bboy87 said:

I know you were, I was just saying. But then again most of the skits they cut which featured music was lip-synced. They only did perform their classics live...then again I don't know... guess I'm a critic when it comes with the way singers open their mouth...

Timmy84 said:

oh yeah 'you were there'. schmaltzy and moving as hell at the same time.brilliant performance live. he can turn it on if he wants to, especially if it is what he deems a special occasion.

why these Prince fans that seemingly just hate MJ for being more popular/better selling than Prince (cause that is all it is. "Why can't our man be as popular as the freak? I'm gonna be a silly bitch about it for the rest of my life!"), can't acknowledge that P has made some fucking crap albums in his time and lipsynched on tv fairly often too is beyond me, Lip synching on TV is industry practice, as long as they're not announced as 'performing live' i don't mind. it's pretty standard as i see it. and has been for a long time.

Marrk said:[quote]

Timmy84 said:

I miss that guy so much.

Marrk said:

Wow, talk about getting it twisted!!

Your quote should read "Leave MJ alone because he's more popular/sold more than Prince! I'm gonna be a silly bitch about it for the rest of my life!"

Are you taking the piss because I thought you were one of the saner MJ fans on this board?? Most P fans acknowledge and appreciate MJs talent for what it was but there is little to no evidence within the last 10-15 years that he still has that talent. Was Michaels last show 2001? And by all accounts he was shockingly crap?? In the meantime Prince has toured several times to acclaim (I saw him several times in soundcheck and aftershow and he was fucking amazing, when did you last see Michael??) released several albums and has proven over and over again that he still has his musical ability. Michael, not so much.

There are countless threads on these boards slamming Prince's crap albums or Prince himself from every conceivable angle possible. His fans are his harshest critics. Prince has lip-synched maybe twice in his entire career (Emancipation release and some other crap awards show, we are talking the '90s here, please show me something since in the last 10years where he has lipsynched?), but never on one of his own concerts. Comparing Prince to Michael as far as lip-synching is seriously deluded! MIchael has gotten off lightly for it. Shit, Madonna has lip-synched less so he's got no excuse!

Prince fans don't hate MJ because he's more popular/sold more than Prince. Prince fans hate his stupid fans who only have those two things to hold onto and bombard a Prince forum with endless idiotic comparison threads.
I would love to hear that Michael still has his voice but he has done nothing to prove otherwise.

From 1996

bboy87 said:

This is why I get mad he don't sing like that often. He sounded good there!

i don't know if i should laugh or cry

bboy87 said:

I am pretty sure all of them were. There is a list of tapes and recordings that Henry Vaccaro acquired (Universal Express case) and it lists all the songs that were pre-recorded for the Jacksons variety show- it pretty much lists every song that was "sung" on the show, plus more.

http://www.michaeljackson...rtapes.doc

marnifrances said:

I actually saw that on YouTube one night.

mynameisnotsusan said:

I agree, some MJ fans have nothing better to do than constantly remind everyone how MJ's catalog sales are higher than Prince's and they think that's a measure of "more talent" or simply being better, ridiculous.

midnightmover said:

He forgot the whole second verse in Blame it on the Boogie on the Destiny Tour and ends up singing the last verse twice instead

And I am fairly confident he often forgot or messed up words in Human Nature on the Victory tour (and beyond- he always messed that song up lol)

[quote]All of their performances on Soul Train were lip-synced


every one on soul train lip-synced pretty much the onle one i remember that didn't was Eddie Kendricks, and A lot of those variety shows wanted artist to lip-sync so they would be perfect

cdcgold said:[quote]

James Brown didn't lip-sync their shows. Al Green's 1974 performance on it was totally live. So was performances by the Average White Band, Ike & Tina's 1972 performance, Chuck Berry performed live as did Little Richard, Stevie Wonder in some portions in 1972, 1979 and 1991, Aretha Franklin in her 1973 appearance (the one where she sported the red Afro ), the Isley Brothers also sung live on a 1974 show. It depends on what shows you saw, but those are the best examples.

Meh, the real reason is that Mike hasn't given a shit about music since the 90's.

I miss Michael making decent music, but his vocal range has always been sort of...eh.

He's no Prince. By any way, shape or means.

seeingvoices12 said:

Reality check. Look at the clip bboy87 posted from the same show. I'm sure you guys are too distracted by the dancing and the lights to notice, but Mike's voice is giving him problems there too. His voice is faltering and cracking pretty badly, so it's not about DD being tough to sing (nice try though), it's about Michael's voice being in decline. Compare those vocals to the vocals on the 1987 leg of the tour. If your ears are working you will hear there has been a major decline in the space of six months. Here's the link. See if you can hear his voice cracking. Try listening without watching it. The visuals will only distract you from your task.

http://uk.youtube.com/wat...07493&pg=3
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midnightmover said:

But in that clip, isn't he doing the usual "grunt" stuff he does on nearly all of his uptempo tracks?

bboy87 said:

Try and listen properly. His voice cracks and falters as the performance goes on. There's a pinched tone to his voice. He's flat on some of the higher notes. He's adapting his voice to the difficulties, but in '87 he didn't have to adapt because his voice was in great shape. In '88 you hear a great singer beginning to struggle.
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ElectricBlue said:

Well, like we all know, it's known that after the expanded Bad Tour of almost 3 years, his vocal power started to decline, unfortunately.

However, and again like many stated here, his voice couldn't be touched live during the J5/Jacksons-era and it's tours and during the Bad-Tour (especially the first leg in Japan).
His solo-career was in 1979, when he also toured with his brothers.
Examples have already been posted here, but i want to show you this specific clip, on which MJ and Randy sing the lead.
Little explanation about what happens : Randy starts with the first verse, but his mic seems to be malfunctioning, so he quickly borrows Mike's mic.
Then it's Mike's turn for the next verse ... can you hear the difference already ? can ya feel it ? ... Then it's Randy's turn again to sing, but now with a full functional mic.
Smoke 'n mirrors here ? ... i think not ... this the real stuff ... no ecxcuses indeed ... have fun !


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marnifrances said:

This is a silly argument. The J5 only ever mimed in situations where you were EXPECTED to mime. On TV in those days a lot of TV shows like Soul Train and American Bandstand found it easier to have an act mime a record than to set up live equipment, so the J5 just went along with it like everyone else. But outside of those situations they ALWAYS sang live. Many of their greatest TV appearances were live and ALL of their concerts were live. From 1988 onwards though, Michael has been miming in situations where he's expected to sing live. That was a new development from him. He now goes out of his way to mime.

Shango said:

No need to respond to EB, Shango, he'll say the same thing in a couple of months

And I love the Destiny and Triumph Tour

here's a cool video from the 1979 tour, but the live audio is overdubbed with the album mix

He's paranoid. If you notice, Prince avoids singing too.

bboy87 said:

otay

bboy87 said:

Magic ! thanx ... edited by Japanese fans ?
Man, what keeps the Jacksons back from releasing these tours on official dvd ?!
Too bad that back then not an official vhs-video was released along with the live-album from 1981.
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Shango said:

From what I know, because SonyBMG has control of Michael's master recordings, they can do what they want, hence the greatest hits

With the tour footage, Sony and Michael, for now, co-owns it BUT Michael is the one who has to approve it. It was explained while ago and it was basically said until the deal expires(which is when the all of Michael's master recordings return back to him in a couple of years), then Michael will then release the footage

bboy87 said:

I've heard so many different years about when MJ's master recordings pre-Dangerous would be returned to him, in 2002, it was stated he'd get it at the end of 2003, then 2004, then 2005, then 2006, then 2007 people were sure he was gonna get back, then 2008 was the year, then someone said "2015" and I was like " ".

bboy87 said:

Great info ! Thanx.
I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Timmy84 said:

Let's hope for the best then