crime

Smooches;)

LiquidGold said:

Let me asked you something? Where do you think the "pusher", is getting it from? The reason that they not considered the same is because, it is easier to justify the sale of "spirits" than it is to justify the sale of narcotics, even though in my mind, they are one and the same.

LiquidGold said:

HELLO...A lot of burbs/rural areas are MUCH cheaper to live in.

And we're talking NYC here--the most expensive place on the planet.

I was simply making an observation. She gave him everything else within her power, but that was THE ONE THING that did him in-the streets.

When the streets called, it didn't matter that he went to a private school, that his mother was a teacher, and had the umph to earn a master's degree while raising her child. It doesn't matter that your home is a safe haven of love when hell waits right outside your front door.

MSMISHA, get your panties out your booty. I didn't finance his private school or her master's degree, so why would I be needed to fund a move to place like Delaware?

People need to get over thinking that the only way they can do anything is if somebody comes along and does it for them.

KNEE.

GROW.

PLEASE.
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MsMisha319 said:

Get over yourself--and your faulty notions and one cannot do better unless someone else finances them.

Few people living in the suburbs of Delaware, New Jersey, and Pa are "banking like that".

SMDH
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LiquidGold said:

She wasn't involved in the movie,,,,but she was involved in the book.

Sadly for her, they won't need SO much input from her,,,,esp if she came in the set like she was one of the producers

Like I said, she has a habit of burning bridges when she could've used this in her favor.

That was his calling.

Folks could argue back and forth about the kind of childhood background he grew up in,,,,but truth of the matter is, you live by the sword,,,,you fuckin' DIE & ROT by the sword. Had his momma been Maya Angelou, he would still face the same fate,,,its called choices, you raise your kid the BEST way you could and hope that he absorb the knowledge that you passed to him/her.

All that bullshit he did was a way of life, thats true - BUT it was his choice, he had options(unlike some of the people who lived in the bottom) he could've turned the other way or live the fast life and endure whats coming to him,,,,,and he chose the latter, nobody slapped his greasy ham-hock hands to do it.

This mofo wasn't a victim,,,,in short.

Karen71 said:

Chick, firstly, don't worry about my panties. You are very out of pocket. You people are soooo quick to say what someone else SHOULD'VE done. Deal with your own life. Where she raised him has nothing to do with it. Like I clearly stated, drugs and crime are everywhere. And if you look at people like Jay-Z, Puffy and many others who are from that exact neighborhood, they are all doing fine. They haven't been shot down. So in the end, where he lived had nothing to do with it. He did what he wanted to do, regardless.


Smooches;)

Karen71 said:

It's not the notion that someone has to finance them. It's the notion that YOU think you have a right to say what she should've done with her money and her life. The neigborhood may not have been the best, but not everyone there ends up the way he did. My comment of the "safer and more affluent area" was sarcastic.


Smooches;)

shorttrini said:

First off, miss me with the excuses. You don't HAVE to sell dope, ever. You can work two McDonalds jobs to feed a child, and if you still can't, you can get help from the government. People often confuse needs with wants.
Most dopemen are lazy asses that try to take the easy way out. Secondly, its not a contest between who is worse between a dope man and a drunkard, although if it was then the dopeman is worse. One hit of crack could kill you. Do you know how many people have died from their first hit? I don't know too many people who have died from their first sip of alcohol, although that mess isn't good for you either. Still, the person who is knowingly poisoning somebody else is worse than the person knowingly poisoning themselves in my book.
And you are wrong, not selling drugs DOES make me different; not necessarily better, but definitely different. I won't take the easy way out. I'm a big dude. It would be easy for me to roll up on somebody and rob them when times get hard. I haven't and won't do it. That's what makes me different. I know a lot of lazy n*ggas who will take the easy way 9 times out of 10. Quick money is just as tempting as drugs and that lifestyle is another addiction. Biggie feeding his kids with dope money doesn't make him any less of a dealer. Its just a sad state that he didn't have the confidence and motivation to do something else.
[Edited 1/17/09 15:21pm]

BlaqueKnight said:

I'm not trying to get into your dispute, but I'm just curious...How many people have died from their first hit? You obviously know this


Smooches;)

BlaqueKnight said:

Biggie as well as others in the game are very smart. They know that there is an more legal way of doing earning cash. But, they are looking for an easy quick way to make money. As a school counselor I see this everyday. These kids are smart and very impressionable. The majority know that getting their education is the right way to go, but most of them are looking for that quick solution. Is it right? No, it isn't. But, you cannot always tell someone, who has grown up in that type of environment and is is used to it that your way, (even though it might be), is the right way. You also don't know, what a person will do, in a situation where, their baby is hungry, rent is due and their back is against the wall. It's not fun. Just because you have not lived it, does not mean that it cannot happen to you. There are those who say that we are just one paycheck away from being homeless. I believe it.

shorttrini said:

Drug-dealing is an easy way out IMHO... it's like if you don't wanna do it the hard way, that'll be the way to go. The only good thing Puffy Bitch did for BIG's career was get him away from that lifestyle.

shorttrini said:

I have lived it. That's why I'm qualified to speak on it. I know what I will and won't do for a buck, and I know right from wrong.

Usually R&B and hip-hop artists that come from the same places BIG, Pac and 'em grew up at, some either choose the streets because it's the easy way out. I've heard of artists like Jackie Wilson, James Brown, Rick James, Barry White, Quincy Jones and some others getting in trouble with the law then discover their talent in prison and realizing being involved in gang activity and/or drug dealing wasn't the way to make money especially when they all hated to do nine-to-five jobs and discover they had innate talent and become determined to make something out of themselves. That's the crossroads BIG eventually led to. And the funniest thing was BIG was talking about changing his life for the better when he got shot. That's the saddest thing about it is that you can make your way out of the ghetto but if you don't have a clear lining in your life, you can get easily sunk back in or that part of you never really left anyways and you die from circumstances similar to those stuck in the game. The smartest thing BIG did during that period he did drug dealing WAS get out of it.

sassybritches said:

absolutely.. Preach that stuff .. there's no excuses for drug selling... none...