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PrintableMarrk said: vainandy said: Really? Are we talking about the same Michael here? I don't remember Michael being a shit hopper that never got past midtempo. From what I remember, Michael delivered some ass-shakin' jams. Well, Yeah! But you know, Yeah they're weak, you can see it there. Nobody in ruffles and heels screaming like they getting raped. P did that, Mike didn't. (allegedly, and i do believe!) In the 70's and 80's Mike was better and more influential, sold more, more influential simple as that, i saw plenty of white gloves in school, nothing P related, he waa the bad guy! (that's why i dug him too, i rooted for Darth Vader back in th 80's too, supercool!) I consider Prince a whole different game to Mike, alway have, since i saw him playing guitar like the 13yr old i was, never seen or heard a black guy do that, but i'd been a fan of Mike since before i could walk. I was Motown in the womb. Nobody will understand but these constant P vs Mj threads get me down so much. Apart from eyeliner and their age, they have nothing in common! They meant in terms of musical style. Anyone can imitate Michael, but I don't want that.  I've seen singers imitate Prince too and I don't want that either.
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alphastreet said: Annika said: Or maybe he liked the rest of the house and didn't really care that it had an excess of bathrooms? Just a thought.  then it sounds to me like he still blindly spends money without being reasonable, hasn't learned since the stupid shopping spree on the bashir special.... someone could have bought it for inner city kids instead, lord know how messed up they are in LA and can benefit from services... [Edited 1/8/09 13:28pm] Did you think he had? I'm not saying I think it was a good choice (that has to be the tackiest house I've ever seen!), just that I doubt the number of bathrooms influenced his choice much one way or the other.  | |
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purplecam said: alphastreet said: I love her voice too, it's so pretty and I think she should have really done a Sade-esque album like the label wanted. Jazzy stuff would really suit her voice
I would love to see her take a risk and do something like that too. She's too interested in dancing and while I'm down with that too, its not bringing too many new fans or even old fans to the record store to pick up her new CD's. my friend and I were talking about music and though she's a little younger, she has really good taste in old and new and we were talking about how madonna reinvents herself and then she said she likes janet but she always does the same thing showing her midriff and wearing tight suits and though I love janet's new work too and defended her saying she used to change her hair all the time and her soudn, some of her recent albums sound similar too and with madonna i can't name 2 albums that are the same. I think people want to like her but she's just being predictable. If she had an image that matched some of the non released tracks on her current albums and just focused on r&b/jazz she will be respected again, I'm still waiting for her to have a kid and put out a Ray of Light, but it's not happening. I love her dancing so much too but the new choreography is not as strong as it once was. | |
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Annika said: alphastreet said: then it sounds to me like he still blindly spends money without being reasonable, hasn't learned since the stupid shopping spree on the bashir special.... someone could have bought it for inner city kids instead, lord know how messed up they are in LA and can benefit from services... [Edited 1/8/09 13:28pm] Did you think he had? I'm not saying I think it was a good choice (that has to be the tackiest house I've ever seen!), just that I doubt the number of bathrooms influenced his choice much one way or the other. well most people would be reasonable about what they're purchasing and considering just how much space they need or don't need. And it's not just the bathrooms, it's a few other things too, 4 people do not need that many. Maybe he has security, maids etc. but honestly? | |
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alphastreet said: purplecam said: I would love to see her take a risk and do something like that too. She's too interested in dancing and while I'm down with that too, its not bringing too many new fans or even old fans to the record store to pick up her new CD's. my friend and I were talking about music and though she's a little younger, she has really good taste in old and new and we were talking about how madonna reinvents herself and then she said she likes janet but she always does the same thing showing her midriff and wearing tight suits and though I love janet's new work too and defended her saying she used to change her hair all the time and her soudn, some of her recent albums sound similar too and with madonna i can't name 2 albums that are the same. I think people want to like her but she's just being predictable. If she had an image that matched some of the non released tracks on her current albums and just focused on r&b/jazz she will be respected again, I'm still waiting for her to have a kid and put out a Ray of Light, but it's not happening. I love her dancing so much too but the new choreography is not as strong as it once was. I hear ya. I want her to get away from the whole "sex kitten" thing she's been on since 1993. At some point, you have to get out of the bed and face the real world and I would love to hear her sing about some real world stuff. I would love a "Rhythm Nation 21st Century" type of CD. Even if it wasn't like that, something of substance that would make me go WHOA! I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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I love how many "MJ threads" always go off topic. I don't why some fans think the reason these threads get the replies they do is because of Michael, but I don't see it. | |
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alphastreet said: Annika said: Did you think he had? I'm not saying I think it was a good choice (that has to be the tackiest house I've ever seen!), just that I doubt the number of bathrooms influenced his choice much one way or the other. well most people would be reasonable about what they're purchasing and considering just how much space they need or don't need. And it's not just the bathrooms, it's a few other things too, 4 people do not need that many. Maybe he has security, maids etc. but honestly? Like I said, I'm not saying it was smart, just predictable. | |
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Marrk said:
But you know, Yeah they're weak, you can see it there. Nobody in ruffles and heels screaming like they getting raped. P did that, Mike didn't. (allegedly, and i do believe!) That's what made Prince the baddest of all time. Nobody could scream like Prince.
In the 70's and 80's Mike was better and more influential, sold more, more
influential simple as that, i saw plenty of white gloves in school, nothing P related, he waa the bad guy! (that's why i dug him too, i rooted for Darth Vader back in th 80's too, supercool!) That's because Michael wore mostly jeans, a jacket, and loafers. The only thing outrageous he wore in those days was maybe a glove or sequined socks. Anybody could shop in a store and dress like Michael. Prince, on the other hand, was outrageous and you couldn't find Prince clothes in the stores. And even if you could, he had to be a bold badass to wear them. That's another thing that's missing in today's music, boldness, outrageousness, and individuality both music and appearancewise. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Marrk said:
But you know, Yeah they're weak, you can see it there. Nobody in ruffles and heels screaming like they getting raped. P did that, Mike didn't. (allegedly, and i do believe!) That's what made Prince the baddest of all time. Nobody could scream like Prince.
In the 70's and 80's Mike was better and more influential, sold more, more
influential simple as that, i saw plenty of white gloves in school, nothing P related, he waa the bad guy! (that's why i dug him too, i rooted for Darth Vader back in th 80's too, supercool!) That's because Michael wore mostly jeans, a jacket, and loafers. The only thing outrageous he wore in those days was maybe a glove or sequined socks. Anybody could shop in a store and dress like Michael. Prince, on the other hand, was outrageous and you couldn't find Prince clothes in the stores. And even if you could, he had to be a bold badass to wear them. That's another thing that's missing in today's music, boldness, outrageousness, and individuality both music and appearancewise. In the 1980s, Michael was considered wholesome and eloquent by the mainstream press. Whereas Prince was "his royal badness", "freaky", "controversial" and "dangerous".
I just remembered that Eddie Murphy skit where he talked about white folks thought Michael was just perfect and how they didn't get mad when he took Brooke Shields to the Grammys because they knew they weren't sexing or nothing. Eddie said this: "If I took Brooke to the Grammys, y'all lose your mind 'Cause you knew Brooke would get FUCKED that night!" | |
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vainandy said: Marrk said:
But you know, Yeah they're weak, you can see it there. Nobody in ruffles and heels screaming like they getting raped. P did that, Mike didn't. (allegedly, and i do believe!) That's what made Prince the baddest of all time. Nobody could scream like Prince.
In the 70's and 80's Mike was better and more influential, sold more, more
influential simple as that, i saw plenty of white gloves in school, nothing P related, he waa the bad guy! (that's why i dug him too, i rooted for Darth Vader back in th 80's too, supercool!) That's because Michael wore mostly jeans, a jacket, and loafers. The only thing outrageous he wore in those days was maybe a glove or sequined socks. Anybody could shop in a store and dress like Michael. Prince, on the other hand, was outrageous and you couldn't find Prince clothes in the stores. And even if you could, he had to be a bold badass to wear them. That's another thing that's missing in today's music, boldness, outrageousness, and individuality both music and appearancewise. AMEN!!!!! I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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that's so true about anyone dressing like michael, sometimes jackets that come in style or pants or whatever resemble what he used to wear, even if one is not trying to look like him, sometimes people will crack a joke and say very mj!
and lmfao vainandy, I love his gay scream at the end of kiss! | |
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Timmy84 said: Marrk said: Well, Yeah! But you know, Yeah they're weak, you can see it there. Nobody in ruffles and heels screaming like they getting raped. P did that, Mike didn't. (allegedly, and i do believe!) In the 70's and 80's Mike was better and more influential, sold more, more influential simple as that, i saw plenty of white gloves in school, nothing P related, he waa the bad guy! (that's why i dug him too, i rooted for Darth Vader back in th 80's too, supercool!) I consider Prince a whole different game to Mike, alway have, since i saw him playing guitar like the 13yr old i was, never seen or heard a black guy do that, but i'd been a fan of Mike since before i could walk. I was Motown in the womb. Nobody will understand but these constant P vs Mj threads get me down so much. Apart from eyeliner and their age, they have nothing in common! They meant in terms of musical style. Anyone can imitate Michael, but I don't want that. I've seen singers imitate Prince too and I don't want that either.
I don't care how well Mike influenced them, unfortunately most of them SUCK! oh i agree apart from "anyone can imitate Mike/? respect u, but no,u are wrong. grab a kid that can do at MJ's age, say,'A fool For Love' or for the common folk, 'Who's lovin' you?' real soul, right there. Prince has never been there in the studio. Live? yeah maybe, but a preteen child kills Prince for soul? maybe? [Edited 1/8/09 14:06pm] |
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Marrk said: Timmy84 said: They meant in terms of musical style. Anyone can imitate Michael, but I don't want that. I've seen singers imitate Prince too and I don't want that either.
I don't care how well Mike influenced them, unfortunately most of them SUCK! oh iagree apart from "anyone can imitate Mike/? respect u, but no,u are wrong. grab a kid that can do at MJ's age, say,'A fool For Love' or for the common folk, 'Who's lovin' you?' real soul, right there. Prince has never been there in the studio. Live? yeah maybe, but a preteen child kills Prince for soul? maybe? But see, my point is NO ONE OUT THERE can do what Mike did between ages 11-24. They don't show NO soul. Whereas Mike and Prince had/got them in bunches. Nobody they've influenced has given them any respect musically. It's like listening to muzak music on the friggin' elevator.  | |
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To Timmy84 only, i can't split them, don't 'Wanna' or should that be 'want 2' ?
I don't know,. Don't give a shit abou MJ's nonsense trials, don't care folk not buying P's albums far as i'm concerned, they are both in my blood and so important, i'd love to make it my mission in life to kill these comparison threads. |
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Timmy84 said: I love how many "MJ threads" always go off topic. I don't why some fans think the reason these threads get the replies they do is because of Michael, but I don't see it.
 I'm like, this WAS about his house, right??? How did it turn into MJ vs. Prince??? Lawd, ya'll are funny. | |
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purplecam said: alphastreet said: my friend and I were talking about music and though she's a little younger, she has really good taste in old and new and we were talking about how madonna reinvents herself and then she said she likes janet but she always does the same thing showing her midriff and wearing tight suits and though I love janet's new work too and defended her saying she used to change her hair all the time and her soudn, some of her recent albums sound similar too and with madonna i can't name 2 albums that are the same. I think people want to like her but she's just being predictable. If she had an image that matched some of the non released tracks on her current albums and just focused on r&b/jazz she will be respected again, I'm still waiting for her to have a kid and put out a Ray of Light, but it's not happening. I love her dancing so much too but the new choreography is not as strong as it once was. I hear ya. I want her to get away from the whole "sex kitten" thing she's been on since 1993. At some point, you have to get out of the bed and face the real world and I would love to hear her sing about some real world stuff. I would love a "Rhythm Nation 21st Century" type of CD. Even if it wasn't like that, something of substance that would make me go WHOA! Man! i aint halfway read this response, and i knew it was about madge, different league,i.e. lower one, she and her fans and most importantly, the media would like to think so, But at his moment in time nowhere near relevant in terms of Iinfluence compared to P and MJ. |
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Marrk said: To Timmy84 only, i can't split them, don't 'Wanna' or should that be 'want 2' ?
I don't know,. Don't give a shit abou MJ's nonsense trials, don't care folk not buying P's albums far as i'm concerned, they are both in my blood and so important, i'd love to make it my mission in life to kill these comparison threads. Doing that is easier said than done.  | |
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You know sooner or later their bound to wind up at the same Kingdom Hall...
It'd make a great Sitcom Call its Doo Doo & the Kid I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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Or maybe even a reality T.V. show...
Making The Hasbeen! I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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SCNDLS said: Timmy84 said: I love how many "MJ threads" always go off topic. I don't why some fans think the reason these threads get the replies they do is because of Michael, but I don't see it.
I'm like, this WAS about his house, right??? How did it turn into MJ vs. Prince??? Lawd, ya'll are funny. I'm as bad as anyone, i'll admit it, i can't stand the venom towards Mike, i know he's an idiot to himself at times, and he destroyed Prince in sales, and he is lazy as fuck. and yet P is the better musician by a million miles damn it's true!!! all of it.. But damned if if Prince didn't dig the J5 back in the day, i'll eat my own asshole and disappear up it quite happily if i'm proved wrong.  [Edited 1/8/09 14:56pm] |
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laurarichardson said: Marrk said: Man put 'MJ' and 'Prince' in the same thread title and ask for trouble!
Interesting how Michael attracts so much venom from the Prince die-hards. Us neutrals (or fans of both) are amused that MJ can still afford to do this, despite being 'over' for so very long. allegedly!
Rubs a bit don't it Prince fans only?. Face it, worldwide Michael edges it by a distance, his catalogue sales are outlandish compared to Prince's. but i wish he wasn't such a lazy fucka these days. Michael aint broke. Some folks need to Wreckanize! If only Prince never wore heels, he might have beat Mike with the general public. of course, this all so ridiculous to me Love P ,Love MJ both the same. But Stevie owns them both. I'm gonna keep on laughin at these threads!
Michael is the main influence for young black singers these days, NOT Prince. He was simply more successful back then. Simple as that. I'd say these young guys (and laydeez) old folks were listening to MJ back in the 80's more than P. most folk were. Apart from the die-hard fans nobody gives a shit about P, unless it's a free album or cheap concert tix. Maybe it's Motown50, his legacy, or his influence, he is genuinely missed, Peeps are wanting MJ back. I get asked "When's this and that happening?" Answer? haven't a clue. [Edited 1/8/09 12:40pm] ----- “Face it, worldwide Michael edges it by a distance, his catalogue sales are outlandish compared to Prince's. but i wish he wasn't such a lazy fucka these days.” I am beginning to think you are still using drugs. No one in their right mind would expect Prince to sell as many CDs as MJ with song titles like “Head” and “Sister” I do not think for one minute Prince expected or wanted to sell as many CDS as Mike. As far as influence is concerned take a look at Timberland, and Neptune productions these days. Gee they sure do spend a lot of time trying to recreate that Line drum machine sound. P has had just as much of an influence on RnB and Pop music as Mike. P fans just hate on MJ because of the child molester allegations. It is creepy and Mike should not been given a pass. If he was anyone else he would be under the jail by now. Its funny how prince fans always discredit Mj's artistic infulence , claiming that MJ is a dancing puppet that infulenced the generation only dancing -wise, i can name alot of artists who infulenced by Mj vocals-wise. plus, The neptunes sound is sooooo heavyly infulenced by the OFF the wall sound, as for as Timerland, i don't take him seriously as a producer because the majority of his beats stolen from arabic beats and songs, in other words, he is a theif..... [Edited 1/8/09 14:58pm] MICHAEL JACKSON
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Marrk said: SCNDLS said: I'm like, this WAS about his house, right??? How did it turn into MJ vs. Prince??? Lawd, ya'll are funny. I'm as bad as anyone, i'll admit it, i can't stand the venom towards Mike, i know he's an idiot to himself at times, and he destroyed Prince in sales, and he is lazy as fuck. and yet P is the better musician by a million milesQ But damned if if Prince didn't dig the J5 back in the day, i'll eat my own asshole and disappear up it quite happily if i'm proved wrong. I see more Stevie Wonder in him than I do the J5. The only thing he saw was probably "oh finally kids who look like me". If he was really influenced by Mike, you'd think he jump on the chance to make his professional debut at 15 then 19, lol. | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: You know sooner or later their bound to wind up at the same Kingdom Hall...
It'd make a great Sitcom Call its Doo Doo & the Kid SHIT, they could be in a new version of THE ODD COUPLE. Michael will be the slouch and Prince will be the neat freak! | |
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Timmy84 said: EmbattledWarrior said: You know sooner or later their bound to wind up at the same Kingdom Hall...
It'd make a great Sitcom Call its Doo Doo & the Kid SHIT, they could be in a new version of THE ODD COUPLE. Michael will be the slouch and Prince will be the neat freak! I want MJ to knock on his do' askin' for some sugar. 
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SCNDLS said: Timmy84 said: SHIT, they could be in a new version of THE ODD COUPLE. Michael will be the slouch and Prince will be the neat freak! I want MJ to knock on his do' askin' for some sugar.
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Timmy84 said: Marrk said: I'm as bad as anyone, i'll admit it, i can't stand the venom towards Mike, i know he's an idiot to himself at times, and he destroyed Prince in sales, and he is lazy as fuck. and yet P is the better musician by a million milesQ But damned if if Prince didn't dig the J5 back in the day, i'll eat my own asshole and disappear up it quite happily if i'm proved wrong. I see more Stevie Wonder in him than I do the J5. The only thing he saw was 1999/probably "oh finally kids who look like me". If he was really influenced by Mike, you'd think he jump on the chance to make his professional debut at 15 then 19, lol. Well ,maybe he wasn't ready, I know the J5 vhad a pedigree with Motown and TSOP, but on their own on CBS, 'Destiny; was so far ahead of 'For You', 4U aint worth the time of day, P only caught up with MJ commercially (not artistically! Understand?) by the time 1999/Purple Rain rolled around'. and that was only due to the eyeliner comparisonsto MJ in the press in the 80's. It's only a recent development P is getting respect in the media over MJ. Intersting that current 'chart' artists are bucking the trend, maybe they're as confused as i am. Culturally Michael Jackson has had the biggest impact from those artists back in the day over Prince and Madonna, out of those three. I really believe that. Doesn't mean i'm liking what im hearing tho! |
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Marrk said: Timmy84 said: I see more Stevie Wonder in him than I do the J5. The only thing he saw was 1999/probably "oh finally kids who look like me". If he was really influenced by Mike, you'd think he jump on the chance to make his professional debut at 15 then 19, lol. Well ,maybe he wasn't ready, I know the J5 vhad a pedigree with Motown and TSOP, but on their own on CBS, 'Destiny; was so far ahead of 'For You', 4U aint worth the time of day, P only caught up with MJ commercially (not artistically! Understand?) by the time 1999/Purple Rain rolled around'. and that was only due to the eyeliner comparisonsto MJ in the press in the 80's. It's only a recent development P is getting respect in the media over MJ. Intersting that current 'chart' artists are bucking the trend, maybe they're as confused as i am. Culturally Michael Jackson has had the biggest impact from those artists back in the day over Prince and Madonna, out of those three. I really believe that. Doesn't mean i'm liking what im hearing tho! Artistically in a technical sense, both Michael and Prince were starting to explore their creativity at the same damn age (20). [Edited 1/8/09 15:25pm] | |
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SCNDLS said: Timmy84 said: SHIT, they could be in a new version of THE ODD COUPLE. Michael will be the slouch and Prince will be the neat freak! I want MJ to knock on his do' askin' for some sugar.
Prince: "Muthafucka we don't have no processed foods up in this joint! I'm vegan, bitch!" "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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Timmy84 said: alphastreet said: kanye and pharell's number one sounded like a madtv or snl parody of blame it on the boogie didn't it haha Yeah it was wack as fuck. I really liked Number 1  but the rest of the album was straight:pooptoast: Actually I blame Pharell and possibly Snoop for Kanye's latest release.  Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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Timmy84 said: Marrk said: Well ,maybe he wasn't ready, I know the J5 vhad a pedigree with Motown and TSOP, but on their own on CBS, 'Destiny; was so far ahead of 'For You', 4U aint worth the time of day, P only caught up with MJ commercially (not artistically! Understand?) by the time 1999/Purple Rain rolled around'. and that was only due to the eyeliner comparisonsto MJ in the press in the 80's. It's only a recent development P is getting respect in the media over MJ. Intersting that current 'chart' artists are bucking the trend, maybe they're as confused as i am. Culturally Michael Jackson has had the biggest impact from those artists back in the day over Prince and Madonna, out of those three. I really believe that. Doesn't mean i'm liking what im hearing tho! Artistically in a technical sense, both Michael and Prince were starting to explore their creativity at the same damn age (20).
[Edited 1/8/09 15:25pm] valid point. |
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