thesexofit said:

I actually prefer the stuff they do without Max. His name and theirs almost go hand-in-hand, but I tend to favour their work with other producers. Max's stuff is too polished and Euro-poppy usually. Even more than that though, I dig what they do when they work and produce on their own.

If anyone wants to help me track him down, I've decided that they really, desperately need Mr. Obie Morant back palying in their band. No one did sax like that guy.

Lammastide said:

What makes you think a straight male's story would be some thug jock whining about a girl?

meow85 said:

Starr was responible for New Edition (until they told him to fuck off) and New kids on the Block (until they again told him to fuck off). New Edition broke with Starr after their first album and recovered. NKOTB left Maurice after their peak, but bad timing cost their album without Starr to pale bigtime in comparison saleswise. Starr also wrote and produced all their stuff. Starr can sometimes turn out some pop gems, but boy, was he formulaic LOL. To be expected though if you let the same guy do all your records (like NKOTB had a choice of producers to work with LOL)

No idea about Denniz. R.I.P. They should do a greatest hits of those guys, as I know they wrote for Nsync and of course Britney aswell (and others). They had a great run of massive hits thats overlooked by music critics. Maybe in time, some of their work will be more appreciated. Not likely, but they wrote and produced some great songs, and definately had their own sound!

thesexofit said:

Maurice Starr was the devil. New Kids were more loyal because they thought Maurice would help them out but they realize that he was able to do what he COULDN'T do with New Edition: burn them out. New Edition knew what was up before they allow Maurice to ruin it.

meow85 said:

I said nothing about a thug. My point was that for all the reasons I've discussed so far, I think the plight of a young female artist might strike closer to home for many young gay men than that of some strapping young straight male chanteur (i.e. the type that ostensibly make up boy bands).

...And I don't think the only thing a straight male singer would lament about is a girl. That -- again -- was a comment made in jest. (Although I can't honestly think of much else boy bands, for example, sing about. )
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thesexofit said:

Ah! I knew the name was familiar for some reason, but it wasn't really ringing a bell. I think I deserve to be docked boyband points for not knowing that.

Yeah, Denniz died sometime in 1998. August, I think. The boys' hit "Show Me the Meaning" was written by Max, specifically for BSB to sing, as tribute to Denniz.

meow85 said:

One of my fav songs by BSB's called "i'll never break your heart" was co-written by Eugene Wilde. Soul heads would probably of heard of him, and would no doubt surprise them aswell. Also, Mr Lee does a bit of work on their first album also LOL. Sorta like when Full force later worked with them. Its a funny old world...

"Darlin'" is my cut off their first though. Very much like the Shai's and hi-five's rnb boybands of the early 90's etc.. (producer Timmy Allen worked with Hi five so the connection is there LOL)

meow85 said:

Yeah Lou got involved with the Backstreet dudes first.
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Lammastide said:

But why? Music aside, many of the young female performers lives aren't any more tragic or distressing than that of the young male performers.

meow85 said:

And they needn't be. In a broad conceptual sense, I think it's less about an individual artist's story than the fact she represents the plight of the embattled female.

thesexofit said:

God, I haven't listened to that track in years. But yeah, it's very similar stylistically to what was happening with more traditional r&b acts that got a lot more respect than any boyband ever did.

at Kevin's "seky talky pa-hart". (please tell me you get that reference )

Speaking of people more serious music fans would be surprised worked with the Boys, Tommy Barbarella is featured prominently on keyboards on the Never Gone album.
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meow85 said:

Stereotype much?

SUPRMAN said:

Nope.


Assume without reading, much?
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meow85 said:

Iam not listening to the track now (I posted it for you LOL), but I do like it alot. Same with "i'll never break your heart" (as I mentioned already), "roll with it" and a few others. Cool to see Tommy Barb still in the game. I love info like that. I study music credits LOL. Never thought I'd hear old Tommy mentioned again LOL (sorta like Tony M on the "hoop dreams" OST).

I remember BSB saying something about wanting the screaming fans Take That had when they first came over to the UK. Nice to see they were humble at the beginning as they didn't have to say that about Take That.
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meow85 said:

Nope
Your last sentence, "But a person doesn't need to look that far or that hard to find a young straight guy who knows who, say, Zeppelin is, for example, while this does not seem to be the case in the gay community."

Timmy84 said:

Though to be fair to Maurice, everybody in New Edition and NKOTB owe their start to Maurice. All of them (bar Joey Mckintyre) were normal, working class kids from poor neighbourhoods and without Maurice, woulda probably never gotten out.

Iam surprised Motown didn't sue Starr for stealing the riff off "ABC" for "candy girl"

thesexofit said:

Yeah that is true.

thesexofit said:

Humility, and an apparent inability to play the boyband game properly has probably been what's kept them afloat years after other boybands fizzled out. You'd almost expect cockiness from a group that defied expectations, but ask them now and they're just as befuddled as the rest of us that a boyband has kept going for 15 years.

Rumour has it it was AJ who was responsible for bringing Tommy on board, though no one seems to know the story behind that.

SUPRMAN said:

I said that because that's been my experience among certain young, gay men. I already added qualifiers and explanations of said qualifiers detailing exactly how I don't mean everybody. Read those and get back to me.

thesexofit said:

For the longest time when I was younger, I thought Candy Girl was just a different version of the J5 song.

meow85 said:

Yeah, they seem cool. Iam not a fan of pop music from their era (might aswell say BSB era as they were the biggest), but I still play some of the later BSB stuff, yet, despite the max martin/dennis PoP connection etc.., I dont own any Nsync. I bought Aaron Carters first album when I was about 20 LOL. Good flashback to my youth. "Crush on you" was about the only song I could handle, and the only song of his I could tolarate at the time (and yes I know its a cover, but I prefer his version )

Still "tearin' up my heart" was OK, you liked that one right? Hmm, Nsync and BSB albums etc.. are always in second hand stores.I oughta buy some more....

thesexofit said:

Not to mention, no one takes the piss out of the whole boyband thing better than Backstreet Boys. Check the special episode of Arthur they appeared on for charity. Supposedly they had a hand in idea input for the episode, and it shows. The whole thing is one big boyband joke. I'd love to hear what they could do in good humour on a more adult forum.

Tearin Up My Heart was okay. I never really got into *N SYNC the way I did BSB. I didn't dislike them, I think it was just residual loyalty/Pearlman resentment that was blocking me. I did try to keep up with them somewhat though, especially in the lawsuit years. Whatever happened to or affected one group, usually the other was involved as well.
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meow85 said:

Simon Fuller of American Idol fame brought us the Spice Girls. he managed them after they left the guys that put them together and brought them to Virgin Records.

ehuffnsd said:

Ah. Thanks. I knew it was someone whose name I'd heard before who was behind the Girls. I feel like a need some gold stars taken away for mixing up the names though.

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Because it's all they have been exposed to their whole life and they know nothing else.

Gay clubs have always had their own music such as disco, hi-energy, freestyle, house, etc. until recent years. It all depends on what area you live in and whether you go to a black or white club. When I first started going out in the early 1990s, I went to the black club exclusively which played house music. Over across the street at the white club, they played house but most of it wasn't funky black house like the black club. At the white club, it was more European sounding house. Then in later years, more and more black artists stopped making house which took all the funkiness out of it and the white house started sounding more and more acid or trance sounding which was repetitive and actually too fast to dance to unless you were someone strung out on drugs.

Nowadays, the black club in my area plays nothing but shit hop. I've been there maybe three times in the last five years and every time it's the same thing all night long....shit hop. All the black older gay people and the younger black gay people who had taste or class started going to the white gay club when shit hop took over the black club. That trance shit may be repetitive and undanceable but that shit hop is absolutely unacceptable and I can't even stand to be in the same room with it. I have noticed however, that the trance stuff that is played seems to be the same mix every time I go to the club. Whenever I'm in the record store, the only music I ever see in the dance, trance, techno, (or whatever it's called these days) section, the CDs are all by various artists and I see no full albums by an artist or maxi singles. Maybe that's why I hear the same mix every time I go out. Maybe there is no dance music being made except for compilations these days. Hell, I don't know because I gave up on dance music when it became trance.

Gay men aren't musical snobs. They are less-likely to be prejudiced in their musical tastes than their straight counterparts.

A good song is a good song; whether it's sung by Kylie, Coldplay or Chris Brown.

Trust me when I say that I'm not one to fit in the mold you're casting. My musical tastes range back as far as the 40s. My mother was largely responsible for putting the first colors on my musical palette. Growing up in my house, we listened to mainstream 60s and country. Two songs my mother liked that I gravitated toward were the ragtime classic The Entertainer and Cherokee People by Paul Revere & the Raiders. However, she also loved to watch American Bandstand and Soul Train (she had this fascination with Rick James), and hated Lawrence Welk with a passion (cuz she said that Grandma made all the kids sit every week and watch it.) It's coming up on ten years since she passed away, so this post actually gives me a chance to remember Mom digging the dancers in the Soul Train line.

Today, however, my tastes range as widely as Prince on one side (obviously) to Celtic Frost (Monotheist) on the other, and so much in between. The only time I ever listened to boy bands was when songs were being used for line dancing. And I used to loathe 90s techno, cuz I found it indistinguishable from techno (but now I have techno/electronica elements in many of my songs, so go figure)

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I think you found the answer!

I don't obsess over the same female acts that a gay stereotype would dictate but I love me some female emcees.. more than your average (straight male) hip hop fan.
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meow85 said:

no 'seriously', by saying YOUNG GAY MEN, did you just mean 'some of them' not 'all of them.' Sure didn't come out that way. Mean what you say and say what you mean.