Gay men are like bisexual men who are like straight men...they breathe the same (though our sexual hormones are different ). We are all diverse. Gay men don't just like dance music or house music or trance, there's some gay men who don't even like to hear standards or hate Madonna or don't understand the fuss with Judy Garland, there's some gay men who rather be manly than effeminate, there's gay "thugs", lol, gay men like hip-hop, rock, blues, soul, jazz, etc. I can go down the line. Just because you're black, white, come from the country, the city, or you're a certain sexual orientation doesn't mean you can box people in or determine their sexuality to see what they like. It's like saying black folks like hip-hop or R&B only. I'm just saying...
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VoicesCarry said:

Prove me wrong then. I've been interacting with other queer people my age since I was 12, and have known queer people my life. It's something about that particular demographic that chooses this music, and I'm asking why. I know it's not true for everyone. I made a point of saying it's not true for everyone. But in my experience, it's true more often than it isn't. So there has to be a reason for it.
I actually wasn't talking strictly about what folks want to listen to when they go out clubbing. I'm also referring to just sitting at home chilling or driving or whatever.
And they're hardly the only ones that do that, either. I'd also argue that a performer need not directly address a gay publication or the gay market to be worthy of a listen. As long as the act isn't overtly or coverty anti-gay, that should be good enough.
You yourself said that taste in music was an unwarranted stereotype. So why, if I want to go out clubbing and NOT hear an abundance of music from said performers, do I have to go to a straight club or an alternative club?
Perhaps it's just this part of the country. Perhaps it's just the people I know. But I can think of damn few women and girls -gay, straight, bi, or otherwise -who would choose to listen to the same music their gay brethren are embracing. What I want to know is why.


It may be a stereotype, but I've seen very little that would prove it otherwise.
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ehuffnsd said:

I'm pretty sure those things are relatable to everyone. So why would gay men specifically grow attached to this style?

VoicesCarry said:

What term would you prefer I use to refer to something that occurs in large numbers among a particular group?

You can disagree all you want. But I don't think I'm being unreasonable in asking you to back it up.

meow85 said:

because you are being combatitve and dense. i'll try again

i work in an office of nothing but gay men... we can't answer this question and our job is to market to the gay community

clearly if we as professionals and gay men of all ages cannot come up with this answer no on this board can as well.

either accept it is the way that is or get out of the community.

VoicesCarry said:

I'm not denying that it's a stereotype. I'm asking why so many young men conform to this stereotype.

Timmy84 said:

I should just ask to have this thread deleted, since apparently none of you bothered to actually read my post.

I didn't say this is true of all gay men. I didn't even say it was true of all young gay men. But damn, if it doesn't happen a lot. Or should I ignore what I've seen and heard with my own two eyes and ears?

meow85 said:

because you are being combatitve and dense. i'll try again

i work in an office of nothing but gay men... we can't answer this question and our job is to market to the gay community

clearly if we as professionals and gay men of all ages cannot come up with this answer no on this board can as well.

either accept it is the way that is or get out of the community.

meow85 said:

Prove you wrong? That is really facetious, as how am I supposed to introduce you to the hundreds of thousands of gay men whose taste in music is not defined by the pulsating beats of Britney Spears? You have already made up your mind about this and now you are asking for the reasons. I'm simply saying I disagree with your premise, and I do find it insulting.



The gays alone are not giving Rihanna, Britney and Lady GaGa #1 hits. A lot of other people are buying and requesting these records. Even if you can't think of them or don't know them, they are there.



I think that's very unfortunate.

ehuffnsd said:

I'm being combative because I've been accused of engaging in stereotyping when I say something I know damn well is common as all get out, is. Do I get my queer card revoked for asking why?

meow85 said:

how many times does it take to get you to understand there is no answer to the question you ask.

ehuffnsd said:

Yep. Ain't life confusing? Besides, I was just expressing my own opinion. Not all gay men like music like "12-year-old girls do", lol. If the music's good, so the fuck what, dig? But yeah no one has the answer, meow. Sorry.
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meow85 said:

You want me to back it up? Ok, let me just pull out all the scientific studies that have been conducted on this subj-

Forreal, we're discussing opinion, nothing more. You say you've seen a lot to justify the stereotype, I say the stereotype is bullshit. If your exposure to the gay world is what you say it is, I would assume you'd run into more than circuit queens by now, but who knows?

VoicesCarry said:

So disagree. There's no law saying you can't. But shouldn'y your arguments address what I said, and not what I didn't?
That in itself is a sad commentary on 21st century culture. But did I say that it was only gay people supporting them? Nope. I asked why the support is there from the community. I suppose I could have expanded it and asked why anyone embraces this music, but I thought that too broad.



It really is. I wish I'd never seen anything that would have prompted me to ask in the first place. But I have, and so I did.

Timmy84 said:

i can't figure out why she can't get it... the only thing i can ask her is what was the reason given in the Dark Knight for the Joker being the way he is... because he just was that way.

however just can't accept sometimes things just are.

also she claims to have a ton of gay friends but only brings up a sterotype which makes me wonder...

i realize i live a very sterotypical gay life, however there are many aspects of my life that aren't.

I think alot of you are taken this thread way too seriously. I think Meow85 just wanted to know why the stereotype exists (and it does somewhat, so live with it).

meow85 said:

and you refuse to accpet the answer that is given.

it's just that way.

get it?

ehuffnsd said:

I'm sure there is an answer. Millions get spent on marketing these performers to particular demographics. Obviously, their handlers know there's money to be made off the gay market. And if there's money to be made off the gay market, there's a reason for that being true.

thesexofit said:

of course the sterotype exisits for a reason, however there is no answer to why it does.

it's not like there is a yearly convention that sets down the rules of sterotypes.

meow85 said:

i work in gay media.

if i knew the answer to this i'd be making millions

there is no answer.

thesexofit said:

There is truth to certain stereotypes, and this is one that holds truth. By no means did I say or imply that all young gay men like listening to this type of music. But obviously, there are enough that do that this stereotype would arise. If it's unwarranted, why are there sdo many real-life situations that are applicable, and if it is warranted, why are people getting so defensive about it?

meow85 said:

because you refuse to accept our answers.


why ask the question if you feel you know the answer no one else does?

thesexofit said:

I wouldn't say seriously but it's like "huh?" That's kinda like labeling but unless it was just a question, then I don't know how she thinks anyone would answer it, lol. There's no clear explanation about if gay people have the same taste or not, lol.
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thesexofit said:

Stereotypes are malicious, thesexofit. They exist to pigeonhole and label people and to make it easier to malign them, and they've been used throughout history for this purpose. I'm sorry, but when I am being stereotyped, yes, I am insulted.

VoicesCarry said:

I have. Hence the qualifying words, "some", "young", and "gay".

This particular behaviour does not seem to happen en masse with women of any sexual orientation.

It does not seem to happen en masse with those who have passed their twenties.

It does not seem to happen en masse to gay men within subcultures, or even everyone within the mainstream.


But it does happen with a fair amount of regularity among those young, mainstream, gay men.

All this I've already said numerous times, so why are you choosing to ignore that?

ehuffnsd said:

Nothing about human behaviour is ever "just that way".

ehuffnsd said:

I DON'T KNOW. That's why I'm asking. Maybe no one else does either. But that doesn't mean there isn't an answer.

VoicesCarry said:

Did I say I was talking about you? Check my numerous other responses about the qualifiers on my question. As far as I can tell, you're not part of the group I was asking about.

meow85 said:

yes it is.

sorry i'm going to go out on a limb and say i have alot more expereince in the ups and downs of the gay community... former escort & porn star, member of a Leather Club, Drag Queen, work for a gay media outlet and only live and operate in the gay sphere that i can tell you that there is no answer to this question and it is just that way.

if you don't like the answer please oh wise and most knowledgeable of gay life explain to me so i can take it back to the gay paper i work for that has existed for 20 years what we are doing wrong so we all can be living as millionaries?

englight me to why you think it is cause clearly my knowledge, and experience are minute and worthless compared to yours

VoicesCarry said:

Yes I know stereotpyes suck. But they will always exist so live with it LOL. Be insulted if you want, but you know Meow85 wasn't being "malicious" with her thread. She was merely debating a stereotype.