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PrintableInteresting. I went through a bit of the same thing with Prince recently. I just wasn't feeling any of his music the same way. But I'm about to turn 40 in a couple months, and my interest in music is even stronger than it was when I was 25. You just have to keep searching the bins, and you have to keep yourself open to new styles and new artists. And don't expect to listen to everything you liked when you were 18 and under for the rest of your life...
alphastreet said: I had no feeling when I listened to him earlier today after months and months and didn't get excited at all when people brought him up the way I normally did though I was able to stay calm while talking about him.
Maybe what they say about people losing interest in music after 25 is true....I still respect his work and what he did for music, but now I don't feel emotionally attached anymore and realized that i was dealing with a lot of emotional pain I've been repressing for years and it became an addictive form of escapism. Donna Green could learn from me, it's not too late.... [Edited 1/5/09 23:31pm] | |
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eaglebear4839 said: Interesting. I went through a bit of the same thing with Prince recently. I just wasn't feeling any of his music the same way. But I'm about to turn 40 in a couple months, and my interest in music is even stronger than it was when I was 25. You just have to keep searching the bins, and you have to keep yourself open to new styles and new artists. And don't expect to listen to everything you liked when you were 18 and under for the rest of your life...
alphastreet said: I had no feeling when I listened to him earlier today after months and months and didn't get excited at all when people brought him up the way I normally did though I was able to stay calm while talking about him.
Maybe what they say about people losing interest in music after 25 is true....I still respect his work and what he did for music, but now I don't feel emotionally attached anymore and realized that i was dealing with a lot of emotional pain I've been repressing for years and it became an addictive form of escapism. Donna Green could learn from me, it's not too late.... [Edited 1/5/09 23:31pm] True. I had a similar experience with Prince's music too. Back in 2005/2007 I was listening to his music all of the time, but now although I still love his music, I don't listen to it as much as I did. I was also really into Japanese pop too I'm probably gonna feel the same about George Michael in a couple of months  "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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eaglebear4839 said: Interesting. I went through a bit of the same thing with Prince recently. I just wasn't feeling any of his music the same way. But I'm about to turn 40 in a couple months, and my interest in music is even stronger than it was when I was 25. You just have to keep searching the bins, and you have to keep yourself open to new styles and new artists. And don't expect to listen to everything you liked when you were 18 and under for the rest of your life...
alphastreet said: I had no feeling when I listened to him earlier today after months and months and didn't get excited at all when people brought him up the way I normally did though I was able to stay calm while talking about him.
Maybe what they say about people losing interest in music after 25 is true....I still respect his work and what he did for music, but now I don't feel emotionally attached anymore and realized that i was dealing with a lot of emotional pain I've been repressing for years and it became an addictive form of escapism. Donna Green could learn from me, it's not too late.... [Edited 1/5/09 23:31pm] Is there really new style out there?? I found the music today depressing, no depth. I for one, tend to go backwards when it comes to music as I find music from the past (Swing, bebop and onwards) far more interesting than any singers style, genre, call it whatever you like, our time has to offer. My advice would be to search backwards and have fun rather than waste your time and wait for good album, style, genre that may never come. Just so you understand my logic, i actually abbhor Hip Hop and R'n'B, maybe that's just me | |
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kanamit said: eaglebear4839 said: Interesting. I went through a bit of the same thing with Prince recently. I just wasn't feeling any of his music the same way. But I'm about to turn 40 in a couple months, and my interest in music is even stronger than it was when I was 25. You just have to keep searching the bins, and you have to keep yourself open to new styles and new artists. And don't expect to listen to everything you liked when you were 18 and under for the rest of your life...
Is there really new style out there?? I found the music today depressing, no depth. I for one, tend to go backwards when it comes to music as I find music from the past (Swing, bebop and onwards) far more interesting than any singers style, genre, call it whatever you like, our time has to offer. My advice would be to search backwards and have fun rather than waste your time and wait for good album, style, genre that may never come. Just so you understand my logic, i actually abbhor Hip Hop and R'n'B, maybe that's just me I'm normally old school anyways so it don't matter to me. :dunno: | |
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bboy87 said: abierman said:  Oh, are some of ya'll trying to take my "King of Gifs" crown?!!
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Sounds like alphastreet is still in love. With a man who mistreats her. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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You've broken up with him so you started a thread about him. 
I think all the hardcore MJ fans have emotional problems. That's why they have to blind themselves to the unpleasant truths about him. Because he is such an important escape mechanism for them they can't afford to have it ruined. [Edited 1/6/09 7:59am] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: You've broken up with him so you started a thread about him.
I think all the hardcore MJ fans have emotional problems. That's why they have to blind themselves to the unpleasant truths about him. Because he is such an important escape mechanism for them they can't afford to have it ruined. [Edited 1/6/09 7:59am] I couldn't believe all the suicide talk and crying I heard when the first allegations broke. I wonder if he was convicted how many of his fans would fling themselves off the nearest bridge. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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alphastreet said: I had no feeling when I listened to him earlier today after months and months and didn't get excited at all when people brought him up the way I normally did though I was able to stay calm while talking about him.
Maybe what they say about people losing interest in music after 25 is true....I still respect his work and what he did for music, but now I don't feel emotionally attached anymore and realized that i was dealing with a lot of emotional pain I've been repressing for years and it became an addictive form of escapism. Donna Green could learn from me, it's not too late.... [Edited 1/5/09 23:31pm] Maybe the problem is more the type of music you're listening to. You've probably grown as a person in the last 5 years yet the artists you listen to are probably still the same. That's bound to make you disillusioned. You're not the same person you once were. You need to find music that reflects who you are now, not what you were then. If I was still only listening to the same people I listened to as a teenager I'd probably go crazy. *shudders* “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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JackieBlue said: midnightmover said: You've broken up with him so you started a thread about him.
I think all the hardcore MJ fans have emotional problems. That's why they have to blind themselves to the unpleasant truths about him. Because he is such an important escape mechanism for them they can't afford to have it ruined. [Edited 1/6/09 7:59am] I couldn't believe all the suicide talk and crying I heard when the first allegations broke. I wonder if he was convicted how many of his fans would fling themselves off the nearest bridge. I remember all of that. I love a bunch of artists but I would NEVER do that for any of them. That's some sick and twisted shit right there but sadly, it's to be expected with the majority of MJ fans. Not trying to start shit but that's a LOT of what I've seen over the years. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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purplecam said: JackieBlue said: I couldn't believe all the suicide talk and crying I heard when the first allegations broke. I wonder if he was convicted how many of his fans would fling themselves off the nearest bridge. I remember all of that. I love a bunch of artists but I would NEVER do that for any of them. That's some sick and twisted shit right there but sadly, it's to be expected with the majority of MJ fans. Not trying to start shit but that's a LOT of what I've seen over the years. I'm not surprised. I'm in the minority of those that really don't put all that interest into MJ like that. I don't have a lot of MJ memorabilia as it is anyways. Only thing I got from any artist I like is THE ALBUMS, that's about fuckin' it. Everything else for me is off the limits. | |
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Alphastreet, my advice: In the future, try not to discuss these thoughts on an open forum as this. Look at the kind of responses you're getting. You don't need this. | |
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why must jacko do this to people? They love him so much and then what goes up eventually goes down and we are so bitter and mean but still have a thing for him without realizing
Why does he do what to people? Not bother to dedicate all his life to others? I just don´t understand what you´re blaming MJ for. I used to go to his message boards everyday, I do once in few months when something happens to find out more about it, but spending time there talking about him is something I haven´t done for couple of years. (i talk most about him over here ) I used to be a typical teenage MJ fan who collects things (not dolls, clothes and that type of stuff though, just the pictures, interviews, books and music), but I have gotten over it. I don´t watch his videos as I used to. I don´t listen to his music as often as I used to, but why get excited about it or feel bitter? I am in a different place in my life as well as MJ is. IF he comes back, GREAT, if not, I´ll miss him, but I won´t have any negative feelings towards him because of that. He doesn´t owe the public anything and if people feel bitter about him not performing, it´s their business, not MJ´s.
[Edited 1/6/09 10:38am] [Edited 1/6/09 10:44am] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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angel345 said: Alphastreet, my advice: In the future, try not to discuss these thoughts on an open forum as this. Look at the kind of responses you're getting. You don't need this.
Well, there's nothing she can do to change the time if she could. This is why you don't obsess over anybody pass your 25th birthday.  | |
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alphastreet said: I like Prince and the Beatles better now [Edited 1/6/09 0:59am] Good.  There, there..."I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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angel I'm not offended at all by the responses. There is a reason I've posted here and not an mj board, I love all of you! Whether you're nice, whether you're anal, whether you're honest, and you all have a great sense of humor!
And lol @ at the stuff about an abusive boyfriend and emotional issues, that is EXACTLY what it feels like. I've concluded it was an addiction and I was emotionally dependent. I've never been in a long term relationship or been addicted to drinking or drugs, this was it instead. I've psychoanalyzed to death why I felt this way. When the allegations broke, I wasn't suicidal at all but I was very very angry, sad and freaking out, and if it wasn't for prayer and doing things to make myself happy and seperating myself from the tv, I would have gone crazy. It helped me slowly learn to back off without being attached though it was also painful. I had a lot of pain from when I was younger that shaped me as an adult and am reading self help books to understand why I act the way I do, not just over this, but with people and how I interact, and how I act, and just get to know myself again, minus being a fan that is. I used to feel mj and I were so alike, maybe we're just shy and pale, but everyone has struggled when they were younger and I don't want to fall victim to that and be sad forever, it's so important for me to stay happy and surround myself with positive energy. And I've realized that though I always liked mj, in grade 7 and 8 it just exploded and I realized that every time I had a social problem or anything I would turn to his music and use that as a distraction that I became an expert at repressing my emotions and turning to his music, videos etc. and the obsession was all an effort to mask my emotions. I love music so he inspired me as an artist too GREATLY, but now I'm dealing with a difficult coworker who reminds me of crap I dealt with in those days and I'm revisiting my past to clean up all the mess I've made with letting my like for an artist get so far. I've never been in a long term relationship ever, the longest I've dated someone was for 4 months, but maybe I was afraid. I don't want to get into issues I had over the years but realize that I overdid it. All this time I laughed at fans too though I could relate to some of them. I could relate to dancing around to the music and referencing everything mj-related, but I couldn't relate to marching with signs, even back then, I would rather do that for world issues. I always laughed at fanatical fans, but at the same time I was objective yet attached. By the way I've always liked different types of music, many old school artists just like timmy, except he knows way more than me LOL Although I like other music, I can never get obsessed ever again like I did with mj even if I wanted to. I love prince but I have no desire at all to buy everything he does though I respect him. I only have his 70's and some of his 80's albums, the hits albums and musicology & 3121 and I don't feel empty. I guess after 25 things d o change though. Though I still do like mainstream I feel like it's too repetitive and there is something better out there to listen to. When I was in my late teens, early 20's I was listening to classical like crazy, I want to get into jazz cause people say I should do jazz instead of r&b, but most of it bores me, I need to find someone that inspires me to do my best, right now mj does that but I want something more. [Edited 1/6/09 11:44am] [Edited 1/6/09 11:45am] [Edited 1/6/09 11:48am] [Edited 1/6/09 11:49am] | |
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I can understand your viewpoint....
I had little interest in any celebrities as a child, I knew OF Michael Jackson, but it wasn't concrete. I delved into fantasy for years, but it wasn't celebrity related. When you have been doing something for so long, it becomes a part of you. Whether you are clipping out MJ interviews, playing his music, dancing to his vids, or going on online boards devoted to him. I was obsessed for about the first six months or so, but after that it calmed... MJ is the only celebrity that I have ever been that interested in, and its stayed that way. I though, am still a lot more unattached than most fans.... I'm aware that I have an emotional attachment to him, and I'm okay with it. If he doesn't produce more music, I'm fine....if he does, I'll be there to pick up my copy. Will I be concerned if he shows up in pics looking bedraggled and toe up? Yes...for a bit, a bit happy if he looks fine, yes, but it doesn't ruin/make my day. The force though is powerful, and we shouldn't down ourselves for being sucked into its orbit... 
When we use things, people, or objects as a way to avoid reality, and stay in fantasy, it can be extremely painful to come into consciousness again. The problem isn't the fantasy, or the celebrity figure, but not staying conscience, and aware of one's self, delving into fantastical notions, and avoiding dealing with issues, only causes more pain later... The time spent on something like this, fandom, should be viewed purely as entertainment, and not a reason to keep living... Whether people recognize it or not, some people do get so caught up with fandom, they don't do the things they need to, and end up unhappy because of how much time was wasted...their time..their life..their existance... Fandom, especially MJ fandom though, can be like a bug, but the more time you spent with "you" and the less time you spend with "MJ", the less you'll likely notice the sparkly glove of the person on the train next to you, or the thump of Billie Jean out of someone's Ipod... If I had children though, I would not allow them to be "fans" of anyone from extremely young ages. I worry about people who have formed no identity outside of a celebrity, athletic, or political figure. I wasn't allowed posters, etc, any of that, and wasn't really drawn toward that in the first place. I do believe that the amount of celebrity interest and worship in young children is in some ways dangerous.... [Edited 1/6/09 12:00pm] | |
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sunsetdriver1999 said: I can understand your viewpoint....
I had little interest in any celebrities as a child, I knew OF Michael Jackson, but it wasn't concrete. I delved into fantasy for years, but it wasn't celebrity related. When you have been doing something for so long, it becomes a part of you. Whether you are clipping out MJ interviews, playing his music, dancing to his vids, or going on online boards devoted to him. I was obsessed for about the first six months or so, but after that it calmed... MJ is the only celebrity that I have ever been that interested in, and its stayed that way. I though, am still a lot more unattached than most fans.... When we us things, people, or events as a way to avoid reality, and stay in fantasy, it can be extremely painful to come into consciousness again. The problem isn't the fantasy, or the celebrity figure, but not staying conscience, and aware of one's self, delving into fantastical notions, and avoiding dealing with issues, only causes more pain later.... Fandom, especially MJ fandom though, can be like a bug, but the more time you spent with "you" and the less time you spend with "MJ", the less you'll notice the sparkly glove of the person on the train next to you, or the thump of Billie Jean out of someone's Ipod.. [Edited 1/6/09 11:52am] thing is I've always been compulsive about my interests. I loved cartoons with plots about light and darkness and fantasy eg. rainbow brite, peter pan etc. and when I was into reading a certain book series as a kid I went out of my way to get every single book. Then when I reached 12/13, I just went crazy for mj cause though I liked him since I was 2, he was always just there but once I discovered more work and Janet, I just went crazy. It was a wild ride and I love music on the side so they were like muses in a way. I loooved madonna since I was 2 and wanted to be her when I was really young but I never got emotionally attached to her, same with Prince, I liked him better than mj for years until I discovered more mj. But now I'm realizing I took it too far though I knew for years it was too far and wanted to snap out of it but couldn't, the cycle is never ending, but I think I've really made progress this time. All I need is a 12 step program lol I can still be a fan but just not overdo it, in terms of how i react. [Edited 1/6/09 11:59am] | |
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midnightmover said: You've broken up with him so you started a thread about him.
That was my first thought as well. I mean, another MJ thread in the Music forum?  | |
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after I posted it and got replies with no comments, I realized that I forgot about the spamming last week, that was so annoying! | |
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alphastreet said: sunsetdriver1999 said: I can understand your viewpoint....
I had little interest in any celebrities as a child, I knew OF Michael Jackson, but it wasn't concrete. I delved into fantasy for years, but it wasn't celebrity related. When you have been doing something for so long, it becomes a part of you. Whether you are clipping out MJ interviews, playing his music, dancing to his vids, or going on online boards devoted to him. I was obsessed for about the first six months or so, but after that it calmed... MJ is the only celebrity that I have ever been that interested in, and its stayed that way. I though, am still a lot more unattached than most fans.... When we us things, people, or events as a way to avoid reality, and stay in fantasy, it can be extremely painful to come into consciousness again. The problem isn't the fantasy, or the celebrity figure, but not staying conscience, and aware of one's self, delving into fantastical notions, and avoiding dealing with issues, only causes more pain later.... Fandom, especially MJ fandom though, can be like a bug, but the more time you spent with "you" and the less time you spend with "MJ", the less you'll notice the sparkly glove of the person on the train next to you, or the thump of Billie Jean out of someone's Ipod.. [Edited 1/6/09 11:52am] thing is I've always been compulsive about my interests. I loved cartoons with plots about light and darkness and fantasy eg. rainbow brite, peter pan etc. and when I was into reading a certain book series as a kid I went out of my way to get every single book. Then when I reached 12/13, I just went crazy for mj cause though I liked him since I was 2, he was always just there but once I discovered more work and Janet, I just went crazy. It was a wild ride and I love music on the side so they were like muses in a way. I loooved madonna since I was 2 and wanted to be her when I was really young but I never got emotionally attached to her, same with Prince, I liked him better than mj for years until I discovered more mj. But now I'm realizing I took it too far though I knew for years it was too far and wanted to snap out of it but couldn't, the cycle is never ending, but I think I've really made progress this time. All I need is a 12 step program lol I can still be a fan but just not overdo it, in terms of how i react. [Edited 1/6/09 11:59am] I understand what your saying about compulsiveness...I have many 'interests', and as of now, MJ is included... I keep myself healthy by seeing my "research" as a hobby, etc, and I be sure to switch it up... I remind myself that none of this 'research' puts any money into my account. If you can find an 'interest', that benefits you or others directly, then that's great. All of your time and energy going toward nothingness can be exceedingly depressing.. Perhaps you can expand to more interests...and find more things that enthrall you...then MJ will become just ONE of those things...perhaps this can be a step toward healthiness... There are tons of museums, books, documentaries, exhibits, and shows to go see and experience... You can go for as long as you want in your current "interest", stop/change it, move on for a while, etc.... That way, you can control your obsessive tendencies, and enjoy them, without feeling slave to them... [Edited 1/6/09 12:22pm] | |
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yeah mj has become one of those in the list for awhile now but I still snap back sometimes. I like going to musicals, plays etc. I love comedy, I love things with satire and humor and finding new places to go and getting to know people to overcome my shyness. But then I find things that remind me of him and have to tell myself to shut up instead of saying WOW HE'S A LEGEND HE'S EVERYWHERE and look for it.
And yes I would definitely see him on tour or if there was a musical with his music the way they had mamma mia still cause being into his music will always be a part of me even if I don't focus on it anymore like before. Even so what do you think of me being at the right place and right time to catch mj references? Why was that happening? I mean it's not like he's mainstream with new material right now the way Disney artists are, I guess it's great he's still recognized even if it's for his older stuff, but I have to not take it so seriously [Edited 1/6/09 12:20pm] [Edited 1/6/09 12:24pm] | |
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Even so what do you think of me being at the right place and right time to catch mj references? Why was that happening? I mean it's not like he's mainstream with new material right now the way Disney artists are, I guess it's great he's still recognized even if it's for his older stuff, but I have to not take it so seriously
I just think that you are a fan, and that a new generation is "discovering" Michael...so there are more mentions of him in public..his youtube vids are bouncin...etc.. Everyone, doesn't notice that someone's ringtone just played the chorus of Earth Song, or think about Michael when seeing sparkly socks, rhinestones, or monkeys.... We get into patterns, and I believe that what we focus on, we see.... | |
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^ but I think people who were around or have relatives who told them about mj totally get it. Someone once said that those born in 1983 and before were old enough to remember michaelmania and though I was very young at the height of it, I do remember some of it, even if it was from the mid 80's and onwards.
I know of a teacher who played the earth song video during science class for the students, my cousin was telling me, and most people liked it but laughed whenever they showed his face lol so I think the new generation is slowly catching on though not all the way. I think that's why Thriller 25 was perfect even if so repetitive, it did what it was supposed to and even if people like him for past glory despite me knowing him for more than just Thriller, I would rather have that than no credit at all cause of what's happened. [Edited 1/6/09 12:34pm] | |
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Timmy84 said: purplecam said: I remember all of that. I love a bunch of artists but I would NEVER do that for any of them. That's some sick and twisted shit right there but sadly, it's to be expected with the majority of MJ fans. Not trying to start shit but that's a LOT of what I've seen over the years. I'm not surprised. I'm in the minority of those that really don't put all that interest into MJ like that. I don't have a lot of MJ memorabilia as it is anyways. Only thing I got from any artist I like is THE ALBUMS, that's about fuckin' it. Everything else for me is off the limits. And that's why I made it a point to say majority and not everyone. I know that there are fans like you and bboy87 that are about the music and not much more than that. You guys aren't a problem but you know the folks I'm talking about. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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bboy87 said: 
"You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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purplecam said: Timmy84 said: I'm not surprised. I'm in the minority of those that really don't put all that interest into MJ like that. I don't have a lot of MJ memorabilia as it is anyways. Only thing I got from any artist I like is THE ALBUMS, that's about fuckin' it. Everything else for me is off the limits. And that's why I made it a point to say majority and not everyone. I know that there are fans like you and bboy87 that are about the music and not much more than that. You guys aren't a problem but you know the folks I'm talking about. I know, lol. | |
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Get a fucking life    I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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alphastreet said: I had no feeling when I listened to him earlier today after months and months and didn't get excited at all when people brought him up the way I normally did though I was able to stay calm while talking about him.
[Edited 1/5/09 23:31pm] Wow, I've never experienced that. I've gone a few months without listening to his music, but when I get back around to him, my feeling is "Yay! Michael Jackson! Gee, it's been awhile." Then I go listen to something like "Off The Wall" or "Dangerous," or the audio interview he did with Diane Collins, and go crazy all over again. (His voice does it to me.  LOL. Always has.  )
Also, if he pops up randomly on TV, I still become happy to see him and start smiling (especially if I'm with people I know well and they all start looking and saying, "There's your man!" ). However, one aspect I do find myself kind-of avoiding now though is watching old footage. Along with having all J5 and MJ LPs, tapes, and CDs, I'm also the kind of fan that has darn-near everything regarding video footage. I used to be a serious MJ video "rewinder," especially of anything "Bad" related, and shows/concerts between 1976-1981 (my favorite years). But now, I guess after watching them over-and-over-again growing up (LOL), I tend to not play my J5/MJ VHSs and DVDs much anymore. Even after a long period, I don't have that same over-excitement over them like I did when I was little. Plus now its kind of depressing, looking at where he is today.... 
I'll never "break up" from MJ though. Never.  "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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purplecam said: And that's why I made it a point to say majority and not everyone. I know that there are fans like you and bboy87 that are about the music and not much more than that. You guys aren't a problem but you know the folks I'm talking about. I think you're wrong about it being the majority, though. It's just that the majority of fans like Timmy, bboy87 and others who just enjoy the music are usually quiet when there's no new music out. The result is that it seems like all MJ fans are crazy, but in fact the crazy ones are in the minority - it's just that you don't see the majority, you know? That's why people are always saying MJ has only a couple of hundred fans left, all of whom are insane, but then when something new comes out, it still mysteriosly does unexpectedly well in terms of sales (see Invincible, Thriller 25, etc). | |
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