Timmy84 said:

Jackson 5 were saying corny shit like that for mags too. Doesn't mean they mean it. And I love "i think I love you" and "the right stuff"

thesexofit said:

I meant them too. I am a JACKSONS fan. I'd rather shake my ass to "Shake Your Body" than "ABC", a'ight?

Speaking of, what were New Kids thinking doing "Hangin' Tough"? Corny shit.
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meow85 said:

Yeah, i sorta said that earlier but nobody answered LOL (except I sorta narrowed it down to tragic male acts that gay guys generally dont care for like they do ladies)
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Timmy84 said:

I guess it's a good thing then that the Backstreet Boys Men gave up on that Bop! magazine bullshit years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if their inability to behave like a boyband is what's kept them going so much longer than anyone expected them to. They quit giving those nonsense rainbows 'n' puppies answers about the same time they dumped Pearlman's pedophile ass.
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Timmy84 said:

Meh, I dont mind the video mix/7" mix of "hangin' tough", but I dont hear it that often I guess? Its funny and fun. I love loads of corny shit!

Never dug "abc" really. Much, much preferred the more adult "love you save".

Lammastide said:

Maybe it's because I'm female and only halfways-gay that's causing me to not understand, but why would a female singer's hard-luck story resonate more deeply than a male singer's hard-luck story would?

meow85 said:

Yeah I noticed that.

meow85 said:

The responses I've seen is that like them, the female artists have felt discriminated, used and abused and they deal with insecurity and drama and lots of bullshit and in a sense, this is why some gay men are turned on to them, plus their songs sometime have a relevance to them so they're gonna be affected by their message in a positive light. But I do believe there are men that are favored in the gay community, they're just not as devoted to them as they are female artists. Me personally, I feel a connection with both male and female artists, lol.
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meow85 said:

Not related to thread, but anyway...

...You probably wont know this, but Take That split at the top of their game in 1996 (or 1995?), came back a few years ago. Nobody thought they would be the sucsess they are in the UK now. Seriously, biggest comeback of the last 10 years or so. Their new music is more adult orientated, but proof boybands can comeback, at least in forgiving England anyway. (USA rarely looks back on music, too faddy).

Just wonder is BSB could if they market the UK properly? I remember BSB being second bill to Take That when they first came over to UK. Their first album had a few nice rnb cuts that I still play.

Timmy84 said:

The true divas, yes. But the Rihanna's and the Girlicious of the music world? Their images are just about as carefully crafted and pre-fab as it gets.

Why is it that it seems so common for younger (late teens and 20's) gay dudes to fall all over themselves for the same music their little sisters drool over? Why are acts like Britney, Rihanna, Lady GaGa, and Girlicious so popular with this demographic?

Ok. Lemmie try.

It is true. A lot of gay man with whom I had contact with enjoyed these acts precisely. My roommate for example - he's 23, and listens to nothing but Chris Brown, Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Girlicious, Beyonce and whatever latest dance hit tops the charts. He's just one of many. That is why I think the question is plausible and interesting.

NOTE: Obviously we're not talking about EVERY gay man. Not a single study was ever conducted this way. We are talking about noticeable behavioral patterns. It's clear that this type of music is popular in the gay nightclub realm. It's a fact. No need to feel offended if u can find an exception from that rule.

The question is even more interesting when we notice that at least for the part 5 decades every generation of gay men had similar acts that they've embraced: until recently almost exclusively females with big voices or good showmanship skills (callas, garland, houston, carey, jackson, madonna etc)

Why? (I'm answering according to my reasoning and beliefs). Bare with me.

1. Gay man,like any other ppl, are built up of male and female elements. However with gay men, the number of female and male elements stored in the brain is closer than with straight people.

2. In the early childhood and adolescence, the gay males are encouraged by the environment to develop the male element. Boys are encourage to play sports. The female element is scrutinized, and becomes a secret self.

3. The female element is however a part of a gay male. It doesn't go away, just because its not fully embraced. It must find its ways of release though: be it arts, music, craft, dance - any intrinsically fields of the female element, which is also the element of fun, innocence, submissiveness. Music is often the field that's most accessible.

4. Yet, the female element in gay male remain underdeveloped. Why?
a) constant scrutiny of the female element in males. There is little engagement to develop this side of our nature.
b) gay men are men. they have male functions. The gay female element does not haveto develop from its adolescent form into that found in a mature woman. Gay man don't have to bear children, we don't have periods, etc. In this way our female element remains like that of a 12 y.o girl.

5. Hence the gay preference of big female acts has two reasons:
- these acts respond well with the underdeveloped female element
- they also rub well our need to see a female element doing well in a male world.

6. Why don't all the gay males like that type of music then?
a) external elements: peers, family.
b) internal elements: even though the number of male and female elements in gay man is close it is not equal in every gay male and it is distributed in various areas. In case of the part of the brain responsible for the aesthetics, a large number (or a growing number) of male elements forces the female elements in the self to grow older, abandon innocence.

Side note: the balance of M/F elements affect other areas of our brain as well. That is why some gay man have very visible female gestures, while some don't at all. It's also why some gay man prefer to be domniated and other like to dominate. Etc, etc.





Please keep in mind that this is my personal idea that I'm not trying to impose on anybody. Its not perfect either. Stay calm.

meow85 said:

It could be like what Rushing said, they like their music because it's easy to dance to, lol.
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meow85 said:

well that's just the sign of the times. not just gay men.

Timmy84 said:

Why having his boybands come across as actually fluffier than they really were was part of that fat fuck's game plan, I'll never be able to figure. Boybands get enough crap from the general public without having them give canned answers about romantic moonlit dinners.

I still remember the early days, where *N SYNC had that video featuring 15 year old Timberlake stretched out shirtless on a bed like some beefcake pinup, and BSB did a photoshoot -with 3 of their members underaged -lying on a bed in their undies. If that shit wasn't evidence of something shady going on with the handlers, I don't know what would be.

meow85 said:

Only guessing here, meow, but it could be that straight men are pigs. They lie, cause a lot of trouble, try to sound all sensitive... But it doesn't come off as genuine. At least not nearly as genuine as the plight of a woman, who likely has suffered mostly at the whim of straight men... just as we homos have.

There's something else, too, that might be at play: While LGBT people challenge gender conventions in an "outward" sense, in another sense we may be very well steeped in them -- perhaps even appreciating them on some level. Sensitivity, singing about the softness of love, etc. are things generally associated with femininity. Most gays I know love women, but we want our men to be MEN! I guarantee you won't be hard-pressed to find gay fans of harder acts like, say, Queen.

meow85 said:

Man, what about the teeny boppers in the '70s, that's when that shit started with Leif Garrett and 'em. David Cassidy was over the age when he posed nude on Rolling Stone but that was because he was tired of the image. But they did New Kids the same way in the '80s. Black boy bands like B2K and Immature did the same thing Backstreet and *N Sync did. I mean it's just wrong.

thesexofit said:

Who knows? They're currently working a sold-out world tour, though it never occurred to me to check for any UK dates. I know demand was so high here in Canada they actually added 5 or 6 dates to the Canuck leg of the tour to keep up.

Lammastide said:

But you'll be surprised how SOME men in seemingly "heterosexual" genres suddenly come out (Judas Priest's Rob Halford is a good example) or their image was so evident (Queen's Freddie Mercury) get away with presenting a non-straight image. I bet you if there was a guy and he happened to be gay but instead of a diva, you found Metallica and AC/DC in his CD case, you'd be looking at him funny.

Vainandy must be busy Can't wait till he gets on this, love his taste in music

meow85 said:

Pearlman sounds even worse then Maurice Starr. This "fluffy" image, as I said, is more of a US thing. It happens in the UK, but not to the extent in the US.

BSB jumped on the boat for cheesy europe/UK in 1994 with EYC, Jacko's Nephews 3T and Jeremy Jackson. It took America about 2-3 years to latch onto boybands again. Of course, Max Martin/Dennis PoP owned in the mid-late 90's. They were Swedish I think?
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lilgish said:

OH he IS gonna post if we keep this thread up for the weekend! I forget what time he does post here.

Timmy84 said:

Pearlman was also involved with New Kids, as well as a good chunk of the 90's crop that weren't as succesful as BSB or *N SYNC. He practically had a monopoly on the American market, so I'm not surprised that the same tactics would be used.

unfortunately must groups share the same taste in music, there are very few ppl with eclectic tastes, which sorta goes hand and hand with the few
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meow85 said:

You know a lot of managers of boy bands do the same thing over and over again so Lou was one of MANY.

Lammastide said:

Naw, I don't really buy into that whole "straight men are the root of all our pain" mentality. A lot of straight guys are assholes, but even more than that are decent people.

Though as for certain members in the LGBT community being immersed in traditional gender roles, I'd co-sign that 100%. Some of the most old-fashioned thinking about men and women I've ever heard has come out of the mouths of teh gheys.

meow85 said:

I could probably get a few rnb heads onto their first album. Despite the same label, its quite different to their more famous stuff. Some of it is just normal rnb, and not the Max Martin/ Dennis PoP juggernaut of later albums. They still get a few cuts, including "we've got it goin' on", which is still kinda fun, but not as polished as "everybody" "i want it that way" etc...

Timmy84 said:

Not me. I suspect there is TONS of gay representation in harder music genres -- both performers and fans -- than many would suppose. All that testosterone is tough to slough off.

Show me 10 young, gay fans of, say, Josh Groban; I'll show you 1000 young, gay fans of Trent Reznor.

thesexofit said:

Is Maurice Starr the guy responsible for the Spice Girls, or am I thinking of someone else?

Max and Denniz were indeed Swedish. Which does explain the lyrical oddness of songs like I Want It That Way. Max has been rumoured to be working with the Boys for their next studio release, which they've been threatening to call "Holy Shit, We Really Are Back Again!" I doubt they'll do it though. That what they said they were going to call their last disc.


R.I.P. Denniz.

meow85 said:

I was only joking with this. I just suspect the plight of an embattled young woman may feel more personally familiar to a young, gay man than that of some straight jock type whining about some girl who dissed him.

Lammastide said:

Then that's alright then. I know there's lots that would rather listen to Trent Reznor than Josh Groban any day and I do believe they exist, lol.