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No disrespect to the dead... But she did... People need to stop over-exagerrating the abilities of dead artist... I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: She sucked...
No disrespect to the dead... But she did... People need to stop over-exagerrating the abilities of dead artist... Your opinion isn't fact. | |
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though I did love her, I preferred brandy and monica over her so much more, and I'm not gonna lie, I didn't like her album much, but then it grew on me and now I think it's fab. One In a Million and the singles off Dr. Doolittle and Romeo Must Die were her best work. | |
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purplesweat said: EmbattledWarrior said: She sucked...
No disrespect to the dead... But she did... People need to stop over-exagerrating the abilities of dead artist... Your opinion isn't fact. don't be self righteous about an artist like Aaliyah, She released the same type of bubble gum swill thats festering R&B pop music now... The only reason it was even half decent was because it was half produced by R.Kelly, One in a million was produced by a legion of budding producers, who where good then but suck now Timbaland, Missy Eliot, Jermaine Dupri, Rodyney Jerkins etc... And it wasn't like Aaliyah was that strong of a singer... She Wasn't She was just a hott peice of tail for the industry to make money off of. Once again no disrespect to the death... RIP... I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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ehuffnsd said: Aaliyah could have been a bigger actress
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EmbattledWarrior said: purplesweat said: Your opinion isn't fact. don't be self righteous about an artist like Aaliyah, She released the same type of bubble gum swill thats festering R&B pop music now... The only reason it was even half decent was because it was half produced by R.Kelly, One in a million was produced by a legion of budding producers, who where good then but suck now Timbaland, Missy Eliot, Jermaine Dupri, Rodyney Jerkins etc... And it wasn't like Aaliyah was that strong of a singer... She Wasn't She was just a hott peice of tail for the industry to make money off of. Once again no disrespect to the death... RIP... Your opinion isn't fact. | |
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purplesweat said: EmbattledWarrior said: don't be self righteous about an artist like Aaliyah, She released the same type of bubble gum swill thats festering R&B pop music now... The only reason it was even half decent was because it was half produced by R.Kelly, One in a million was produced by a legion of budding producers, who where good then but suck now Timbaland, Missy Eliot, Jermaine Dupri, Rodyney Jerkins etc... And it wasn't like Aaliyah was that strong of a singer... She Wasn't She was just a hott peice of tail for the industry to make money off of. Once again no disrespect to the death... RIP... Your opinion isn't fact. Sho iz sum Truf den, I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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I love Aaliyah and have been a fan since her debut, but she would have never been bigger than Beyonce. Beyonce is something that could not have been stopped lol. She was going to get to where she is today no matter who was around. I really do think that since Aaliyah died, people have really made her out to be greater than she was, sorry to say but Aaliyah was not an exceptional talent. She had a nice voice, was a good dancer and had her own style but lets be realistic here. Her voice was only slightly above average and she was not a good performer at all. Aaliyah never wrote a song either, she was basically a producer driven artist. The reality here is that she didn't gain mainstream success until "Are You That Somebody" and afterwards "Try Again". Those were her two big crossover hits, but there is no way that I think she would have crossed over the way Beyonce has, so I have to say no. Beyonce is just more in your face and than Aaliyah ever was. Aaliyah was a much better acteress than Beyonce is though. [Edited 12/24/08 7:58am] "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ 
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Another Pampers vs. Huggies thread. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Another Pampers vs. Huggies thread.
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Graycap23 said: No. Her vocals were weak at best. Acting? Maybe.
Beyonce's vocals used to be weak too ... I remember when DC first started and they were singing live. I was like ...chick, please. But she got her voice trained and now it's amazing. She can handle her vocals so well that she can do anything with them. So, it's conceivable Aaliyah could have trained her voice to be more powerful. | |
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No, I don't think she would have been BIGGER than BEYONCE and Beyonce has JIGGER...But AaLIYAH was COOL in her own right. | |
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Aaliyah singing "At Your Best" acapella.
http://www.dailymotion.co...best_music Beyonce can definitely sing, but her live performance mp3's are horrible. I don't think she would pull off a live album well. Studiotraffic-One of the fastest ways to get payed on the net! | |
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Beyonce had no competion when she came out only two were Britney and Christina. Janet was getting old so people hop on the beyonce bandwagon but I'll say this if every artist started being there own person this beface wouldn't be big trust.
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vainandy said: Another Pampers vs. Huggies thread.
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vainandy said: Another Pampers vs. Huggies thread.
 What's worse is these people are technically not babies, but still seem to be hung up on their younger years. Let's start an A Team versus He-Man thread.“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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No one who disses contemporary non-entities in one sentence and praises Aaliyah in another has any credibility. Not only was she a weak live singer, but even worse, she had NO STAGE PRESENCE AT ALL! I remember seeing her on TOTP doing Try Again in 2000 and there was just absolutely no life in her eyes. No expression. She was like a dancing mannequin. Even Janet WACKson, (who Aaliyah was styled on) has some kind of expression when she performs, but not Aaliyah.
Her success made it more clear than ever how teams were more important than artists. She was a piece of clay that other people molded. Her blankness also meant that some in her audience projected things onto her that weren't really there. She wasn't classy, she was boring. She wasn't mysterious, she was empty. Also, her relative popularity confirms what researchers have proven over and over again which is this..... Beautiful people are judged more favourably than others, even if they do a worse job. Take away her beauty and her connections (she was signed by her uncle and given her first hit by her fiance, R. Kelly) and she would never have had a career in music. And finally, her acting was as lifeless as everything else. As an actress she was on the same level as Beyonce. In every other department Beyonce dwarfs her. You guys are over-romanticising Aaliyah. No doubt if Paula Abdul had died in 1991, we'd be seeing similar dewy-eyed nonsense about her. [Edited 1/23/09 5:00am] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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No,I don't think she'd be bigger than Beyonce. | |
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midnightmover said: No one who disses contemporary non-entities in one sentence and praises Aaliyah in another has any credibility. Not only was she a weak live singer, but even worse, she had NO STAGE PRESENCE AT ALL! I remember seeing her on TOTP doing Try Again in 2000 and there was just absolutely no life in her eyes. No expression. She was like a dancing mannequin. Even Janet WACKson, (who Aaliyah was styled on) has some kind of expression when she performs, but not Aaliyah.
Her success made it more clear than ever how teams were more important than artists. She was a piece of clay that other people molded. Her blankness also meant that some in her audience projected things onto her that weren't really there. She wasn't classy, she was boring. She wasn't mysterious, she was empty. Also, her relative popularity confirms what researchers have proven over and over again which is this..... Beautiful people are judged more favourably than others, even if they do a worse job. Take away her beauty and her connections (she was signed by her uncle and given her first hit by her fiance, R. Kelly) and she would never have had a career in music. And finally, her acting was as lifeless as everything else. As an actress she was on the same level as Beyonce. In every other department Beyonce dwarfs her. You guys are over-romanticising Aaliyah. No doubt if Paula Abdul had died in 1991, we'd be seeing similar dewy-eyed nonsense about her. [Edited 1/23/09 5:00am] http://www.youtube.com/wa...jz4CcQ4rOI she sure is moving a lot for someone with no stage presence. Aaliyah switched teams with every album. She had success and hits with her first, hits with her 2nd, and hits with her third album. On each of those hits she worked with someone different, so how is it that her teams molded her? If anything, she was smart for giving "unknnowns" like Tim and Missy(at the time) a chance and letting them all come with something creative and original. Aaliyah was empty?? Are you serious? Listen to Jada talk about her and watch Aaliyahs expressions as she interacts with that actor at the beginning of this video. How can an empty person be so expressive? http://www.youtube.com/wa...Q66A0khi9A And here are a few of her scenes from Queen of the Damned. This was only her 2nd movie btw. http://www.youtube.com/wa...lVlq6fsDUk another thing is that your argument is a bit flawed cause Aaliyah was 22 at her passing. Beyonce will be 28 this year. For Aaliyah to have passed so young, and achieved all that she had, says a lot. Studiotraffic-One of the fastest ways to get payed on the net! | |
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I can't believe this thread is still alive.
The answer is no and I like it that way. If Aaliyah were bigger than Beyonce that means she would be everywhere and getting on my f*cking nerves and I wouldn't want that. It's okay to not be the biggest star in the world. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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Another thing on the empty comment. Aaliyah was shy and reserved. Her confidence and beauty lied moreso within...although she was gorgeous. She wasn't overtly anything, which caused the aura of mystery that surrounded her...but please don't make the mistake and think she was empty because of her shyness. She had a huge personality, and everytime I saw her speak I was happy that she opened up and showed more of it. Her fans were appreciative of every layer she peeled. I remember all of my cousins sitting at the TV *shocked* because she had on a skirt and heels in the "Are You That Somebody" video. With a person like her, you appreciated the small things....which were always there, but hidden.
I could always relate to Aaliyah. Her style and approach was that of a flower that started to blossom in music and film. Beyonce is more of a opened shell, on stage, that starts to close in interviews and film. Studiotraffic-One of the fastest ways to get payed on the net! | |
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bboy87 said: 
She showed more potential in the 7 years of her career than Beyonce has in her entire career Great post^ | |
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dragondayz said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijz4CcQ4rOI
she sure is moving a lot for someone with no stage presence. The dancers are doing all the work in that performance and Aaliyah is running around a lot as instructed. Her voice there is so weak that she might as well not even bother with the microphone. And how telling that you chose such a poorly filmed clip to illustrate your point. Obviously a well filmed clip would show those dead eyes too clearly. Aaliyah switched teams with every album. She had success and hits with her first, hits with her 2nd, and hits with her third album. On each of those hits she worked with someone different, so how is it that her teams molded her? If anything, she was smart for giving "unknnowns" like Tim and Missy(at the time) a chance and letting them all come with something creative and original.
This is so obtuse and naive it doesn't even merit a response. Try thinking a bit more. It's not that hard. Aaliyah was empty?? Are you serious? Listen to Jada talk about her and watch Aaliyahs expressions as she interacts with that actor at the beginning of this video. How can an empty person be so expressive?
http://www.youtube.com/wa...Q66A0khi9A Right, someone heaps praise on her and you see her looking happy on a film set and that somehow proves she's not empty. Okaaaaayyy. Aaliyah was 22 at her passing. For Aaliyah to have passed so young, and achieved all that she had, says a lot.
Yes, it sure does. It says life is a lot easier when you have friends in high places (Gladys Knight is her aunt) and you're sleeping with an influential pervert (R. Kelly). “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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dragondayz said: Another thing on the empty comment. Aaliyah was shy and reserved. Her confidence and beauty lied moreso within...although she was gorgeous. She wasn't overtly anything, which caused the aura of mystery that surrounded her...but please don't make the mistake and think she was empty because of her shyness. She had a huge personality, and everytime I saw her speak I was happy that she opened up and showed more of it. Her fans were appreciative of every layer she peeled. I remember all of my cousins sitting at the TV *shocked* because she had on a skirt and heels in the "Are You That Somebody" video. With a person like her, you appreciated the small things....which were always there, but hidden.
I could always relate to Aaliyah. Her style and approach was that of a flower that started to blossom in music and film. Beyonce is more of a opened shell, on stage, that starts to close in interviews and film. I think that's what her real fans notice more than casual fans or even haters. There was another side to Aaliyah and she was just really beginning to come into her self in a greater way when she died. Sorta coming out of her shell. Yes, she was attractive but she was also smart, thoughtful, articulate, and compassionate among other things. She had the potential to be more than just a chic singing some R&B songs. That is what made her exciting to many of us. We knew there was more and we looked forward to seeing her mature and grow in whatever direction she took. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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JackieBlue said: dragondayz said: Another thing on the empty comment. Aaliyah was shy and reserved. Her confidence and beauty lied moreso within...although she was gorgeous. She wasn't overtly anything, which caused the aura of mystery that surrounded her...but please don't make the mistake and think she was empty because of her shyness. She had a huge personality, and everytime I saw her speak I was happy that she opened up and showed more of it. Her fans were appreciative of every layer she peeled. I remember all of my cousins sitting at the TV *shocked* because she had on a skirt and heels in the "Are You That Somebody" video. With a person like her, you appreciated the small things....which were always there, but hidden.
I could always relate to Aaliyah. Her style and approach was that of a flower that started to blossom in music and film. Beyonce is more of a opened shell, on stage, that starts to close in interviews and film. I think that's what her real fans notice more than casual fans or even haters. There was another side to Aaliyah and she was just really beginning to come into her self in a greater way when she died. Sorta coming out of her shell. Yes, she was attractive but she was also smart, thoughtful, articulate, and compassionate among other things. She had the potential to be more than just a chic singing some R&B songs. That is what made her exciting to many of us. We knew there was more and we looked forward to seeing her mature and grow in whatever direction she took. Exactly! Studiotraffic-One of the fastest ways to get payed on the net! | |
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midnightmover said: dragondayz said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijz4CcQ4rOI
she sure is moving a lot for someone with no stage presence. The dancers are doing all the work in that performance and Aaliyah is running around a lot as instructed. Her voice there is so weak that she might as well not even bother with the microphone. And how telling that you chose such a poorly filmed clip to illustrate your point. Obviously a well filmed clip would show those dead eyes too clearly. Right, someone heaps praise on her and you see her looking happy on a film set and that somehow proves she's not empty. Okaaaaayyy. Aaliyah was 22 at her passing. For Aaliyah to have passed so young, and achieved all that she had, says a lot.
Yes, it sure does. It says life is a lot easier when you have friends in high places (Gladys Knight is her aunt) and you're sleeping with an influential pervert (R. Kelly). Well I tried, I'm not going to go back and forth with a person who's mind is already made about Aaliyah. Gotta respect all opinions.  Studiotraffic-One of the fastest ways to get payed on the net! | |
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I dont know cause Beyonce and Aaliyah are in to different categorys, meaning their musical styles are different. But Ciara on the other hand... | |
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JackieBlue said: dragondayz said: Another thing on the empty comment. Aaliyah was shy and reserved. Her confidence and beauty lied moreso within...although she was gorgeous. She wasn't overtly anything, which caused the aura of mystery that surrounded her...but please don't make the mistake and think she was empty because of her shyness. She had a huge personality, and everytime I saw her speak I was happy that she opened up and showed more of it. Her fans were appreciative of every layer she peeled. I remember all of my cousins sitting at the TV *shocked* because she had on a skirt and heels in the "Are You That Somebody" video. With a person like her, you appreciated the small things....which were always there, but hidden.
I could always relate to Aaliyah. Her style and approach was that of a flower that started to blossom in music and film. Beyonce is more of a opened shell, on stage, that starts to close in interviews and film. I think that's what her real fans notice more than casual fans or even haters. There was another side to Aaliyah and she was just really beginning to come into her self in a greater way when she died. Sorta coming out of her shell. Yes, she was attractive but she was also smart, thoughtful, articulate, and compassionate among other things. She had the potential to be more than just a chic singing some R&B songs. That is what made her exciting to many of us. We knew there was more and we looked forward to seeing her mature and grow in whatever direction she took. The fact that you called her articulate and compassionate further confirms what science has proved a million times. People ascribe positive qualities to beautiful people that they don't really have. Juries for instance are more likely to see a beautiful witness or defendant as being "honest" than they will an average looking one. How was Aaliyah any more "articulate" or "thoughtful" than Brandy? How do you know she was "compassionate"? These are all projections on your part based on her looks and her shyness (which was merely a symptom of how undeveloped and young she was). This cult of personality is similar to the Princess Diana cult. It's all very wishy-washy and touchy-feely because ultimately it's based around blankness and glamour, not talent. And of course the early death means you will not have your self made illusions shattered. If Whitney had died young then everyone would still be saying how "classy" and "principled" she was, and we know how wrong that view was, don't we? “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: JackieBlue said: I think that's what her real fans notice more than casual fans or even haters. There was another side to Aaliyah and she was just really beginning to come into her self in a greater way when she died. Sorta coming out of her shell. Yes, she was attractive but she was also smart, thoughtful, articulate, and compassionate among other things. She had the potential to be more than just a chic singing some R&B songs. That is what made her exciting to many of us. We knew there was more and we looked forward to seeing her mature and grow in whatever direction she took. The fact that you called her articulate and compassionate further confirms what science has proved a million times. People ascribe positive qualities to beautiful people that they don't really have. Juries for instance are more likely to see a beautiful witness or defendant as being "honest" than they will an average looking one. How was Aaliyah any more "articulate" or "thoughtful" than Brandy? How do you know she was "compassionate"? These are all projections on your part based on her looks and her shyness (which was merely a symptom of how undeveloped and young she was). This cult of personality is similar to the Princess Diana cult. It's all very wishy-washy and touchy-feely because ultimately it's based around blankness and glamour, not talent. And of course the early death means you will not have your self made illusions shattered. If Whitney had died young then everyone would still be saying how "classy" and "principled" she was, and we know how wrong that view was, don't we? 
You respond to my post as if you know me. I called her articulate and compassionate because I've seen her in interviews, read articles on her, watched footage on her and had a friend who worked with her brother Rashad who had great stories to tell of she and her brother. Her looks are what non-fans seem to constantly bring up when they're espousing on why she wasn't worth the bit of attention she got. Just check up thread. Her appearance is obvious. The other aspects not so much which is why I pointed them out. I never stated that Aaliyah was more or less articulate and thoughtful than Brandy or anybody esle for that matter. I stuck with Aaliyah. Not sure why you introduced Brandy. I'm well aware that there is a biased toward people who are deemed attractive or beautiful. I think Beyonce is attractive as well, but do not find her articulate. Is she compassionate and thoughtful? She could be but I don't know but I'd say she's ambitious and a hard worker from what I've seen, read, and watched. I don't just go throwing out random traits without having a clue and I don't think looks makes a person infallible. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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