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Printabletotaldiva said: angel345 said: You can thank Reverend Ike for starting this mess. Unfortunately he helped open doors for the Prosperity Gospel Movement. You are so correct. Now it is out of control. I remember attending Rev. Hezakaih Walker (HOW HE DOIN??) church in New York. It seemed that if you weren't head to toe in Gucci and Prada, you were out of place. This is not the church that my great grandmother (the State Mother) or my grandmother (State Missionary) taught me about. I know this is not a religious forum, but hold on to what your ancestors taught you and the Word because many people went in their graves deceived by these hucksters and manipulators. Also a lot of these gospel singers are not as sincere as you think. They're in it for the big bucks. The age of apostasy. | |
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Timmy84 said: angel345 said: Or a Doobie Brothers sample on his latest album. You mean a Kenny Loggins and Michael McDonald song ("This Is It"). Thank you. I was close. | |
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totaldiva said: I love this song. I remember the scandal in the church (pre Kirk Franklin) about songs like "You Brought Thr Sunshine" and "Fall Down" by Tramaine Hawkins being too secular (Penticostal Church, what did you expect). I find it so ironic that the church had complaints about crossover gospel songs in the past, yet now we see gospel superstars and mega pastors traveling on private jets. How times have changed.
People give Kirk too much credit for the secular sound of today. Gospel artists have been pushing the envelope for a long time, just like secular artists have always flirted with the sacred. I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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Adisa said: totaldiva said: I love this song. I remember the scandal in the church (pre Kirk Franklin) about songs like "You Brought Thr Sunshine" and "Fall Down" by Tramaine Hawkins being too secular (Penticostal Church, what did you expect). I find it so ironic that the church had complaints about crossover gospel songs in the past, yet now we see gospel superstars and mega pastors traveling on private jets. How times have changed.
People give Kirk too much credit for the secular sound of today. Gospel artists have been pushing the envelope for a long time, just like secular artists have always flirted with the sacred. One of the reasons why he gets credit is due to the fact that HE did resserect that sound. After the the Clark Sisters and Tramaine came out, that sound died out for a minute. It wasn't until records like "Stomp" was released that you saw a resurgence in that sound. "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" |
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here's a photo of stevie & twinkie clark
aside from her mother, twinkie credits stevie wonder as her biggest musical inspiration. she says she used to buy & sneak his records into the house. | |
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LoveSong69 said: here's a photo of stevie & twinkie clark
aside from her mother, twinkie credits stevie wonder as her biggest musical inspiration. she says she used to buy & sneak his records into the house. Thanks.  Yeah I heard that too. | |
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Damn, I haven't heard that song since 1982. Here's another one I'll be looking for in my next trip to the record store. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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shorttrini said: Adisa said:
People give Kirk too much credit for the secular sound of today. Gospel artists have been pushing the envelope for a long time, just like secular artists have always flirted with the sacred. One of the reasons why he gets credit is due to the fact that HE did resserect that sound. After the the Clark Sisters and Tramaine came out, that sound died out for a minute. It wasn't until records like "Stomp" was released that you saw a resurgence in that sound. The Winans had Teddy Riley and R. Kelly producing them, and Sounds Of Blackness "Optimistic" was a club banger in 1991. This was all before Kirk's debut in 1993. So I'm not really sure what specific sound you're referring to. Kirk did create his own distict sound in gospel music, no denying that. It's often duplicated. But my point is that people have been blending the sacred and the secular long before Kirk even though he takes the heat for it, so to speak. Honestly, the only reason why people do that is because he was the first gospel artist to go have albums that go platinum and multi-platinum.  This was what really sparked the hatin', not the blending of sounds.I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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Adisa said: shorttrini said: One of the reasons why he gets credit is due to the fact that HE did resserect that sound. After the the Clark Sisters and Tramaine came out, that sound died out for a minute. It wasn't until records like "Stomp" was released that you saw a resurgence in that sound. The Winans had Teddy Riley and R. Kelly producing them, and Sounds Of Blackness "Optimistic" was a club banger in 1991. This was all before Kirk's debut in 1993. So I'm not really sure what specific sound you're referring to. Kirk did create his own distict sound in gospel music, no denying that. It's often duplicated. But my point is that people have been blending the sacred and the secular long before Kirk even though he takes the heat for it, so to speak. Honestly, the only reason why people do that is because he was the first gospel artist to go have albums that go platinum and multi-platinum. This was what really sparked the hatin', not the blending of sounds.if we wanna talk about gospel crossing borders Sam Cooke and Ray Charles were the guys 2 took that risk b4 anybody. and even b4 that album with Teddy Riley, The Winans had some of the baddest session guys on 1985's "Let My People Go" [Edited 12/30/08 14:27pm] | |
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diamondpearl1 said: Adisa said: The Winans had Teddy Riley and R. Kelly producing them, and Sounds Of Blackness "Optimistic" was a club banger in 1991. This was all before Kirk's debut in 1993. So I'm not really sure what specific sound you're referring to. Kirk did create his own distict sound in gospel music, no denying that. It's often duplicated. But my point is that people have been blending the sacred and the secular long before Kirk even though he takes the heat for it, so to speak. Honestly, the only reason why people do that is because he was the first gospel artist to go have albums that go platinum and multi-platinum. This was what really sparked the hatin', not the blending of sounds.if we wanna talk about gospel crossing borders Sam Cooke and Ray Charles were the guys 2 took that risk b4 anybody.... Sam Cooke  Why don't they make singers like that anymore?I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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Adisa said: diamondpearl1 said: if we wanna talk about gospel crossing borders Sam Cooke and Ray Charles were the guys 2 took that risk b4 anybody.... Sam Cooke Why don't they make singers like that anymore?u remember after Sam passed we had Jerry Butler, Levi Stubbs, (Four Tops) David Ruffin, Eddie Kendricks, Curtis Mayfield, Bobby Womack, Otis Redding, Al Green, Issac Hayes, Ron Isley, Marvin Gaye.... | |
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diamondpearl1 said: Adisa said: Sam Cooke Why don't they make singers like that anymore?u remember after Sam passed we had Jerry Butler, Levi Stubbs, (Four Tops) David Ruffin, Eddie Kendricks, Curtis Mayfield, Bobby Womack, Otis Redding, Al Green, Issac Hayes, Ron Isley, Marvin Gaye.... R&B artists have been using gospel influences for YEARS. | |
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Adisa said: shorttrini said: One of the reasons why he gets credit is due to the fact that HE did resserect that sound. After the the Clark Sisters and Tramaine came out, that sound died out for a minute. It wasn't until records like "Stomp" was released that you saw a resurgence in that sound. The Winans had Teddy Riley and R. Kelly producing them, and Sounds Of Blackness "Optimistic" was a club banger in 1991. This was all before Kirk's debut in 1993. So I'm not really sure what specific sound you're referring to. Kirk did create his own distict sound in gospel music, no denying that. It's often duplicated. But my point is that people have been blending the sacred and the secular long before Kirk even though he takes the heat for it, so to speak. Honestly, the only reason why people do that is because he was the first gospel artist to go have albums that go platinum and multi-platinum. This was what really sparked the hatin', not the blending of sounds."Optimistic" was my JOINT!!! | |
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Timmy84 said: Adisa said: The Winans had Teddy Riley and R. Kelly producing them, and Sounds Of Blackness "Optimistic" was a club banger in 1991. This was all before Kirk's debut in 1993. So I'm not really sure what specific sound you're referring to. Kirk did create his own distict sound in gospel music, no denying that. It's often duplicated. But my point is that people have been blending the sacred and the secular long before Kirk even though he takes the heat for it, so to speak. Honestly, the only reason why people do that is because he was the first gospel artist to go have albums that go platinum and multi-platinum. This was what really sparked the hatin', not the blending of sounds."Optimistic" was my JOINT!!! You know Tim, when I am down I always listen to Optimistic. It lifts me up always. "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" |
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shorttrini said: Timmy84 said: "Optimistic" was my JOINT!!! You know Tim, when I am down I always listen to Optimistic. It lifts me up always. That tune lifts you up. That's the best thing about gospel, you can listen to this and just smile. | |
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