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Reply #30 posted 01/10/09 8:35am

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I"ll admit mint condition is a more seasoned, more current band.
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Reply #31 posted 01/10/09 9:37am

SPYZFAN1

Both are great, but T.T.T has had more upbeat dance tracks than MC. But I respect them both. Wish there were more bands like them today.
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Reply #32 posted 01/10/09 11:22am

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And while I admit it's a decent track, it's also part of the problem with the Tony's, for me. If I wanna hear Al Green, I'm gonna put on Al Green. Not 3T doing Al Green. 'Holy Smokes and Gee Whiz' was a Stylistics bite. Raphael Saadiq's new album is one giant tribute to classic soul. Saadiq knows how to write a great tune, but he wears his influences a bit too high on the sleeve...


This is why i dug this album more than any tonies album. Besides let's get
down they said screw the trends at the time and took a step into classic soul.
They could have easily stuck to the formula they had been using which was
mixing their style of r&b with a lot of hip hop samples. I think that's why
this album was less successful chartwise than the rest of their albums.


Don't get me wrong, what I said wasn't a slam at all. Largely, I enjoy 3T. But you can have a 'classic soul' sound without aping a classic soul artist. On some songs they did just that. I find 'Let Me Know' to be a beautiful ballad in that vein but very much a 3T song. I guess I just see less of a point in doing things like 'Thinking Of You' than some others do.
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Reply #33 posted 01/10/09 11:31am

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To be honest, I've never been truly impressed with the Tonys. I've always found them to be too derivative and while they have dropped a few cuts that I really like, I've never found them to be a "can't live without" type of artist. The Mint, on the other hand, have been creative, innovative and made records that are must-haves if you like artists that take R&B to the next level. Their musical arrangements blow 3T away and in my opinion, they are just a much better set of collective minds. A lot of people go off singles and "hits" but when you get into the CDs, the Mint has always had more to offer musically in my opinion.
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Reply #34 posted 01/10/09 11:47am

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vainandy said:



Four or five ballads on one album are still too many. When I was growing up, since I couldn't get an album as often as I could get a 45 or a 12 Inch (because someone else was buying), the only artists in which I bought albums were the ones that I knew were only going to have about two (maybe three tops) ballads on the album such as Prince, Rick James, The Barkays, Lakeside, Cameo, etc. If I liked a ballad, I would usually buy the 45.

So seeing how I grew up, you can see why I would be pissed as living motherfucking hell when things changed and the majority of artists made slow music only.
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Yes I know what you mean. I am a dancer and didnt even like slow jams until about 1996 or 1997 when I started listening to all the slow jams my mom used to. Vain man you got to send me some of your favorite uptempo funk jams!

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To be honest, I've never been truly impressed with the Tonys. I've always found them to be too derivative and while they have dropped a few cuts that I really like, I've never found them to be a "can't live without" type of artist. The Mint, on the other hand, have been creative, innovative and made records that are must-haves if you like artists that take R&B to the next level. Their musical arrangements blow 3T away and in my opinion, they are just a much better set of collective minds. A lot of people go off singles and "hits" but when you get into the CDs, the Mint has always had more to offer musically in my opinion.


But i couldnt buy their cd's because all the songs they came out with basically wall slow jams. I never to be honest really heard their later albums after the one with Pretty Brwon Eyes on it
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Reply #35 posted 01/10/09 12:29pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

To be honest, I've never been truly impressed with the Tonys. I've always found them to be too derivative and while they have dropped a few cuts that I really like, I've never found them to be a "can't live without" type of artist. The Mint, on the other hand, have been creative, innovative and made records that are must-haves if you like artists that take R&B to the next level. Their musical arrangements blow 3T away and in my opinion, they are just a much better set of collective minds. A lot of people go off singles and "hits" but when you get into the CDs, the Mint has always had more to offer musically in my opinion.
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Reply #36 posted 01/11/09 7:03pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

To be honest, I've never been truly impressed with the Tonys. I've always found them to be too derivative and while they have dropped a few cuts that I really like, I've never found them to be a "can't live without" type of artist. The Mint, on the other hand, have been creative, innovative and made records that are must-haves if you like artists that take R&B to the next level. Their musical arrangements blow 3T away and in my opinion, they are just a much better set of collective minds. A lot of people go off singles and "hits" but when you get into the CDs, the Mint has always had more to offer musically in my opinion.[/b]
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I kind of felt that way with Sons of Soul. There were like 4 or 5 knockout cuts but then the rest was just meh. Then they stepped up their game imo with House
of Music but it wasn't a singles album for the R&b/hip hop crowd at the time like their previous albums. HOM was more classic soul.
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Reply #37 posted 01/11/09 8:38pm

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3Ts was a success? Surprise the hell out of me!

Imean they've been disbanded since 98 or whatevah.

MC might not have vids & hits but at least they're still together.
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Reply #38 posted 01/11/09 9:24pm

diamondpearl1

neither band is greater than the other, especially when they have one major thing in common....the fact that when they arrived on the scene at their respective times, they were the last of the black bands when all the others wre non existent.... the edge i give 2 Mint is that they can play everything from r&b 2 jazz or even hard rock....
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Reply #39 posted 01/11/09 10:07pm

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love 'em both equally, and i wish there were more discussions like THIS instead of beyonce' ne-yo, rihanna (aka "beyonce' jr.") and the like.....
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Reply #40 posted 01/11/09 10:42pm

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PFunkjazz said:

3Ts was a success? Surprise the hell out of me!

Imean they've been disbanded since 98 or whatevah.

MC might not have vids & hits but at least they're still together.
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Dude, tell me you just didn't type that! lol
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Reply #41 posted 01/11/09 10:55pm

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In terms of both groups, I think Mint Condition has more originality. Those guys not only play as well as they write and sing but they do it almost effortlessly. The major roadblock for Tony! Toni! Tone! was they were a group that had a funk-soul sensibility in the new jack swing era plus when they did try to do soulful grooves, their songs almost sound like Prince, Al Green, Marvin Gaye, Isley Brothers and Curtis Mayfield ripoffs. That being said, both groups were great and I enjoyed both sets' music.
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Reply #42 posted 01/12/09 3:45am

SoulAlive

Every so often,I keep hearing that the Tonys are gonna reunite but it never happens.Anyone know wassup with that?
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Reply #43 posted 01/12/09 8:54am

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Mint Condition is waaaaayyyyy better than the 3 T's, IMO. So for me, the question is irrelevant.
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Reply #44 posted 01/12/09 8:59am

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SoulAlive said:

Every so often,I keep hearing that the Tonys are gonna reunite but it never happens.Anyone know wassup with that?


They have reunited although without ray sadiiq. The tonies have been touring
the past couple of years off and on with a guy named cousin pete replacing
sadiiq which brings me to the question what really went down when these guys
disbanded not long after the release of House of Music.
I know vibe did a big article on the guys saying that they may have been a
little tension in the group. They recorded some of the songs seperately.
It seems sadiiq was concentrating on outside projects and eventually going
solo.
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Reply #45 posted 01/13/09 5:05am

SoulAlive

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SoulAlive said:

Every so often,I keep hearing that the Tonys are gonna reunite but it never happens.Anyone know wassup with that?


They have reunited although without ray sadiiq. The tonies have been touring
the past couple of years off and on with a guy named cousin pete replacing
sadiiq which brings me to the question what really went down when these guys
disbanded not long after the release of House of Music.
I know vibe did a big article on the guys saying that they may have been a
little tension in the group. They recorded some of the songs seperately.
It seems sadiiq was concentrating on outside projects and eventually going
solo.


Yeah,I remember that Vibe article.It's from 1996,around the time that 'House Of Music' was released.I couldn't believe that there was so much tension and drama surrounding them.However,the tension inspired to them to make one of their strongest,most amazing albums....lol...it's a shame that they broke up so soon after it was released.They could have really taken the concept much further on future albums.
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Reply #46 posted 01/13/09 5:14am

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SoulAlive said:

If you forced me to choose,I would pick Tony Toni Tone.Their 1996 album 'House Of Music' is INCREDIBLE.


That CD is a modern classic.....the creative juice flowing all over each track it's off the scale.. cool
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Reply #47 posted 01/14/09 5:11am

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SoulAlive said:

If you forced me to choose,I would pick Tony Toni Tone.Their 1996 album 'House Of Music' is INCREDIBLE.


That CD is a modern classic.....the creative juice flowing all over each track it's off the scale.. cool


That reminds me...I need to get another copy of that CD! I loaned it to someone and never saw it again mad
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Reply #48 posted 01/14/09 7:19pm

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Raphael Saadiq.
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because those who mind don't matter
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Reply #49 posted 01/15/09 3:05am

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SoulAlive said:

If you forced me to choose,I would pick Tony Toni Tone.Their 1996 album 'House Of Music' is INCREDIBLE.



Finally! I agree 100%
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Reply #50 posted 01/15/09 3:54am

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Despite the fact that Mint Condition has held together longer, their last banging album was 1996's "Definition of a Band" and they haven't been able to maintain that originality and creativity since in my opinion. 'Life's Aquarium' had about 5 tracks that lived up to the standard they created, but everything since has been an attempt to chase and fuse R&B trends and silly-written songs. I love both groups but I give more credit to the Tonies.
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Reply #51 posted 01/16/09 2:53pm

junebug18

Does anyone know what was supposed to be the 3rd single from House Of Music?
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Reply #52 posted 01/16/09 2:56pm

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SoulAlive said:

LondonStyle said:



That CD is a modern classic.....the creative juice flowing all over each track it's off the scale.. cool


That reminds me...I need to get another copy of that CD! I loaned it to someone and never saw it again mad

I can't even listen to House of Music anymore lol

When it came out, I was 9 or 10 and my mom was IN LOVE with "Thinking Of You" and would play that shit all day lol
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Reply #53 posted 01/16/09 5:51pm

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Intresting comparison, for some reason I don’t think of the two bands in the same breath. I tend to think of 3T as more 80s/90s nostalgic r&b and mint condition as timeless soul/funk. I like them both, but for different reasons. There are some Mint Conditon songs that make me lose my mind-the last minute of “so fine” still gets me, probably a decade after it came out. “someone to love”, same story…From the mint and luxury brown are two of the most regularly rotated albums in my collection. As for the Tonies, they have certainly had their hits, and I’ve enjoyed them all from little walter onward…, but I tend to smile and sing-along moreso than lose my mind over their music. Their best complete album for me was certainly House of Music. I rotate it fairly often, but it wouldn’t make my “desert island” list. I’d have to take some MC to the island. There’s just something a bit funkier/passionate about them.
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