SPYZFAN1 said:

Because people want proof about Michael being greater than anybody. Good music isn't really about who's better at what or not. MJ was a genius at his time, you don't need to add to it to make him seem better than what he is. We know he was/is a good composer too. And you're right, these threads do pop up every four months.

alphastreet said:

It´s not MJ who needs the comeback. It´s the world who needs MJ´s comeback.

As for the topic - no matter how well and how many instruments MJ can play, to me, he´s still a great musician - one of the best of our time and I don´t understand why so many people need to question his talent all the time when he obviously is a great one.

I don´t think MJ doens not like music as some have said. I think he may have only discovered other things in life and I believe when he´s ready, he will do an album. I can´t imagine him doing nothing for the rest of his life.

dag said:

well, this is his longest break from music ever. i can imagine it continuing, he's in a lazy rut. as long as the compilations and anniversary releases continue to be released (and sell) he has little incentive to do anything new.

The longer he stays away, the more these new cats reference him and the more legendary he gets.

What's up next? 'Hello World' a compilation of his solo Motown albums in February, remastered. Then OTW30, hopefully with something new.

Not ideal, but i'll take them over a new album with Shit-Hoppers any day.

Marrk said:

No, it´s not. When was the last time you´ve heard aboutt Lisa Stansfield or Sade?

dag said:

marrk said this has been Michael's longest break from music (not the longest break from music by any artist)
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LittleBLUECorvette said:

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WTF is your point with this response.

thebanishedone said:

Are you sure he didn't mean he makes a fort out of pillows and blankets on the piano, gets some kids, and calls producers from his fort?

Marrk said:

Yeah , its the longest break , If there wasn't a trial Mj would have an album released in 2005,there is like 4 years gap between his albums, this is his technique and he talked many times about it, he said that he releases album every 4 years.
off the wall to thriller-4 years
Thriller to Bad -4 or 5 years
Bad to dangerous-4 years
dangerous to history-4 years
Hisory to BONDF-2 years
BONDF to Invinicble-4 years

I think MJ has recorded some many new songs ,but he is not gonna release anything until he is 100% satisfied and happy with the songs , Mj is different from other artists, he experment with the tracks and live with them, he puts the most played tracks on his head on his albums, the most played track on his head will likely be on the album,Thats how he works, and thats why it takes an insane time for his albums to be released, Mj spends weeks on just one song
, I think this album took so much time cause he has been very selective with the tracks that he doesn't want to record anything, I hope the result will be good
[Edited 12/22/08 9:53am]

Timmy84 said:

you're right. people (especially non-musicians) can't seem to accept that a person can be a great musician AND not be able to play an instrument or to read music.

If Michael could play the piano it wouldn't change what he is, which is one of the great pop stars & performers of the 20th century.

If Prince can't read music, it doesn't change that he's one of the greatest musicians of the 20th century.

banks said:

oh yeah, sorry.

NDRU said:

In the world of musicians, singers are a dime a dozen and aren't considered real musicians...
Just poster boys/girls to help sell the music...

EmbattledWarrior said:

Considered by who? So Ella Fitzgerald, Pavarotti, Mel Torme, etc aren't real musicians?

Bobby Mc Ferrin gets a bad rap for one stupid song, but did entire songs with his voice--drums, bass, & guitar parts (and vocals of course ) Sam with MJ. I don't believe he plays instruments, but if he beatboxed to write a great song like Billie Jean, then he's a musician.

But for most singers I'd have to agree with you. They are simply young & nice to look at, not musicians.
[Edited 12/22/08 12:02pm]

EmbattledWarrior said:

not to kick him while he's down, but when was the last time he did a full concert singing live? the BAD tour? a lifetime ago.

At this point in time, he's not even a singer, much less a musician. He's a shadow of himself.

I'm dreadfully sorry for him that he can't get himself up for it one last time.

Marrk said:

I will defend the singers, but you're absolutely right.

Marrk said:

It´s sad to read that you´ve given up. I have not. I just hope that if he´s truly not recording that he´s enjoying life the way he´s never done before.

NDRU said:

Hey don't jump at me, thats just how it is...
I'm a singer, and I and perhaps a few vocal coaches believe its an instrument...
But...
Musicians don't deem Singers as musicians...
They're just singers...
When I just played instruments and didn't sing, it's what I believed too

EmbattledWarrior said:

sorry don't mean to get in your face.

but yes I think many people don't see singers as musicians (I think they're wrong, though)

NDRU said:

Its really the curse of the jaded instrumentalist, who works their entire lifetime perfecting their craft,
whilst singers doon't really have to endure painstaking training
and when they do, it'sfor stupid shit like breath control and diction, not really singing...
It's a common misconception tho, Singing (properly) is very hard, but I'd say 90% of those popular in the idustry can't sing properly... or efficiently
And they still make money...
so it's reasonable why musicians feel jaded...
It's one of those bitter things you have to swallow about the industry..
Talent takes the backseat

EmbattledWarrior said:

yeah just because singing is pretty intuitive, people ignore that a moron can play the guitar badly but only a musician could sing brilliantly

Yeah he plays an instrument.....his mouth

dag said:

not entirely given up. where there's a spark there's a light. I still love listening to him a lot (especially the first 20yrs of his career). I will always wish him well.

seeingvoices12 said:

This is actually true. Michael works that way I think..

NDRU said:

Why should singers be musicians anyway. I dont get ur point!

seeingvoices12 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Im talking about albums by MJ as a solo artist not the jacksons .
[Edited 12/23/08 4:08am]
[Edited 12/23/08 4:09am]

Marrk said:

That sounds better.

Be more positive. There´s enough negativity already.

OzlemUcucu said:

because they make music with an instrument--their voice

and see, you prove my point. You're not a musician, saying singers aren't musicians!

dag said:

Better than I who, thinks his entire catalogue needs to be drenched in gasoline... and set a fire..., with the exception of a sew songs here and there

But then again... I'm just not a fan anymore...

Some of the posts on here are so narrow minded. Here is the deal:


1. Michael Jackson is a gifted musician and songwriter (and performer).

2. We have yet to see any evidence that he can play piano (or any other musical instrument).

3. It's been documented and he has demonstrated that he often composes the various parts to his songs by vocalizing the parts (e.g. singing the bass line, beat boxing the drums, etc.)

These are facts (well #1 is an opinion but I doubt that many people would disagree).

The problem is, the FAN-atics seem to think that since he writes great songs, he MUST play the piano. That is a false assumption of logic.

There are many songwriters who do no play instruments and/or read music. Some people are gifted and can "hear" or come up with melodies on their own without an instrument.

THe other side, is that some of us would really like to know if he can play. I personally would love to see him play just out of curiosity. Whether he does or does not doesn't take away from my respect of his talent.

As someone who does play piano, I would just love to see him do it if he can.

And to the person who said to write a song you must be able to write chords..... that is not necessarily true. As a keyboard player it's hard for me to understand too, but many songwriters focus on the melody and the lyrics and then other musicians help them "fill in" the chords progressions that go underneath.

I believe Mariah tends to write like that....all of her songs are co-written with a pianist. She can play but admits she is not very good so works with someone who can.

Similarly to MJ, I would love to see Mariah one day sit at a piano and accompany herself, especially since she can do it. She gets nervous on stage so I can see why sh doesn't but it would be great to see her do it once in a while.

Which is what I was saying about Michael. It woul just be cool to see him do that assuming he can. If he can't, then so be it. He still is great.

GaryMF said:

Name one...
and don't name a fucker like Bernie Taupin, cause he wasn't a composer, only a singer and a lyricist,
Srry I have to be a tad pretentious here...
ALL COMPOSERS PLAY INSTRUMENTS
and this aint coming from a fan either...