Timmy84 said:

Does every established artists have the money or is business savvy enough to go independent? If not, then if they want to cut another record, they have to play along or stay out.

'Can't Slow Down' was truly the last great Lionel Richie album.I haven't bought any of his solo albums that came after.I'll just wait patiently for the Commodores reunion.I pray that it won't involve any hip hop guest stars.

angel345 said:

Lionel's money is HELLA long so he ain't got NO excuse for this travesty. Same for 'face.

Last night I heard a Lil Wayne song featuring Babyface

angel345 said:

Lionel's money is HELLA long so he ain't got NO excuse for this travesty. Same for 'face.

angel345 said:

That's why established artists have better chances going INDEPENDENT.

What?!?! Lionel and Akon??? WTH! This is INSANE! What's next? Beyonce and Tina Turner doing a performance together? (oh wait, that already happened )

But seriously, Akon? I mean really? What is his appeal? I just dont see it. First Michael Jackson and now Lionel--maybe he's got some mad skills that he isnt showing the public and only shows it to the legends he wants to work with

Timmy84 said:

I recall reading that Madonna had to sell her company Maverick, Prince is doing well with Paisley Park,and MJ had to give up MJJ Productions because of bad business deals and embezzlement. So going independent is a great move, ain't nothing like having your own,but like any business it could be risky. Would you agree?
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Lionel wants to make some cash . Are there Akon fans out there that will buy anything he is on ..yes. Is it right... no. dude has bills to pay and the royalties from "Hello" just arent what they used to be.
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The problem is, these older artists don't seem to realize that the times have changed and that most kids these days will not accept an older artist like we did when we were teenagers in the 1980s. Back in the early 1980s, we loved the new music from older artists like The Four Tops "When She Was My Girl", The Temptations "Standing On The Top", Diana Ross "Upside Down", The Chi-Lites "Bottoms Up", Marvin Gaye "Sexual Healing", George Clinton "Atomic Dog", etc. These were all older artists from previous decades and we loved their music right along side the artists of the 1980s such as Prince, Rick James, Midnight Star, etc. The reason that we loved the older artists is because their music, whether old or new, was real music and the music that our new artists made was still real music.

Apparently these older artists seem to think that these kids today are as accepting of older artists like we were. Hell, we had gone through several style changes by the time we were teenagers and in our 20s. The only thing these kids know today for their entire lifetime has been shit hop and that's it. And the record labels these days market music these days mainly to kids and kids only. It wasn't like that back then. Just look who owns a lot of the labels these days....Universal and Disney. That's kid shit and we wouldn't have been caught dead back in the day with no Disney label shit in our collection. And also with all the shit hop music, comes the shit hop lifestyle also which has no manners or respect whatsoever for anyone. Hell, we had respect for older people when we were growing up. These shit hoppers don't even have respect for each other let alone someone older. The labels are also marketing shit to a much younger age than they used to. We had folks in their 30s that liked our music. Very few people in their 30s likes today's music unless they are warped in the head.

After saying all that, these older artists don't seem to realize that these kids today are not like we were. The majority of them don't want to have anything to do with an older artist, regardless as to whether that older artist sells out to them or not. And these older artists also need to realize that us older people are not going to buy their shit when they sell out. I think we need to just let them sell out, don't buy the shit, sit back and watch the youngsters not buy the shit either, and let the older artists lose a ton of money making a sellout album. If the older artists would realize that their fans are the older crowd and that the majority of the younger crowd doesn't like them no matter what they do, then they could make music for us, the kind of music that we like, and they could make at least some sales instead of hardly any at all. These older artists keep thinking they are going to make a big comeback to the mainstream and that's not going to happen. The only people I've seen successful at it are The Isley Brothers and that new shit of their's was a total fucking disgrace as well as embarassment.
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The problem is, these older artists don't seem to realize that the times have changed and that most kids these days will not accept an older artist like we did when we were teenagers in the 1980s. Back in the early 1980s, we loved the new music from older artists like The Four Tops "When She Was My Girl", The Temptations "Standing On The Top", Diana Ross "Upside Down", The Chi-Lites "Bottoms Up", Marvin Gaye "Sexual Healing", George Clinton "Atomic Dog", etc. These were all older artists from previous decades and we loved their music right along side the artists of the 1980s such as Prince, Rick James, Midnight Star, etc. The reason that we loved the older artists is because their music, whether old or new, was real music and the music that our new artists made was still real music.

Apparently these older artists seem to think that these kids today are as accepting of older artists like we were. Hell, we had gone through several style changes by the time we were teenagers and in our 20s. The only thing these kids know today for their entire lifetime has been shit hop and that's it. And the record labels these days market music these days mainly to kids and kids only. It wasn't like that back then. Just look who owns a lot of the labels these days....Universal and Disney. That's kid shit and we wouldn't have been caught dead back in the day with no Disney label shit in our collection. And also with all the shit hop music, comes the shit hop lifestyle also which has no manners or respect whatsoever for anyone. Hell, we had respect for older people when we were growing up. These shit hoppers don't even have respect for each other let alone someone older. The labels are also marketing shit to a much younger age than they used to. We had folks in their 30s that liked our music. Very few people in their 30s likes today's music unless they are warped in the head.

After saying all that, these older artists don't seem to realize that these kids today are not like we were. The majority of them don't want to have anything to do with an older artist, regardless as to whether that older artist sells out to them or not. And these older artists also need to realize that us older people are not going to buy their shit when they sell out. I think we need to just let them sell out, don't buy the shit, sit back and watch the youngsters not buy the shit either, and let the older artists lose a ton of money making a sellout album. If the older artists would realize that their fans are the older crowd and that the majority of the younger crowd doesn't like them no matter what they do, then they could make music for us, the kind of music that we like, and they could make at least some sales instead of hardly any at all. These older artists keep thinking they are going to make a big comeback to the mainstream and that's not going to happen. The only people I've seen successful at it are The Isley Brothers and that new shit of their's was a total fucking disgrace as well as embarassment.
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newpower99 said:

but no one is going to buy this, especially now in this day and age, i can guarantee this album sells about 150,000 overall if hes lucky, and thats a big IF, because even Akon's album isnt moving units. With the business the way it is, Lionel could have just done something that would get him his audience, this, this isnt going to get anyone.