WaterInYourBath said:

Anyone who's saying Michael has been doing nothing but lipsynching since the start of his solo career loses all credibility on that issue. PERIOD

If you look at the US leg of the 1979-80 Destiny Tour, or the 1981 Triumph Tour, the 1984 Victory Tour, most of the Bad tour and Dangerous Tours, people would know that instead of posting the same ole post to make a null point

bboy87 said:

I thought most of the Dangerous tour was lip-synched?

Annika said:

I think half of the show was ("Jam", "Heal The World" etc).

I love how the officially released Live in Bucharest DVD preserved some of his worst vocal performances ever.

Annika said:

during the first leg, there was more live vocals, from I know

1. "Jam"
2. "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'"
3. "Human Nature"
4. "Smooth Criminal"
5. "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" (duet with Siedah Garrett)
6. "She's out of My Life"
7. Jackson 5 Medley ("I Want You Back" / "The Love You Save", "I'll Be There")
8. "Thriller"
9. "Billie Jean"

"Panther" Video Interlude

10. "Workin' Day and Night"
11. "Beat It"

"Someone Put Your Hand Out" Instrumental Interlude

12. "Will You Be There"
13. "The Way You Make Me Feel" (Performed until July 15, 1992 when taken off)
14. "Bad" (Performed until July 15, 1992 when taken off)
15. "Black or White"

"We Are the World" Video Interlude

16. "Heal the World"
17. "Man in the Mirror"

about 6 of the songs were lipsynched

better not let certain MJ baiters see this thread, cuz they will go off on you and tell you that MJ is the best singer EVER!

eaglebear4839 said:

Well, he's certainly one of the best singers ever.

bboy87 said:

Ok, maybe he was tired afterwards, but it is still a notorious fact about his drug struggles throughout his career. He talked about it in his interviews. He thanked Elton John for helping him overcome it and dedicated "Invincible" to him. I am not here to judge MJ, just stating the documented facts.

Timmy84 said:

"Remember The Time" and "Blood On The Dance Floor sounds somewhat similar but I found out that its produced by the same person Teddy Riley.

TheBoyfromtheBand said:

Just say no, next time.

bboy87 said:

So live/lip-synced vocals were muddled...
[Edited 1/17/09 9:57am]

WaterInYourBath said:

On the History album and most of the Invincible album, I actually like his voice a lot, with one exception - he has ALMOST NO CONTROL over his vibrato. Proper vocalists know that you are only supposed to bring in vibrato when the note you're holding lasts longer than a measure.

But again, I tell you that just like some Prince fans, there are rabid MJ fans who, no matter how many videos or a capela clips you show them, will just not recognize that MJ is anything but perfect. I am having a debate with someone who orgnoted me two weeks after I responded to him, and when I asked this orger to back up what they were saying, all they could say in response was, "you can argue all you want, but it's a fact."

angel345 said:

He didn't have drug problems until 1993

angel345 said:

Wow! What were you smoking? You make it sound like he's a known drug addict, like Amy Winehouse, all his career! Some fact checking would do you good! There was only one (acknowledged) period where he had a problem with prescription painkillers and that was before/during the first allegations in '93, when he canceled the remaining dates of the Dangerous tour and went into rehab in the UK! He dedicated '97's "Blood on the dancefloor" (not Invincible) to Elton John!

angel345 said:

They were recorded around the same time in 1990

Um I don't get it.....

trueiopian said:

It's the org, nothing makes sense here



ESCAPE WHILE YOU STILL CAN!

WaterInYourBath said:

Eh-hee-heee I love that song and performance!
But that audience is scary

PatrickS77 said:

PATRICK!

Annika said:

Um give him f--ing break! He probably was tired....That performance was smokin' hott especially when he was seducing that mic stand

trueiopian said:

midnightmover said:

If you are really into music and have a good knowledge about music , you would already know that Dirty diana is one of the hardest songs to sing live, vocally its a very hard song to do on stage , and before you jump into the "MJ fanatic who justifys anything related to Mj" bandwagon, ask any learned musician about vocals. this song is just tought vocally.

dirty diana is fun to sing though also very tricky. It's like you have to get into it and just keep going without stopping even if you make a mistake. I think he sang it well in the e minor and f minor scales when they lowered the keys for the tour

I think screaming like tarzan on stage probably killed his voice though it's still one of the best voices ever, especially in the early years.

PatrickS77 said:

Well e-slap me twice. Listen, I will look into this more and I didn't mean at all to come off as him being another Amy Winehouse. I know that word "throughout" will throw everyone off. Ok, thank you.
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I think that I should lay off MJ blogs for awhile. The man is human NOT GOD, and so are we. Too many pitbull comments when it comes to him and I shouldn't involve myself in it. Does he care what we say, anyway?

angel345 said:

What's your name on the MJ boards? I may have talked to you... if I forgot who you were, I have a one-track mind at times.

bboy87 said:

9 of those songs were mimed (the ones I bolded), except for ending vocals on some of them. Black or White was done live (over playback) the first couple of shows, then mimed, wasn't it?

Anyway, Michael has been miming / lip syncing his entire career. So many of the J5's TV performances weren't live, the entire Jacksons TV show wasn't live- they were simply re-recorded vocals for TV. It's not like this is anything new for MJ.

Also, MJ isn't the only person to have problems with remembering lyrics. Beyonce readily admits to stuffing up lyrics time and time again on stage. (Oh yeah, and she lip syncs in concert too!) (just using B as an example)

I am not defending it btw, just pointing out a few things. i'd much rather hear a rough live vocal than a lip synced one.

marnifrances said:

Only a couple of spots from "The Jacksons" were lipsynched

bboy87 said:

All of their performances on Soul Train were lip-synced, some of the group's performances on "Ed Sullivan" and "American Bandstand" were also lipped, as were their performance of "I Want You Back" on the Hollywood Palace (I don't know who was singing "live" but it wasn't the Jacksons). Their 1979 Midnight Special was lipped. Michael has had his share of lipped performances on TV shows in the past. Most of his Grammy performance in 1988 was also lipped save for the final moments when he drops to his knees after doing his spins. Most of the MTV '95 performances were lipped also (save for the ending of "You Are Not Alone"). I think the only times MJ WITHOUT the Jacksons performed in front of a live audience FULLY LIVE was the Sammy Davis tribute special ("You Were There") and the Clinton inauguration. And this is excluding concert specials where we had to figure out if he was singing live or not.

Timmy84 said:

But I was talking about The Jacksons variety show