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Reply #60 posted 12/29/08 3:57am

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SUPRMAN said:

graecophilos said:

This is what GM had to say about LWp this year for an US-magazine...

A: I think of all the albums I've made, Listen Without Prejudice, even though I know it's got some great stuff on it, is the one I listen to the least. I was 26, and I really was sick of where I was -- I suppose I took myself a little too seriously. The title for 18 years has been misinterpreted: The only reason it was called Listen Without Prejudice is because I had just lost all my black radio. I had won a couple huge awards at the AMA that traditionally went to black artists, and I lost all my radio overnight. . . . It's a little too white for me -- I thought it would be taken more seriously, I suppose. Whereas now I don't take anything seriously.

I want to ask the black radio listeners... do you think this was the reason, or one major reason it wasn't played enough? I mean, Waiting For That day surely's not black... but it's basically a blues song, he lifted the chords from the Stone's You Can't Always Get What You Want!


But he's not a black radio artist!
Faith just struck a chord.
One More Try was R & B # 1 but no other singles were.
It was also # 1 on the R & B album chart.

George Michael wasn't looking at Faith as an intro into R & B audiences. IF he was, why abandon that audience you were cultivating?
Listen without Prejudice isn't Black Radio friendly, which was why it was passed over.


well, did he ever come back to R'n'B properly?

Songs like Freedom 90 and Soul Free were the blackest things on LWP.
Older was influenced by Brazilian music... I think Fastlove, Spinning The Wheel and Star People are the only black sounding songs.
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Reply #61 posted 12/29/08 6:36am

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LoDog said:

Faith. No contest.


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The earnestness of Listen...annoyed me at the time. Faith is perfect pop.

Agreed.
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Reply #62 posted 12/30/08 1:12am

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actually, patience.
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Reply #63 posted 12/30/08 1:54am

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I was never into George Micheal or Wham for that matter,
but I did like a couple of their songs:

Father Figure,
Careless Whisper,
and
Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go.

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Reply #64 posted 12/30/08 2:35am

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wildgoldenhoney said:

I was never into George Micheal or Wham for that matter,
but I did like a couple of their songs:

Father Figure,
Careless Whisper,
and
Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go.

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You.....WHAT?!


Go pick up a copy of Faith....NOW!
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Reply #65 posted 12/30/08 2:53am

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bboy87 said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

I was never into George Micheal or Wham for that matter,
but I did like a couple of their songs:

Father Figure,
Careless Whisper,
and
Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go.

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You.....WHAT?!


Go pick up a copy of Faith....NOW!

Oh, I do like 'Faith' too.
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Reply #66 posted 12/30/08 4:28am

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wildgoldenhoney said:

bboy87 said:




You.....WHAT?!


Go pick up a copy of Faith....NOW!

Oh, I do like 'Faith' too.
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He ment the WHOLE album.

Actually I could prescript everyone thise GM (related) albums:

Make It Big
Faith
Listen Without Prejudice Vol.1
Older

I think his vocals on Songs Of The Last Century are great, but I find some songs boring. But this album has a lot of class!

Btw, GM's voice sound still clean on that one, but somewhere around the year 2000 his voice became smokey and raw and deeper. I don't like that.

He sang Careless Whisper and other songs in a lower key than on record. Now don't say one's voice lowers sooner or later. Stevie Wonder still hits the same notes like it was 1973. With less smoking weed maintaining a voice is possible.
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Reply #67 posted 12/30/08 11:27am

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graecophilos said:

wildgoldenhoney said:


Oh, I do like 'Faith' too.
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He ment the WHOLE album.

Actually I could prescript everyone thise GM (related) albums:

Make It Big
Faith
Listen Without Prejudice Vol.1
Older

I think his vocals on Songs Of The Last Century are great, but I find some songs boring. But this album has a lot of class!

Btw, GM's voice sound still clean on that one, but somewhere around the year 2000 his voice became smokey and raw and deeper. I don't like that.

He sang Careless Whisper and other songs in a lower key than on record. Now don't say one's voice lowers sooner or later. Stevie Wonder still hits the same notes like it was 1973. With less smoking weed maintaining a voice is possible.


yea, songs is gorgeous, but i found it inaccessible and boring.
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Reply #68 posted 12/30/08 11:41am

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George Michael is an incredible artist! One of my favs next to Prince.

It's hard to pick a favorite album....they are all excellent but my 3 favs tied equally are:

Patience
Older
and Listen Without Prejudice Vol.1

OH! And the last WHAM! album "Music from the Edge of Heaven" is wonderful.

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Reply #69 posted 12/30/08 11:47am

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...and now we've had someone pick all of the proper albums except LWP and all of them except Faith...
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Reply #70 posted 12/30/08 12:07pm

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AlexdeParis said:

...and now we've had someone pick all of the proper albums except LWP and all of them except Faith...

To me, those 2 are undeniably the best.

I've come to appreciate Older much more as time has gone on, but it still feels like a little something is missing.
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Reply #71 posted 12/30/08 12:32pm

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TRON said:

AlexdeParis said:

...and now we've had someone pick all of the proper albums except LWP and all of them except Faith...

To me, those 2 are undeniably the best.

I've come to appreciate Older much more as time has gone on, but it still feels like a little something is missing.

Oh, I completely agree. Love Older, but there's no question about the top 2 IMO. nod
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Reply #72 posted 12/30/08 2:59pm

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AlexdeParis said:

TRON said:


To me, those 2 are undeniably the best.

I've come to appreciate Older much more as time has gone on, but it still feels like a little something is missing.

Oh, I completely agree. Love Older, but there's no question about the top 2 IMO. nod


Yeah. But I sgtill try to like Patience. It's still disapointing for me.
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Reply #73 posted 12/30/08 5:39pm

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graecophilos said:

AlexdeParis said:


Oh, I completely agree. Love Older, but there's no question about the top 2 IMO. nod


Yeah. But I sgtill try to like Patience. It's still disapointing for me.

It's a good album IMO, but nothing compared to his first 3 albums.
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Reply #74 posted 12/30/08 9:54pm

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AlexdeParis said:

SUPRMAN said:



But he's not a black radio artist!
Faith just struck a chord.
One More Try was R & B # 1 but no other singles were.
It was also # 1 on the R & B album chart.

George Michael wasn't looking at Faith as an intro into R & B audiences. IF he was, why abandon that audience you were cultivating?
Listen without Prejudice isn't Black Radio friendly, which was why it was passed over.

I know he has always been very proud of Faith reaching #1 R&B. As for the singles, none of the others reached #1, but all except the title track charted and did rather well ("Father Figure" #6, "Monkey" #8, ""Hard Day" #21, "Kissing a Fool" #33, and "I Want Your Sex" #43). Add in "Careless Whisper" #8 and his #5 duet with Aretha -- he was a pretty successful R&B artist.

I would've expected "Praying for Time" to at least chart... maybe "Freedom 90" as well.



I was surprised "Freedom 90" wasn't a hit on black radio. "Kissing a Fool" surprised me with its crossover success.
"Father Figure" should have been a R & B #1
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Reply #75 posted 12/30/08 10:07pm

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graecophilos said:

wildgoldenhoney said:


Oh, I do like 'Faith' too.
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He ment the WHOLE album.

Actually I could prescript everyone thise GM (related) albums:

Make It Big
Faith
Listen Without Prejudice Vol.1
Older

I think his vocals on Songs Of The Last Century are great, but I find some songs boring. But this album has a lot of class!

Btw, GM's voice sound still clean on that one, but somewhere around the year 2000 his voice became smokey and raw and deeper. I don't like that.

He sang Careless Whisper and other songs in a lower key than on record. Now don't say one's voice lowers sooner or later. Stevie Wonder still hits the same notes like it was 1973. With less smoking weed maintaining a voice is possible.


Make it Big?
I don't do Wham!
I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think.
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Reply #76 posted 12/30/08 10:13pm

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SUPRMAN said:

graecophilos said:



He ment the WHOLE album.

Actually I could prescript everyone thise GM (related) albums:

Make It Big
Faith
Listen Without Prejudice Vol.1
Older

I think his vocals on Songs Of The Last Century are great, but I find some songs boring. But this album has a lot of class!

Btw, GM's voice sound still clean on that one, but somewhere around the year 2000 his voice became smokey and raw and deeper. I don't like that.

He sang Careless Whisper and other songs in a lower key than on record. Now don't say one's voice lowers sooner or later. Stevie Wonder still hits the same notes like it was 1973. With less smoking weed maintaining a voice is possible.


Make it Big?
I don't do Wham!

What's wrong with Wham!? "Everything She Wants," "Freedom," "Careless Whisper"... lots of great songs.
"Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis
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Reply #77 posted 12/30/08 10:17pm

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cborgman said:

graecophilos said:



He ment the WHOLE album.

Actually I could prescript everyone thise GM (related) albums:

Make It Big
Faith
Listen Without Prejudice Vol.1
Older

I think his vocals on Songs Of The Last Century are great, but I find some songs boring. But this album has a lot of class!

Btw, GM's voice sound still clean on that one, but somewhere around the year 2000 his voice became smokey and raw and deeper. I don't like that.

He sang Careless Whisper and other songs in a lower key than on record. Now don't say one's voice lowers sooner or later. Stevie Wonder still hits the same notes like it was 1973. With less smoking weed maintaining a voice is possible.


yea, songs is gorgeous, but i found it inaccessible and boring.



I don't find it inaccessible but can I suggest that it's not so much boring as feeling vacant, like he's singing in a nightclub without an audience.
But there's also the Sinatra allusion which is what I guess he was going for.


But for me 'Older' is far and away his best work.
I like 'Patience(Amazing)' album better than Listen w/out Prejudice which I guess is fourth because 'Faith' is an easy second.
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Reply #78 posted 12/31/08 12:19am

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graecophilos said:

wildgoldenhoney said:


Oh, I do like 'Faith' too.
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He ment the WHOLE album.

Actually I could prescript everyone thise GM (related) albums:

Make It Big
Faith
Listen Without Prejudice Vol.1
Older

I think his vocals on Songs Of The Last Century are great, but I find some songs boring. But this album has a lot of class!

Btw, GM's voice sound still clean on that one, but somewhere around the year 2000 his voice became smokey and raw and deeper. I don't like that.

He sang Careless Whisper and other songs in a lower key than on record. Now don't say one's voice lowers sooner or later. Stevie Wonder still hits the same notes like it was 1973. With less smoking weed maintaining a voice is possible.

What songs are on the 'Faith' album?
Maybe I'll just go look it up on youtube.
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Reply #79 posted 12/31/08 12:27am

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I'm liking 'Faith', the song.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...annel_page
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Reply #80 posted 12/31/08 1:24am

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wildgoldenhoney said:

graecophilos said:



He ment the WHOLE album.

Actually I could prescript everyone thise GM (related) albums:

Make It Big
Faith
Listen Without Prejudice Vol.1
Older

I think his vocals on Songs Of The Last Century are great, but I find some songs boring. But this album has a lot of class!

Btw, GM's voice sound still clean on that one, but somewhere around the year 2000 his voice became smokey and raw and deeper. I don't like that.

He sang Careless Whisper and other songs in a lower key than on record. Now don't say one's voice lowers sooner or later. Stevie Wonder still hits the same notes like it was 1973. With less smoking weed maintaining a voice is possible.

What songs are on the 'Faith' album?
Maybe I'll just go look it up on youtube.

1. "Faith" – 3:16
2. "Father Figure" – 5:36
3. "I Want Your Sex (Parts I & II)"† – 9:17
4. "One More Try" – 5:50
5. "Hard Day" – 4:48
6. "Hand to Mouth" – 4:36
7. "Look at Your Hands" (featuring David Austin) – 4:37
8. "Monkey" – 5:06
9. "Kissing a Fool" – 4:35
10. "Hard Day" (Shep Pettibone Remix) – 6:29
11. "A Last Request (I Want Your Sex Part III)" – 3:48


I Want Your Sex
http://www.youtube.com/wa...V5j_85FJ5s

One More Try


Monkey(remix)


Kissing A Fool
http://www.youtube.com/wa...l0ZcgZV714

Hard Day(remix)
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Reply #81 posted 12/31/08 1:39am

wildgoldenhone
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Thanks for the list bboy.

I love this song.
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One More Try
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Reply #82 posted 12/31/08 3:38am

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Thanks for the list bboy.

I love this song.
cry
One More Try


I must admit I find One More Try a bit too long. My concentration span's too short for that. ("Sex" is longer but it has got some rhythm)
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Reply #83 posted 01/06/09 7:40pm

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There are songs on Listen Without Prejudice that make me cry. It's beautiful.

For Christmas I got GEORGE MICHAEL TWENTYFIVE. It's awesome. It's got FREEK, which wasn't released in the states but I had heard about it and saw it online along with AS, with Mary J. Blige. I do have to say that I didn't know about IF I TOLD YOU THAT with Whitney Houston. Not bad.

Did anyone catch the George Michael documentary that was, is? on youtube? I would love to own it. I don't know if it's been distributed for sale.
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Reply #84 posted 01/06/09 9:22pm

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AlexdeParis said:

SUPRMAN said:



Make it Big?
I don't do Wham!

What's wrong with Wham!? "Everything She Wants," "Freedom," "Careless Whisper"... lots of great songs.



The only two Wham! songs I have are "Freedom," and "Careless Whisper."

I do like 'Everything She Wants." That's about it.
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Reply #85 posted 01/07/09 12:49am

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SUPRMAN said:

AlexdeParis said:


What's wrong with Wham!? "Everything She Wants," "Freedom," "Careless Whisper"... lots of great songs.



The only two Wham! songs I have are "Freedom," and "Careless Whisper."

I do like 'Everything She Wants." That's about it.


What about Wake Me Up Before You Go Go?

I'm Your Man?

If You Were There

The Edge Of Heaven

Nothing Looks The Same In The Light

Last Christmas

they're all good songs!
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Reply #86 posted 01/07/09 8:37am

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graecophilos said:

SUPRMAN said:




The only two Wham! songs I have are "Freedom," and "Careless Whisper."

I do like 'Everything She Wants." That's about it.


What about Wake Me Up Before You Go Go?

I'm Your Man?

If You Were There

The Edge Of Heaven

Nothing Looks The Same In The Light

Last Christmas

they're all good songs!



Why has no one mentioned BATTLESTATIONS? lol I love that song. I also love IF YOU WERE THERE. I don't know if A DIFFERENT CORNER is WHAM or just GEORGE but that's another one of my faves.

I've never been attracted to George, I loved Andres, but how great does he look in the I'M YOUR MAN video.
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Reply #87 posted 01/07/09 9:56am

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Songs from the last century
BUT I love them all.
Older and Patience are amazing from start to finish!
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Reply #88 posted 01/07/09 10:25am

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Reply #89 posted 01/07/09 11:00am

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i think Fantastic is a fantastic album considering most songs were written when he was 17. three others were written at 19...

My faves from this period are Nothing Looks The Same In The Light, Buel and Club Tropicana.
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