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Printablealphastreet said: angel I'm not offended at all by the responses. There is a reason I've posted here and not an mj board, I love all of you! Whether you're nice, whether you're anal, whether you're honest, and you all have a great sense of humor!
And lol @ at the stuff about an abusive boyfriend and emotional issues, that is EXACTLY what it feels like. I've concluded it was an addiction and I was emotionally dependent. I've never been in a long term relationship or been addicted to drinking or drugs, this was it instead. I've psychoanalyzed to death why I felt this way. When the allegations broke, I wasn't suicidal at all but I was very very angry, sad and freaking out, and if it wasn't for prayer and doing things to make myself happy and seperating myself from the tv, I would have gone crazy. It helped me slowly learn to back off without being attached though it was also painful. I had a lot of pain from when I was younger that shaped me as an adult and am reading self help books to understand why I act the way I do, not just over this, but with people and how I interact, and how I act, and just get to know myself again, minus being a fan that is. I used to feel mj and I were so alike, maybe we're just shy and pale, but everyone has struggled when they were younger and I don't want to fall victim to that and be sad forever, it's so important for me to stay happy and surround myself with positive energy. And I've realized that though I always liked mj, in grade 7 and 8 it just exploded and I realized that every time I had a social problem or anything I would turn to his music and use that as a distraction that I became an expert at repressing my emotions and turning to his music, videos etc. and the obsession was all an effort to mask my emotions. I love music so he inspired me as an artist too GREATLY, but now I'm dealing with a difficult coworker who reminds me of crap I dealt with in those days and I'm revisiting my past to clean up all the mess I've made with letting my like for an artist get so far. I've never been in a long term relationship ever, the longest I've dated someone was for 4 months, but maybe I was afraid. I don't want to get into issues I had over the years but realize that I overdid it. All this time I laughed at fans too though I could relate to some of them. I could relate to dancing around to the music and referencing everything mj-related, but I couldn't relate to marching with signs, even back then, I would rather do that for world issues. I always laughed at fanatical fans, but at the same time I was objective yet attached. By the way I've always liked different types of music, many old school artists just like timmy, except he knows way more than me LOL Although I like other music, I can never get obsessed ever again like I did with mj even if I wanted to. I love prince but I have no desire at all to buy everything he does though I respect him. I only have his 70's and some of his 80's albums, the hits albums and musicology & 3121 and I don't feel empty. I guess after 25 things d o change though. Though I still do like mainstream I feel like it's too repetitive and there is something better out there to listen to. When I was in my late teens, early 20's I was listening to classical like crazy, I want to get into jazz cause people say I should do jazz instead of r&b, but most of it bores me, I need to find someone that inspires me to do my best, right now mj does that but I want something more. [Edited 1/6/09 11:44am] [Edited 1/6/09 11:45am] [Edited 1/6/09 11:48am] [Edited 1/6/09 11:49am] Well, as long as you didn't break into Neverland, claim to have his baby, or kidnap Bubbles, then at least you know when to draw the line. Because some fans have drawn the line, some people equate being a MJ fan as looniness, including the ones who would not do such a thing. | |
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Annika said: purplecam said: And that's why I made it a point to say majority and not everyone. I know that there are fans like you and bboy87 that are about the music and not much more than that. You guys aren't a problem but you know the folks I'm talking about. I think you're wrong about it being the majority, though. It's just that the majority of fans like Timmy, bboy87 and others who just enjoy the music are usually quiet when there's no new music out. The result is that it seems like all MJ fans are crazy, but in fact the crazy ones are in the minority - it's just that you don't see the majority, you know? That's why people are always saying MJ has only a couple of hundred fans left, all of whom are insane, but then when something new comes out, it still mysteriosly does unexpectedly well in terms of sales (see Invincible, Thriller 25, etc). I agree. And for those of us who have studied Michael Jackson beyond just his musical output, that level of fandom still does not equate insanity. The fans who have "problems" (LOL) are the ones who don't know how to differentiate their fictional fantasies of Michael Jackson from the reality of Michael Jackson. There are also the literal idolaters who place him above all other human beings. I've seen fans like that on the internet, LOL, and it's very sad.  "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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WaterInYourBath said: alphastreet said: I had no feeling when I listened to him earlier today after months and months and didn't get excited at all when people brought him up the way I normally did though I was able to stay calm while talking about him.
[Edited 1/5/09 23:31pm] Wow, I've never experienced that. I've gone a few months without listening to his music, but when I get back around to him, my feeling is "Yay! Michael Jackson! Gee, it's been awhile." Then I go listen to something like "Off The Wall" or "Dangerous," or the audio interview he did with Diane Collins, and go crazy all over again. (His voice does it to me.  LOL. Always has.  )
Also, if he pops up randomly on TV, I still become happy to see him and start smiling (especially if I'm with people I know well and they all start looking and saying, "There's your man!" ). However, one aspect I do find myself kind-of avoiding now though is watching old footage. Along with having all J5 and MJ LPs, tapes, and CDs, I'm also the kind of fan that has darn-near everything regarding video footage. I used to be a serious MJ video "rewinder," especially of anything "Bad" related, and shows/concerts between 1976-1981 (my favorite years). But now, I guess after watching them over-and-over-again growing up (LOL), I tend to not play my J5/MJ VHSs and DVDs much anymore. Even after a long period, I don't have that same over-excitement over them like I did when I was little. Plus now its kind of depressing, looking at where he is today.... 
I'll never "break up" from MJ though. Never.  see I'm the same way too when I hear mj after months but this time I just wasn't, and maybe it's too depressing or something, but I don't want to feel depressed anymore and yeah people who write about him like he's some kind of politician and humanitarian, even if he donates money a lot are weird. I used to think of him like that too for ages though I'm mostly all about the music, j5 to present; but now I've just let it go and know about publicity and stuff like that. Many celebrities donate and give their time, he's not special for it like people make him out to be. I just think he's an attention whore now and even if he was genuine back in the day, it was bringing money in the bank and he became a threat before the first allegations, maybe all the shit that happened to him, as sad as it is and his own fault, was to bring him back down to earth and stop living in a fantasy land. | |
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purplecam said: JackieBlue said: I couldn't believe all the suicide talk and crying I heard when the first allegations broke. I wonder if he was convicted how many of his fans would fling themselves off the nearest bridge. I remember all of that. I love a bunch of artists but I would NEVER do that for any of them. That's some sick and twisted shit right there but sadly, it's to be expected with the majority of MJ fans. Not trying to start shit but that's a LOT of what I've seen over the years. more like minority because it's usually the same particular fans "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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purplecam said: Timmy84 said: I'm not surprised. I'm in the minority of those that really don't put all that interest into MJ like that. I don't have a lot of MJ memorabilia as it is anyways. Only thing I got from any artist I like is THE ALBUMS, that's about fuckin' it. Everything else for me is off the limits. And that's why I made it a point to say majority and not everyone. I know that there are fans like you and bboy87 that are about the music and not much more than that. You guys aren't a problem but you know the folks I'm talking about. Well, I'm a fan of the music and the man. Just like Prince and George Michael and to a lesser extent, Paul Weller and some artists. I like discussing the work AND their life because for me, it helps me better understand where they're coming from. I've always loved reading about them since I was real young (I spent a week reading and re-reading DMSR about 2 years ago) In some ways, real hardcore MJ fans are like the Prince fans in the M&M forum
Every artist has hardcore and fanatical fans. Check out a Beatles, Elvis, Bob Marley. One thing is for sure. You ain't gonna catch my black ass outside of a damn hotel singing Heal The World and passing out when I see his hand from the window "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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WaterInYourBath said: Annika said: I think you're wrong about it being the majority, though. It's just that the majority of fans like Timmy, bboy87 and others who just enjoy the music are usually quiet when there's no new music out. The result is that it seems like all MJ fans are crazy, but in fact the crazy ones are in the minority - it's just that you don't see the majority, you know? That's why people are always saying MJ has only a couple of hundred fans left, all of whom are insane, but then when something new comes out, it still mysteriosly does unexpectedly well in terms of sales (see Invincible, Thriller 25, etc). I agree. And for those of us who have studied Michael Jackson beyond just his musical output, that level of fandom still does not equate insanity. The fans who have "problems" (LOL) are the ones who don't know how to differentiate their fictional fantasies of Michael Jackson from the reality of Michael Jackson. There are also the literal idolaters who place him above all other human beings. I've seen fans like that on the internet, LOL, and it's very sad. You said it better than me  "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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I can understand what you are saying, sometimes people need some kind of change, I don't listen to Mj all the time , people need to explore new music and new artists , I sometimes don't listen to MJ for weeks then all of sudden I comeback to his records and play them, great music never dies , you will be back listening to him in near future .....Im sure this feeling you have towards MJ will be gone once the new album drops
REGARDING THE MUSICAL OUTPUT.....Some fans just need to shut up and stop groaning and moaning about the new album , complaining and yelling when the new album comes out like silly little children,its obvious how the man works and its a common fact that he takes an insane time to finish ONE song so how much time it takes to finish a whole new album, Mj at least records 100 songs for each album, he always works that way, its nothing new ....so its time for some fans to GROW UP. MICHAEL JACKSON
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bboy87 said: WaterInYourBath said: I agree. And for those of us who have studied Michael Jackson beyond just his musical output, that level of fandom still does not equate insanity. The fans who have "problems" (LOL) are the ones who don't know how to differentiate their fictional fantasies of Michael Jackson from the reality of Michael Jackson. There are also the literal idolaters who place him above all other human beings. I've seen fans like that on the internet, LOL, and it's very sad. You said it better than me "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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bboy87 said: purplecam said: And that's why I made it a point to say majority and not everyone. I know that there are fans like you and bboy87 that are about the music and not much more than that. You guys aren't a problem but you know the folks I'm talking about. Well, I'm a fan of the music and the man. Just like Prince and George Michael and to a lesser extent, Paul Weller and some artists. I like discussing the work AND their life because for me, it helps me better understand where they're coming from. I've always loved reading about them since I was real young (I spent a week reading and re-reading DMSR about 2 years ago) In some ways, real hardcore MJ fans are like the Prince fans in the M&M forum
Every artist has hardcore and fanatical fans. Check out a Beatles, Elvis, Bob Marley. One thing is for sure. You ain't gonna catch my black ass outside of a damn hotel singing Heal The World and passing out when I see his hand from the window People teat MJ differently so they treat his fans the same way, calling us crazy, stupid and menatlly unbalanced all the time, the level of hatred that MJ fans get on this website is really bewildering and unbearable..... they don't realize that there are crazy and fanatical fans for every artist, but they reat us differently and always calling us names because we are fans of MJ ..Nothing less ,Nothing more.....weird people. MICHAEL JACKSON
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seeingvoices12 said: I can understand what you are saying, sometimes people need some kind of change, I don't listen to Mj all the time , people need to explore new music and new artists , I sometimes don't listen to MJ for weeks then all of sudden I comeback to his records and play them, great music never dies , you will be back listening to him in near future
.....Im sure this feeling you have towards MJ will be gone once the new album drops
REGARDING THE MUSICAL OUTPUT.....Some fans just need to shut up and stop groaning and moaning about the new album , complaining and yelling when the new album comes out like silly little children,its obvious how the man works and its a common fact that he takes an insane time to finish ONE song so how much time it takes to finish a whole new album, Mj at least records 100 songs for each album, he always works that way, its nothing new ....so its time for some fans to GROW UP. I barely listen to him either though when I do it's all back I was crazy about him in the mid 90's too and became a bit of an asshole when he got quiet in the late 90's and I was busy with friends, schoolwork, being into janet and stuff, but then everytime they announced a new release date for invincible, I started getting excited and found myself drawn to him more than ever once again, it changes every few years though I will always be a fan. I just am tired of the price one has to pay just for being a fan cause something about him draws people to him and it's hard to let go of it. | |
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bboy87 said: purplecam said: And that's why I made it a point to say majority and not everyone. I know that there are fans like you and bboy87 that are about the music and not much more than that. You guys aren't a problem but you know the folks I'm talking about. Well, I'm a fan of the music and the man. Just like Prince and George Michael and to a lesser extent, Paul Weller and some artists. I like discussing the work AND their life because for me, it helps me better understand where they're coming from. I've always loved reading about them since I was real young (I spent a week reading and re-reading DMSR about 2 years ago)  I'm the exact same way when it comes to MJ and Prince....Even the part about DMSR, I couldn't put that book down for weeks a few years ago. I'd finish it, then go over it again. LOL. And when I was little, I basically destroyed my first copies of MJ's biographies from re-reading them so much. But yeah, it's always been fun for me to study their lives as well, in order to know how they grew up and developed as people and associate that with how they've grown as artists. 
bboy87 said: In some ways, real hardcore MJ fans are like the Prince fans in the M&M forum
Every artist has hardcore and fanatical fans. Check out a Beatles, Elvis, Bob Marley. One thing is for sure. You ain't gonna catch my black ass outside of a damn hotel singing Heal The World and passing out when I see his hand from the window Now U said THAT better than I could, ha ha ha.  Sure, it's mega-exciting to see them in person if possible, but I could never be fanatical like that, especially not over a wave, LOL."You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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bboy87 said: purplecam said: And that's why I made it a point to say majority and not everyone. I know that there are fans like you and bboy87 that are about the music and not much more than that. You guys aren't a problem but you know the folks I'm talking about. Well, I'm a fan of the music and the man. Just like Prince and George Michael and to a lesser extent, Paul Weller and some artists. I like discussing the work AND their life because for me, it helps me better understand where they're coming from. I've always loved reading about them since I was real young (I spent a week reading and re-reading DMSR about 2 years ago) In some ways, real hardcore MJ fans are like the Prince fans in the M&M forum
Every artist has hardcore and fanatical fans. Check out a Beatles, Elvis, Bob Marley. One thing is for sure. You ain't gonna catch my black ass outside of a damn hotel singing Heal The World and passing out when I see his hand from the window I loved reading biographies and personal excerpts myself. And right on at the last sentence. | |
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I found it fun reading books about artists I loved too, but kind of lost interest a few years ago and with all the hysteria that surrounds mj, I now stay far away and just stick to the music, cause I will not defend him anymore. | |
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you will always be a true fan, just because you don't get that magical feeling means nothing. I lost that magical feeling a while ago. maybe two years. but i know i still love MJ and he is the best music and entertainer.
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alisa, as much as we disagree often, I totally feel you on that and don't feel bad at all. I don't feel like I have to go to extremes to love him anymore, I'm worn out and just want to let it go and laugh now at anything negative that comes along | |
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Um, okay Alphastreet. This isn't the first time you claimed to be "done" with MJ for good , so I dunno but I really don't see the need for an annoucement . It's not that serious. Many of us have outgrown our favorite artists.
seeingvoices12 said: People teat MJ differently so they treat his fans the same way, calling us crazy, stupid and menatlly unbalanced all the time, the level of hatred that MJ fans get on this website is really bewildering and unbearable..... they don't realize that there are crazy and fanatical fans for every artist, but they reat us differently and always calling us names because we are fans of MJ ..Nothing less ,Nothing more.....weird people. Yup and some of the posters in Prince: Music & More could definitely give some MJ fans a run for their money lol, so I don't get that at all. Every artist has crazy fans. Maybe MJ has more than most artists but it's stupid to generalize and say we're all "whacko". "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ 
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seeingvoices12 said: bboy87 said: Well, I'm a fan of the music and the man. Just like Prince and George Michael and to a lesser extent, Paul Weller and some artists. I like discussing the work AND their life because for me, it helps me better understand where they're coming from. I've always loved reading about them since I was real young (I spent a week reading and re-reading DMSR about 2 years ago) In some ways, real hardcore MJ fans are like the Prince fans in the M&M forum
Every artist has hardcore and fanatical fans. Check out a Beatles, Elvis, Bob Marley. One thing is for sure. You ain't gonna catch my black ass outside of a damn hotel singing Heal The World and passing out when I see his hand from the window People teat MJ differently so they treat his fans the same way, calling us crazy, stupid and menatlly unbalanced all the time, the level of hatred that MJ fans get on this website is really bewildering and unbearable..... they don't realize that there are crazy and fanatical fans for every artist, but they reat us differently and always calling us names because we are fans of MJ ..Nothing less ,Nothing more.....weird people. Yep, that's right. And as bboy87 stated, just check out M&M here. LOL. Yeah Prince tops my musical entertainer list (right next to Mike,  ) and yes, I think he's extremely fine too. But some of the posts I read in threads in M&M display blatant lunacy/delirium, sometimes even more so than what I've read at some MJ forums. "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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Cinnamon234 said: Um, okay Alphastreet. This isn't the first time you claimed to be "done" with MJ for good , so I dunno but I really don't see the need for an annoucement . It's not that serious. Many of us have outgrown our favorite artists.
seeingvoices12 said: People teat MJ differently so they treat his fans the same way, calling us crazy, stupid and menatlly unbalanced all the time, the level of hatred that MJ fans get on this website is really bewildering and unbearable..... they don't realize that there are crazy and fanatical fans for every artist, but they reat us differently and always calling us names because we are fans of MJ ..Nothing less ,Nothing more.....weird people. Yup and some of the posters in Prince: Music & More could definitely give some MJ fans a run for their money lol, so I don't get that at all. Every artist has crazy fans. Maybe MJ has more than most artists but it's stupid to generalize and say we're all "whacko". Precisely... | |
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It wasn't an announcement, it was for support and gaining different views on how I feel. That's why these are discussion forums cinnamon. It's called communication my friend, we all need it. I didn't create this with the intention of bashing mj fans cause I know not all are extremely crazy. I have a lot respect for people like you, bboy, timmy etc. who are objective and would not start putting me down as a result of my differing opinions. | |
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I once had a big crush on Prince. I cannot say who's that someone in the earth that he's looking for. I know that I wasn't his past life lover. Some of you are familiar with what I'm saying with that thread. Those subjects are deep over there. [Edited 1/6/09 17:28pm] | |
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I seriously used to wonder if mj and I had a connection whether in the past life or now. It used to be my dream to write songs with him or go on tour doing something musical or collaborating somehow, and maybe a part of me wanted it so bad but knew I wasn't going to go that far, though if it ever happens that's great though I'm not desperate for it anymore. It was just a childish dream and being a fangirl during my teens and first half of 20's | |
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Cinnamon234 said: Um, okay Alphastreet. This isn't the first time you claimed to be "done" with MJ for good , so I dunno but I really don't see the need for an annoucement . It's not that serious. Many of us have outgrown our favorite artists.
seeingvoices12 said: People teat MJ differently so they treat his fans the same way, calling us crazy, stupid and menatlly unbalanced all the time, the level of hatred that MJ fans get on this website is really bewildering and unbearable..... they don't realize that there are crazy and fanatical fans for every artist, but they reat us differently and always calling us names because we are fans of MJ ..Nothing less ,Nothing more.....weird people. Yup and some of the posters in Prince: Music & More could definitely give some MJ fans a run for their money lol, so I don't get that at all. Every artist has crazy fans. Maybe MJ has more than most artists but it's stupid to generalize and say we're all "whacko". yup.... I was a member on one of the biggest MJ forums and through my observation I noticed that prince has so much respect from Mj fans , you don't find Mj fans continually posting crap on prince threads and reuining them like prince fans do here to MJ threads, on every single freaking Mj thread here I always find a stupid , silly comment about his private life whether molesting children ,baby dangling or his looks..etc...and its really getting old..... Prince fans who always claim that they are careless and don't give a shit about the looks and appreciate the good art should be more respectful toward MJ because if they don't they sound so hypocrital and contradicting themselves .....I was a member on MJNO and i remember an amazing huge prince thread full of news, videos ,lyrics , pictures and everything , although its very big thread you find very few negative comments about him but i find quite the opposite here ....if prince fans always say that mj fans are crazy teenage fans who knows nothing about other artists then why I see much more respect for prince from MJ fans.....Someone explain? by the way...I still remember you Cinnamon234 from MJNO, you were one of the nicest people there MICHAEL JACKSON
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Really? I've seen many mj fans be homophobic toward prince and laughing at how feminine he is. There is nothing wrong with that about him, but the fact mj is an easier target for insults like that and they're using those to put Prince down make some of them hypocrites. | |
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alphastreet said: Really? I've seen many mj fans be homophobic toward prince and laughing at how feminine he is. There is nothing wrong with that about him, but the fact mj is an easier target for insults like that and they're using those to put Prince down make some of them hypocrites.
I can understand what you are saying , Im not denying that there are Mj fans who insult Prince but its really NoTHING comparing to what I see here or any other prince forums, the harted I see on every single Mj thread here is bewildering, and as i have said its prince fans who always say that we don't care about the looks but the great art, but you find them the first ones calling MJ ugly and other names..This is hyporcital.MICHAEL JACKSON
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alphastreet said: Really? I've seen many mj fans be homophobic toward prince and laughing at how feminine he is. There is nothing wrong with that about him, but the fact mj is an easier target for insults like that and they're using those to put Prince down make some of them hypocrites.
That's what kills me, lol. People acting cold to Prince but MJ is basically androgynous his damn self. | |
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Timmy84 said: alphastreet said: Really? I've seen many mj fans be homophobic toward prince and laughing at how feminine he is. There is nothing wrong with that about him, but the fact mj is an easier target for insults like that and they're using those to put Prince down make some of them hypocrites.
That's what kills me, lol. People acting cold to Prince but MJ is basically androgynous his damn self. LOL..... MICHAEL JACKSON
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heheheh I want to see mj and prince catfight and see who wins | |
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alphastreet said: heheheh I want to see mj and prince catfight and see who wins
Michael Jackson is not the fighting type, but one artist envisioned their fist combat to probably look like this: 
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