What happened to all the black bands?

How moronic can you be with such a remark?

You want 'black bands' to fill your life with joy, or you just open your mind and enjoy all the great white, black and yellow music around you.

Stupid racism.

Yeah, but for something to be full of rhythm, funky, and ass shakable, nine times out of ten, it takes black artists to achieve that unless it is someone that is an extremely cool "white black person" like Teena Marie. Just look at what happened to house music when black artists abandoned it. When the European artists took over it, all funkiness and ass shakability left the genre and it became dull and repetitive. It then changed from house music to either acid, trance, or whatever the hell it's being called these days. Also, just look at what happened to rap music when white kids started buying it. It went from being fast and funky to slow and dull.

Well, Vainandy, maybe you should stop blindstarring yourself at 'black' music then;


Face it, the funk Rick James was delivering was more and more watered down by his cocaine addiction and his abilities to think clear.

And when it comes to your 'prejudice' about black musicians being the most funky, i disagree with you.

I mean, i am seeing 'black musicians' like Rhianna and Beyonce struggling.

While 'white artists' like Jamie Lidell and Kraak and Smaak take care of the heritage of funk.

So, please dont bother me with your dumb racism.

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Yeah, but for something to be full of rhythm, funky, and ass shakable, nine times out of ten, it takes black artists to achieve that unless it is someone that is an extremely cool "white black person" like Teena Marie

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That simply is racism. And at the same time it shows how backwarded, and nonsensical your views are.

I've never been a vegetarian. Music without black folks is like food without meat. You can survive on vegetables alone but all the pleasure will be taken out of eating.




If the funk he was delivering became watered down, it was for trying expand himself to a broader audience. That's the downfall of all funk artists. He never completely sold out like so many others do but he did become weaker in the late 1980s just like all the R&B acts did. With Rick though, I don't think it was so much trying to crossover as it was trying to match Prince's success (which actually weakened Prince's music). And as for the drugs, there was a brief time when he was off of drugs (or so he said). This is when his music first started going downhill beginning with the "Glow" album.



And those two are who you consider funky? If you think so, then you need to put down the Lawrence Welk records and go find yourself some real funk. And who do those two go after when they make music....white audiences as well as black audiences. Their labels control them and even if they had full control over what they wanted to make, they are youngsters who have grown up in an era in which most of their entire lifetime, black artists have made records for the purpose of crossing over. It wasn't like that in the early 1980s. Artists like Con Funk Shun, The Barkays, Lakeside, One Way, The Dazz Band, Midnight Star, etc. made records to be funky and could give less than a damn about crossing over. This was in the days of real funk with none of this watered down crossover mess and no shit hop influence whatsoever, and shit hop by the way, is crossover and has been since the early 1990s. And before you say "well, where are they now", who cares. Any artist with any sense wouldn't want to be a part of today's scene.




Never heard of 'em. But I've always been one for moving on and funk changing and evolving. I wasn't one of those "cultured" white kids in the early 1980s that was listening to acts that were outdated at the time such as James Brown or Sly and The Family Stone so I could be all snobbish and call myself "exploring funk's "heritage", meanwhile not knowing anything about the current funk acts of the day like Rick James, The Barkays, Zapp or Lakeside who had moved on to something new. I was living funk, not exploring it.



How am I racist? I'm white. As for being racist against my own race though, I've been there, done that, changed, and moved on.
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That's not racist, that's just simply stating a fact. A white artist like Teena Marie that grew up on black music, preferred black music, dated black men, prefers to be around black people, and surrounds herself in a black environment is definately going to make better funk than a white artist like Hall and Oates or Queen who surround themselves in a white environment, have a love of some black music but mainly make pop music, and basically stumble across an R&B hit every now and then. The same goes with DJs. The baddest DJs I've ever heard in my life are the ones that are "white black" DJs. They have a strong love for black music even moreso than an actual black person. It's kinda like a drag queen being much more feminine than a real woman.

If you wanna talk about what's racist, it's the fact that you always want to belittle the accomplishments of black artists that don't crossover or have no desire to crossover. That's like saying that a black person is nothing without the approval of white people. I guarantee you, if Prince had never crossed over, you wouldn't even know who he was or like what he was doing.
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Riverpoet31 said:

No....what happened to them? There are NONE LEFT. We know there are plenty of other beautiful races doing funk music too, but it has been abandoned by the race who started it. Im saying what happened to them? God it's like the moment there's a question about a piece of the african american background / play the race card? NO. And vain is white btw.


Matter of fact there was a thread about that topic and I missed it a while ago.

People like him do not want to give any credit to black people for their accomplishments in music or anything else for that matter. And when a black person does accomplish something, they always have the excuse that the black person could never have done it without the help of white people. I think that's why so many white people absolutely hated funk in the early 1980s. Here was a genre of music that was made by black artists and black audiences were the main buyers of the music. I can't tell you how many times growing up, when I heard the white kids in school call the music of the black groups that never crossed over "jungle music". However, you never heard them say something like that about Michael Jackson or Lionel Richie. A crossover black artist to them "wasn't like the rest of black people", they were "one of the good ones".
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vainandy said:

I was born in 82 so I don't have the knowledge to know how other people viewed funk music in that time, but I know the only people that really embrace deep soul and funk music today are mainly older African Americans and producers...its even starting to become a new found trend for young white audiences which I think is fantastic.

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I'm sorry dog, but could you please shut the hell up about shit hop, what do you know about hiphoip. Yes Commercial Hiphop sucks balls nuts, but there is a lot of underground hiphop that does sound good and funky. Like stuff from the Stones Throw Records, id listen to. Alot of producers from that record, including the late J Dilla made a lot of funky shit. As for the funk, you should remember that funk is a type of music that requires energy, Rick James just survived a heart attack, thinking about dying again, of course he's going to go slow tempo.
As far as other funk artists, yeah they need to come back with it, but where are their REAL fans for support. What bothers me the most is when old rock groups can sell out any theatre they please, but when it comes to funk groups, they dont seem to get any airplay, no sold out concerts, absolutely nothing. Who should we blame for this? I dont know , cause I dont live in America, I just read an hear. But, I bet I could blame almost everyone, the R&B community, the hiphop community, as well as the rock community. Because technically, these funk artists are rock artists as well. But thats another conversation in of itself.
As far as hiphop goes, the real shit is going to stay at the bottom, not only because of shit hiphoppers continuously making music, but because alot of people buy the music. It's the easiest thing to sell. I love hiphop still though, the real stuff at least, and me dissing a whole genre cause of the current 'popular' landscape, doesnt do anyone good.
And yes, alot of new funk acts, are not going to get any piece of the cake either in popular terms. but hell, there is myspace, who cares. The music industry is suffering badly, apparently. I like myspace, and I like buying albums off the internet by unknkown artists, and that will never stop. By the way , check out the SOul of John Black on Myspace

paisleypark4 said:

Paisley your mind is diluted, so because you dont see black bands playiing funk anymore,suddenly no bands are playing funk at all. You sound like all the other stupid people who like to place black people in a box, hence you are racist even though you say you're not. Dont even come up with the excuse of 'I like funk music, how can I be racist?', plenty of people like hiphop , but they dare not step foot into a ghetto and socialize. lol. There are plenty of funk bands, just these days you have to find them on myspace or the internet or your not getting anything and no BET isnt going to give it to you for free anymore either , so get over yourself

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dog your a flippin racist, just remember, that 'a white black' person. what the hell is that. your right about growing up in a certain environment, but it has nothing to do with being black or white, it has everything to do with the environment, if you live where funk is played and invented, your going to be funky, if you live around where hiphop is being played and created, your going to be hiphopish, doesnt matter if its a white or blakc commmunity, thats why hiphop has spread to other countries quickly, but more than half of them have never made contact with a black person. ANd why is this, because they understand the music. Your views on what is black or white music is skewed, what is really black music is that rock you keep playing. Every music is black music, at least in America, since all music derived from the black musical experience. Once again thats another conversation in itself.

Does anyone know what's going on the Rick James biopic that was mentioned a few years ago?