With all the documentaries and Ms. Shakur clearing all these remixed posthumous albums and his friends releasing material with his name although the work doesn't have much to do with Tupac, and with Ms. Wallace releasing this new movie AND Diddy basically milking BIG's material for the past couple of years....what do you think?

Hell yeah. Didn't one of them used to be a crackhead?

vainandy said:

Nah

One of them was part of the Black Panthers and the other was a single mother working at an employment agency

Put it this way-I have more respect for Voletta than I do for Afeni. Voletta seems genuinely sweet. I will never forget an interview that Jada Pinkett did talking about growing up with Pac and saying his mom would kick him out and he would have to say with her. Afeni seems kind of cutty.

I have worked at a place that had dealings with her and I don't think my assessment is far off.

bboy87 said:

Afeni WAS a crackhead and yes they're both milking their sons' legacies dry.

I think Biggie's money goes to Faith Evans and their children?

2pac? Sheeit, he's living in Barbados.

SCNDLS said:

my bad, I forgot all about that

I was thinking about how I've been a fan of Tupac for years YET I refuse to buy
these new releases like Loyal To The Game and Pac's Life because I feel they do more harm than good (Remixing the original material and adding guest stars, some who didn't even get along with Tupac when he was alive or how Eminem manipulated the tape to make it seem like Tupac was saying "G Unit!")

Cinnie said:

He was divorced from Faith when he died, if I'm not mistaken. So his mother got the bulk of his estate until the kids come of age. That's why she's the face that you see on anything Biggie related.

bboy87 said:

I REFUSE to buy anything from either artist after their last album. There's a reason most of that shit that's released now were outtakes: because the artists themselves felt they were subpar and didn't want to release them. I wanna hear them at them at the top of their game not some mishmashed bullshit.

SCNDLS said:

you know what? i have often thought about this but was nervous to admit it but yeah i kind of get that vibe from biggie's mother but i hope i am wrong.

bboy87 said:

Yeah ...the same way Yoko Ono owner has cashed in on John Lennon's death, right?

WTF???....lol

murph said:

Did Yoko ever take John's outtakes, remixed them with guest stars, and release them?

bboy87 said:

You never heard Free As A Bird and Real Love I take it.Those might be slightly more defensible since the other Beatles also wanted to do it. Maybe there was art going on there.

I guess if I died I would like to know someone was keeping my stuff out there, keeping it alive. But I'd be rolling in my grave if all the albums that came out were shitty.

bobzilla77 said:

That's what I'm saying

The past 2 albums by Tupac "Loyal 2 The Game" and "Pac's Life" are terrible

if anything, I would want to hear the original versions, although I know that might be sample clearance hell

bobzilla77 said:

It depends on who has the rights to the material...sometimes labels have the rights to material of an artist no matter who the artist is...In fact Tupac's mom was battling it out with Suge for years for the rights to her son's unreleased work...

But I see something else going on here...Some people on this thread are making excuses for folks and shitting on others...I bought up Yoko just to see if this post was just another "I hate hip hop" post...And indeed it was...
[Edited 1/15/09 20:03pm]

murph said:

Who in here hates hip hop? As a fellow OKP, I'm offended

I made this thread because after as a fan of Tupac, I think it sucks how his unreleased material has been released in such a stupid manner. It wasn't cool how Eminem and his crew mixed the tape to say "G Unit" on Loyal To The Game or how artists who weren't cool with 'Pac when he was alive

I also think that people like The Outlawz milk his legacy to their own advantage

Cinnie said:

You've got it all wrong, friend. Pac, Kurt, and Elvis opened up a hotdog stand in Maui a couple years back.

no comment

but yesterday i was feelin like afeni in a bathrobe one half of her head combed the other half don king and pipe in hand. lawd bad day!

bboy87 said:

Listen, I work closely with Tupac's family and friends and am part of a group he started with his adopted brother just before he passed.

I also made a BBC documentary out in LA a couple of years ago as part of the 10th anniversary tribute to him, and here's what I can tell you.

Afeni has basically nothing to do with what happens to the music. All the business decisions come from a white woman called Dina that guess what, is universally disliked by any fan or associate that has come into contact with her. When I interviewed Leila Steinberg (Pac's first manager and the woman that really got him into writing poetry through her poetry groups), she damn near started crying when we got onto the topic of Dina.

Not to mention, a man who would become a good friend of mine, the late, great Johnny J (RIP), told me when I was at his studio and looking at all his platinum plaques, that he hated what they did to Loyal To The Game with Eminem producing it, and he point blank refused to put the plaque on his wall that they sent him for that album (as some of the production on those tracks was his before Eminem remixed it all).

Furthermore, Johnny played me some mixes he had done for "Pacs Life" (this was before it came out), and they were amazing, and shitted all over the versions that got released that were done by other producers. Johnny's version of "Play Ya Cardz Right" had Charlie Wilson on the hook and it was dope as hell.

So yes, there are business decisions going on that stop the quality work by the real producers coming out in favor of less talented new jacks like Eminem (who admitted that he only spent a week producing Loyal To The Game), and stop the original associates, even people like Pac's stepbrother Mopreme and adopted brother Candyman 187 (who lives with Kadafi's mom and takes care of Kadafi's kids), appearing on the new releases, even though that's what all the fans want. But the person to blame for that isn't Afeni, it's Dina.

Anyway, since Johnny passed a few months ago, I've been editing segments from the interview I did with him two years ago and going through photos from that trip, and I will be putting a tribute out on YouTube soon. I'll probably post it here when it's done.

Militant said:

I thoughts Afeni sued and won to get control from Suge Knight?

bboy87 said:

The Outlawz?....lol

murph said:

Here in the Bay, they still use his name to get recognition

I don't blame it on the mothers per se, it's more on Suge's and Puffy's shoulders. Now THOSE fools help to milk their legacies worse than Afeni and Voletta were doing.

Timmy84 said:

What about what blogger Militant was saying. Don't you think that holds some weight, too about this whole thing?

Remember the movie Sylvester Stallone was making? I remember at one time he was going to make a JFK style movie on Biggie & Tupac?

Militant said:

I've heard about Dina somewhere but not much

angel345 said:

If all they're doing is remembering him, then I don't see the problem, that's different than what Puffy and Suge's stupid asses have been doing for the last twelve, thirteen years almost.

Timmy84 said:

Diddy is the epitome of it.

http://soul88.blogspot.co...vie-i.html

and dude STILL had time to plug the soundtrack

bboy87 said:

Man I don't wanna hear that bitch's mouth.

SCNDLS said:

Actually, they were still legally married, but Faith was good about sharing her part of the inheritance with his mother knowing that 1. He would've wanted his mother taken care of and 2. That marriage was done anyway. (I'm impressed with her for doing the right thing. She could've easily left mama living in her apartment in Brooklyn as she wasn't obligated to do one thing for her.)

Even if they were legally divorced, parents don't trump children when it comes to an inheritance.