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Why do young gay men have the same taste in music... as 12 year old girls?
I really don't understand this phenomenon. I know that it's not true across the board, and I want to avoid making broad generalizations. One of my best friends has stellar taste in music that covers pretty much every genre, so I definitely know better than to say this applies to everyone. But why is it that it seems so common for younger (late teens and 20's) gay dudes to fall all over themselves for the same music their little sisters drool over? Why are acts like Britney, Rihanna, Lady GaGa, and Girlicious so popular with this demographic? It seems strange to me, especially when you consider these acts don't get anywhere near the same love from young straight women -their supposed target market -in the same age group. And don't get me wrong. I know full well there are plenty of young straight guys with questionable taste in music as well. Fiddy's unfortunate popularity attests to that. But a person doesn't need to look that far or that hard to find a young straight guy who knows who, say, Zeppelin is, for example, while this does not seem to be the case in the gay community. I'm really puzzled by this.  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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On the same subject, funny how boy bands in UK were sometimes targeted at girls and gay guys, whilst I didn't really ever see that happening with US boybands and how they market them? Popular british boy band Take that (early 90's) were deliberately camp to play up their gay image, but I did not see NKOTB or the backstreet boys doing that? Infact, NKOTB's image in the UK was alot more down to earth and "normal", then the squeaky clean image in the states, but thats something else....
Not saying USA is homophobic but maybe cant see the potential boy bands had. Back to your question, its quite obvious why are correlation between a 12 year old girls tastes and a gay guy (as you said, we are generalizing here), and thats that some girls at that age just want to dance and have fun and basically, hear a happy pop tune and little else. Its uncomplicated and inoffensive. Gay guys often dont like that alpha male postering/gangster image and just want to have a good time and dance. Similarities are maybe that some gay men also just like to dance to uncomplicated, uplifting, unthreatening, ott image and cheesy as hell pop music. Of course its not that cut and dry and as we said, its a huge stereotype. So... 12 year old girl: Cheesy, fun, dance to it, unthreatening, happy gay guy : Cheesy, unthreatening, uplifting, have a good time. Great, clean image Of course what I said was very basic, but a few similarities are there. | |
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I don't think young gay men have the same taste, lol. You'd be pleasantly surprised. I was checking out some old Supremes/Motown videos on YouTube and at least two of the posters, who were at least 15, were commenting on the videos like they were longtime fans of the Supremes, I was pleasantly shocked!  [Edited 12/17/08 17:24pm] | |
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You say you don't want to generalize, but you started with the thread title and you didn't stop until the last word of your post. Thankfully you don't seem to be homophobic, so I'll let it slide 
On to your question: 1. The music you reference is fun, flamboyant, danceable and is often performed by women who openly court the gay market and actually see gays as an asset to their careers. I know I certainly appreciate and respond to that. 2, This is the music that is played in gay clubs and at Pride, which are the typical settings straight people envision us in, particularly if they don't know any gays personally. Many gays don't have a plethora of choices when it comes to social gathering places, so bars and clubs become the one place where you CAN be yourself. And what's played there? Dance music, of course - generally the same stuff that's played at straight clubs. It's therefore easy to stereotype gays as only liking this music, but unless you're spending time with us at home, you really don't have a clue what we listen to. 3. I disagree that you will be hard pressed to find gays who know Zeppelin (or, in fact, have taste that extends beyond Britney and Madonna). Perhaps you simply haven't been exposed to them, but this forum alone is full of gays with incredibly broad tastes in music. In a nutshell I think you're investing in an unwarranted stereotype. [Edited 12/17/08 17:19pm] | |
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gay men of all ages tend to gravaite to certain things.
however there are just certain things that draw us in, in large numbers for some unknown reason. some say it's the tragic life of some stars, others it's the total package, or there could be a deeper spiritual meaning with gays in the past being priests and pristesses of the ancient Mother Goddess and the diva's representing that spritual calling today. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: gay men of all ages tend to gravaite to certain things.
however there are just certain things that draw us in, in large numbers for some unknown reason. some say it's the tragic life of some stars, others it's the total package, or there could be a deeper spiritual meaning with gays in the past being priests and pristesses of the ancient Mother Goddess and the diva's representing that spritual calling today. Yes, the tragic past LOL. Judy, Liza, even Britney now she's been through hell. Funny its always women though? No love for men who have been through hell like Jacko, Paul McCartney (well the whole Heather thing) etc... | |
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VoicesCarry said: You say you don't want to generalize, but you started with the thread title and you didn't stop until the last word of your post. Thankfully you don't seem to be homophobic, so I'll let it slide
On to your question: 1. The music you reference is fun, flamboyant, danceable and is often performed by women who openly court the gay market and actually see gays as an asset to their careers. I know I certainly appreciate and respond to that. 2, This is the music that is played in gay clubs and at Pride, which are the typical settings straight people envision us in, particularly if they don't know any gays personally. Many gays don't have a plethora of choices when it comes to social gathering places, so bars and clubs become the one place where you CAN be yourself. And what's played there? Dance music, of course - generally the same stuff that's played at straight clubs. It's therefore easy to stereotype gays as only liking this music, but unless you're spending time with us at home, you really don't have a clue what we listen to. 3. I disagree that you will be hard pressed to find gays who know Zeppelin (or, in fact, have taste that extends beyond Britney and Madonna). Perhaps you simply haven't been exposed to them, but this forum alone is full of gays with incredibly broad tastes in music. In a nutshell I think you're investing in an unwarranted stereotype. [Edited 12/17/08 17:19pm] Yeah its a general statement, i really hate the whole "putting people in a box" just because of what they look like or if they are gay,straight,black or white. The assumption that if someone is black they have to like rap, or if they are white they like rock only, and gay would be club music. Im straight and yet some of my favorite POP groups now are Girls Aloud and PCD which would be "classified" as having gay fans for the most part. I grew up a fan of british pop of the 80's, people like Bananarama,Sam Fox and then freestyle groups like Expose,Lisa Lisa,the Cover Girls. But at the same time i was into Stevie,Queen,Billy Joel,Elton,Bowie,the Stones etc, and then 80's bands like a-ha,REM,u2,Jovi, Richard Marx etc...so its really all about what gets you through your day musically, i think we all might be surprised if everyone here posted there music collection. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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thesexofit said: On the same subject, funny how boy bands in UK were sometimes targeted at girls and gay guys, whilst I didn't really ever see that happening with US boybands and how they market them? Popular british boy band Take that (early 90's) were deliberately camp to play up their gay image, but I did not see NKOTB or the backstreet boys doing that? Infact, NKOTB's image in the UK was alot more down to earth and "normal", then the squeaky clean image in the states, but thats something else....
Not saying USA is homophobic but maybe cant see the potential boy bands had. In terms of the U.S. market, boybands tended to broach their appeal to their gay demographic in a strange way. Traditionally it's a lot more subtle than the European and Asian approach is, but at the same time there was also an occasional leaning with the U.S. groups to pander to dirty old men, usually making use of the "baby" in each group. Obviously, Lou Pearlman's involvement with the American groups had a lot to do with that particular difference. In recent years the last men standing in the boyband crowd, AKA Backstreet Boys have been more openly gay friendly. And sometimes very obviously, deliberately homoerotic, God love 'em. 
Back to your question, its quite obvious why are correlation between a 12 year old girls tastes and a gay guy (as you said, we are generalizing here), and thats that some girls at that age just want to dance and have fun and basically, hear a happy pop tune and little else. Its uncomplicated and inoffensive. Gay guys often dont like that alpha male postering/gangster image and just want to have a good time and dance. Similarities are maybe that some gay men also just like to dance to uncomplicated, uplifting, unthreatening, ott image and cheesy as hell pop music. Of course its not that cut and dry and as we said, its a huge stereotype. So... 12 year old girl: Cheesy, fun, dance to it, unthreatening, happy gay guy : Cheesy, unthreatening, uplifting, have a good time. Great, clean image Of course what I said was very basic, but a few similarities are there. That could be the basis of it. But it seems to me there's a lot of ignorance in the mainstream aspect of young gay men in the community about anything to do with acts other than these poppy, dancey types of performers. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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VoicesCarry said: You say you don't want to generalize, but you started with the thread title and you didn't stop until the last word of your post. Thankfully you don't seem to be homophobic, so I'll let it slide
On to your question: 1. The music you reference is fun, flamboyant, danceable and is often performed by women who openly court the gay market and actually see gays as an asset to their careers. I know I certainly appreciate and respond to that. 2, This is the music that is played in gay clubs and at Pride, which are the typical settings straight people envision us in, particularly if they don't know any gays personally. Many gays don't have a plethora of choices when it comes to social gathering places, so bars and clubs become the one place where you CAN be yourself. And what's played there? Dance music, of course - generally the same stuff that's played at straight clubs. It's therefore easy to stereotype gays as only liking this music, but unless you're spending time with us at home, you really don't have a clue what we listen to. 3. I disagree that you will be hard pressed to find gays who know Zeppelin (or, in fact, have taste that extends beyond Britney and Madonna). Perhaps you simply haven't been exposed to them, but this forum alone is full of gays with incredibly broad tastes in music. In a nutshell I think you're investing in an unwarranted stereotype. [Edited 12/17/08 17:19pm] I'd say you're assuming a whole lot about my experience within the community. I'm bisexual. Most of my friends and aquaintances are gay men. I've definitely got more exposure than your average hetero who only sees the parade on TV once a year.
I made a point of saying I know it's not true of everyone, and even supplied an example. My questions for you: Why is this music seen as more fun than others? Why are performers like these seen as courting the gay market in a way other gay-friendly and gay-neutral performers are not? I've been to gay clubs all over this continent, and a respectable number in Europe as well. Why is this mostly what's being played at mainstream clubs, especially if the preference is, as you say, an unwarranted stereotype? (Alt. gay and gay-friendly clubs are another matter) Why are young gay men choosing music that many women of the same age, no matter their sexuality, wouldn't be caught dead listening to? Zeppelin was just an example. And I didn't say gay men on the whole only dig Madonna, I said that in terms of young gay men in the mainstream, the taste in music is pretty narrow. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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ehuffnsd said: gay men of all ages tend to gravaite to certain things.
however there are just certain things that draw us in, in large numbers for some unknown reason. some say it's the tragic life of some stars, others it's the total package, or there could be a deeper spiritual meaning with gays in the past being priests and pristesses of the ancient Mother Goddess and the diva's representing that spritual calling today. Plenty of stars have tragic lifes or go through distressing situations. But my question isn't about the performers themselves, but about the kind of music they play. This is music that most teenage girls give up on by the time they're 15 or so. Why is it attracting 20-something gay men? "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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lastdecember said: VoicesCarry said: You say you don't want to generalize, but you started with the thread title and you didn't stop until the last word of your post. Thankfully you don't seem to be homophobic, so I'll let it slide
On to your question: 1. The music you reference is fun, flamboyant, danceable and is often performed by women who openly court the gay market and actually see gays as an asset to their careers. I know I certainly appreciate and respond to that. 2, This is the music that is played in gay clubs and at Pride, which are the typical settings straight people envision us in, particularly if they don't know any gays personally. Many gays don't have a plethora of choices when it comes to social gathering places, so bars and clubs become the one place where you CAN be yourself. And what's played there? Dance music, of course - generally the same stuff that's played at straight clubs. It's therefore easy to stereotype gays as only liking this music, but unless you're spending time with us at home, you really don't have a clue what we listen to. 3. I disagree that you will be hard pressed to find gays who know Zeppelin (or, in fact, have taste that extends beyond Britney and Madonna). Perhaps you simply haven't been exposed to them, but this forum alone is full of gays with incredibly broad tastes in music. In a nutshell I think you're investing in an unwarranted stereotype. [Edited 12/17/08 17:19pm] Yeah its a general statement, i really hate the whole "putting people in a box" just because of what they look like or if they are gay,straight,black or white. The assumption that if someone is black they have to like rap, or if they are white they like rock only, and gay would be club music. Im straight and yet some of my favorite POP groups now are Girls Aloud and PCD which would be "classified" as having gay fans for the most part. I grew up a fan of british pop of the 80's, people like Bananarama,Sam Fox and then freestyle groups like Expose,Lisa Lisa,the Cover Girls. But at the same time i was into Stevie,Queen,Billy Joel,Elton,Bowie,the Stones etc, and then 80's bands like a-ha,REM,u2,Jovi, Richard Marx etc...so its really all about what gets you through your day musically, i think we all might be surprised if everyone here posted there music collection. Npo, it's not a general statement at all, considering I made a point of saying I know for fact that this isn't true for everyone. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: VoicesCarry said: You say you don't want to generalize, but you started with the thread title and you didn't stop until the last word of your post. Thankfully you don't seem to be homophobic, so I'll let it slide
On to your question: 1. The music you reference is fun, flamboyant, danceable and is often performed by women who openly court the gay market and actually see gays as an asset to their careers. I know I certainly appreciate and respond to that. 2, This is the music that is played in gay clubs and at Pride, which are the typical settings straight people envision us in, particularly if they don't know any gays personally. Many gays don't have a plethora of choices when it comes to social gathering places, so bars and clubs become the one place where you CAN be yourself. And what's played there? Dance music, of course - generally the same stuff that's played at straight clubs. It's therefore easy to stereotype gays as only liking this music, but unless you're spending time with us at home, you really don't have a clue what we listen to. 3. I disagree that you will be hard pressed to find gays who know Zeppelin (or, in fact, have taste that extends beyond Britney and Madonna). Perhaps you simply haven't been exposed to them, but this forum alone is full of gays with incredibly broad tastes in music. In a nutshell I think you're investing in an unwarranted stereotype. [Edited 12/17/08 17:19pm] I'd say you're assuming a whole lot about my experience within the community. I'm bisexual. Most of my friends and aquaintances are gay men. I've definitely got more exposure than your average hetero who only sees the parade on TV once a year.
I made a point of saying I know it's not true of everyone, and even supplied an example. My questions for you: Why is this music seen as more fun than others? Why are performers like these seen as courting the gay market in a way other gay-friendly and gay-neutral performers are not? I've been to gay clubs all over this continent, and a respectable number in Europe as well. Why is this mostly what's being played at mainstream clubs, especially if the preference is, as you say, an unwarranted stereotype? (Alt. gay and gay-friendly clubs are another matter) Why are young gay men choosing music that many women of the same age, no matter their sexuality, wouldn't be caught dead listening to? Zeppelin was just an example. And I didn't say gay men on the whole only dig Madonna, I said that in terms of young gay men in the mainstream, the taste in music is pretty narrow. the straight bars in San Diego do not play the same music as the gay bars do. hell the gay bars in Kansas City don't play the same thing they do here.. in fact they are a couple months behind. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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meow85 said: That could be the basis of it. But it seems to me there's a lot of ignorance in the mainstream aspect of young gay men in the community about anything to do with acts other than these poppy, dancey types of performers.
There's a lot of ignorance in mainstream society of the gay community period. You are defining us based on stereotypes promulgated by the mainstream. I'm sorry, I don't think that's right. | |
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meow85 said: ehuffnsd said: gay men of all ages tend to gravaite to certain things.
however there are just certain things that draw us in, in large numbers for some unknown reason. some say it's the tragic life of some stars, others it's the total package, or there could be a deeper spiritual meaning with gays in the past being priests and pristesses of the ancient Mother Goddess and the diva's representing that spritual calling today. Plenty of stars have tragic lifes or go through distressing situations. But my question isn't about the performers themselves, but about the kind of music they play. This is music that most teenage girls give up on by the time they're 15 or so. Why is it attracting 20-something gay men? what do you mean 20something? some of it's the whole community. it's fun, it's uplifting, it's over the top, it says things we can releate to. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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meow85 said: lastdecember said: Yeah its a general statement, i really hate the whole "putting people in a box" just because of what they look like or if they are gay,straight,black or white. The assumption that if someone is black they have to like rap, or if they are white they like rock only, and gay would be club music. Im straight and yet some of my favorite POP groups now are Girls Aloud and PCD which would be "classified" as having gay fans for the most part. I grew up a fan of british pop of the 80's, people like Bananarama,Sam Fox and then freestyle groups like Expose,Lisa Lisa,the Cover Girls. But at the same time i was into Stevie,Queen,Billy Joel,Elton,Bowie,the Stones etc, and then 80's bands like a-ha,REM,u2,Jovi, Richard Marx etc...so its really all about what gets you through your day musically, i think we all might be surprised if everyone here posted there music collection. Npo, it's not a general statement at all, considering I made a point of saying I know for fact that this isn't true for everyone. Making blanket statements about "young gay men" and using words like common means you are generalizing, even if you qualify it with a statement that you are sure it isn't true for everyone. That's still generalizing and stereotyping. | |
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VoicesCarry said: meow85 said: Npo, it's not a general statement at all, considering I made a point of saying I know for fact that this isn't true for everyone. Making blanket statements about "young gay men" and using words like common means you are generalizing, even if you qualify it with a statement that you are sure it isn't true for everyone. That's still generalizing and stereotyping. yup You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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I think its hypercritical and sad to assess that all gay man have sucky taste I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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VoicesCarry said: meow85 said: That could be the basis of it. But it seems to me there's a lot of ignorance in the mainstream aspect of young gay men in the community about anything to do with acts other than these poppy, dancey types of performers.
There's a lot of ignorance in mainstream society of the gay community period. You are defining us based on stereotypes promulgated by the mainstream. I'm sorry, I don't think that's right. I wasn't aware that asking a question about a segment of my own community based on years of observation was "defining us based on stereotypes promulgated by the mainstream". Christ, next thing you're going to tell me is that gay men don't have sex with other men. That's just a lie pushed by the media. After all, I've only seen it.  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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ehuffnsd said: meow85 said: I'd say you're assuming a whole lot about my experience within the community. I'm bisexual. Most of my friends and aquaintances are gay men. I've definitely got more exposure than your average hetero who only sees the parade on TV once a year.
I made a point of saying I know it's not true of everyone, and even supplied an example. My questions for you: Why is this music seen as more fun than others? Why are performers like these seen as courting the gay market in a way other gay-friendly and gay-neutral performers are not? I've been to gay clubs all over this continent, and a respectable number in Europe as well. Why is this mostly what's being played at mainstream clubs, especially if the preference is, as you say, an unwarranted stereotype? (Alt. gay and gay-friendly clubs are another matter) Why are young gay men choosing music that many women of the same age, no matter their sexuality, wouldn't be caught dead listening to? Zeppelin was just an example. And I didn't say gay men on the whole only dig Madonna, I said that in terms of young gay men in the mainstream, the taste in music is pretty narrow. the straight bars in San Diego do not play the same music as the gay bars do. hell the gay bars in Kansas City don't play the same thing they do here.. in fact they are a couple months behind. I'm well aware that straight bars and gay bars don't play the same music. I'm also, believe it or not, aware that certain areas of both Canada and the U.S. tend to be a few months behind in pop-culture. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: ehuffnsd said: the straight bars in San Diego do not play the same music as the gay bars do. hell the gay bars in Kansas City don't play the same thing they do here.. in fact they are a couple months behind. I'm well aware that straight bars and gay bars don't play the same music. I'm also, believe it or not, aware that certain areas of both Canada and the U.S. tend to be a few months behind in pop-culture. honestly there is no answer to the question you are seeking. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: meow85 said: Plenty of stars have tragic lifes or go through distressing situations. But my question isn't about the performers themselves, but about the kind of music they play. This is music that most teenage girls give up on by the time they're 15 or so. Why is it attracting 20-something gay men? what do you mean 20something? some of it's the whole community. it's fun, it's uplifting, it's over the top, it says things we can releate to. 20-something; as in, from the ages of 20-29, approximately. What's relatable about a dance track? Colour me confused, but I always thought the point of a dance track was to make people dance, not to make them think deeply. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: I'd say you're assuming a whole lot about my experience within the community. I'm bisexual. Most of my friends and aquaintances are gay men. I've definitely got more exposure than your average hetero who only sees the parade on TV once a year.
I was not speaking about you, I was speaking about straight people in general. I made a point of saying I know it's not true of everyone, and even supplied an example. That is nice and all, but qualifying your generalizing with a caution that you know it doesn't apply to everyone doesn't make it anything but a generalization with a footnote. My questions for you: Why is this music seen as more fun than others?
This applies to anyone.. Are people supposed to listen to PJ Harvey in the club? There's music you shake your ass to and music for thought, and they don't always go together in the same environment. Why are performers like these seen as courting the gay market in a way other gay-friendly and gay-neutral performers are not?
Because they do actively court the market? If Lady GaGa does interviews with gay magazines and talks about how much she appreciates her gay fans, what else do you think she is doing? I've been to gay clubs all over this continent, and a respectable number in Europe as well. Why is this mostly what's being played at mainstream clubs, especially if the preference is, as you say, an unwarranted stereotype? (Alt. gay and gay-friendly clubs are another matter)
Because it's dance music and gay people like to dance, too. Why are young gay men choosing music that many women of the same age, no matter their sexuality, wouldn't be caught dead listening to?
Sorry, but it doesn't strike me that straight women 18-25 are appalled at the prospect of listening to Rihanna, Britney or Lady GaGa. Zeppelin was just an example. And I didn't say gay men on the whole only dig Madonna, I said that in terms of young gay men in the mainstream, the taste in music is pretty narrow.
But it's not. That's my *point*. I'm 23, my friends are all around the same age. We do not have narrow tastes in music. I'm sorry you think that way, but again, you are just following a stereotype. | |
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meow85 said: ehuffnsd said: what do you mean 20something? some of it's the whole community. it's fun, it's uplifting, it's over the top, it says things we can releate to. 20-something; as in, from the ages of 20-29, approximately. What's relatable about a dance track? Colour me confused, but I always thought the point of a dance track was to make people dance, not to make them think deeply. dance tracks are about... love sex dancing what do gay men like to do have the enteral quest for the one have sex go dancing see that's relateable to a gay man's life. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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VoicesCarry said: meow85 said: Npo, it's not a general statement at all, considering I made a point of saying I know for fact that this isn't true for everyone. Making blanket statements about "young gay men" and using words like common means you are generalizing, even if you qualify it with a statement that you are sure it isn't true for everyone. That's still generalizing and stereotyping. Common, based on my experience and observation. How else should I word it? Is there a synonym for "common" that you would prefer? I already qualified the use of the term by saying "some" instead of "all", and referencing this being a mainstream behaviour and not something regularly seen in subcultures. But from what I've seen, this is more often than not. Convenient that you choose to attack my appropriate use of a word rather than answer or address my question or premise. If you disagree, that's cool. Just back it up instead of yelling about how I'm indulging in stereotypes. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: I think its hypercritical and sad to assess that all gay man have sucky taste
And what about failing to accurately read a post before you criticise it? I never said all gay men. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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ehuffnsd said: meow85 said: I'm well aware that straight bars and gay bars don't play the same music. I'm also, believe it or not, aware that certain areas of both Canada and the U.S. tend to be a few months behind in pop-culture. honestly there is no answer to the question you are seeking. There's a marketing question to everything. All I'm asking is about demographics. Why would a certain style or genre of music appeal to a certain group? "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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I own one of the the more obscure gay as hell albums if that helps anyone
Even I knew this album is gay as hell in places, but I really love some of it. Looking up the cover, I found its endorsed by a gay music site. I knew it! http://www.queermusicheri...n2005.html Some of it screams chippendales. [Edited 12/17/08 18:09pm] | |
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meow85 said: ehuffnsd said: honestly there is no answer to the question you are seeking. There's a marketing question to everything. All I'm asking is about demographics. Why would a certain style or genre of music appeal to a certain group? once again there is no answer for it. my office has debated this question for as long as i've worked there. 12 gay men ages from 24-56 and we can't even come to a common answer. yes we tend to like some of the same things but we also have stuff the others don't listen to. there is no answer to this question. sorry. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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meow85 said: VoicesCarry said: Making blanket statements about "young gay men" and using words like common means you are generalizing, even if you qualify it with a statement that you are sure it isn't true for everyone. That's still generalizing and stereotyping. Common, based on my experience and observation. How else should I word it? Is there a synonym for "common" that you would prefer? I already qualified the use of the term by saying "some" instead of "all", and referencing this being a mainstream behaviour and not something regularly seen in subcultures. But from what I've seen, this is more often than not. Convenient that you choose to attack my appropriate use of a word rather than answer or address my question or premise. If you disagree, that's cool. Just back it up instead of yelling about how I'm indulging in stereotypes. You are indulging in stereotypes. If you wish to make your point based on a stereotype, why is it suddenly criminal for me to point out that I think it's incorrect? As for disagreeing, I certainly do. I'm gay, my friends are gay, and we do not have narrow tastes in music. Thanks. P.S. Posting in complete, sane sentences is not "yelling". It is discussing. | |
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meow85 said: VoicesCarry said: There's a lot of ignorance in mainstream society of the gay community period. You are defining us based on stereotypes promulgated by the mainstream. I'm sorry, I don't think that's right. I wasn't aware that asking a question about a segment of my own community based on years of observation was "defining us based on stereotypes promulgated by the mainstream". Christ, next thing you're going to tell me is that gay men don't have sex with other men. That's just a lie pushed by the media. After all, I've only seen it. Gays liking nothing but house, dance and trance *is* a mainstream stereotype of us. Just like gays being slutty, gays being effeminate.....take your pick. | |
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