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MADONNA officially most overrated celebrity.
Her music isn't good IMO, but its more than her music its what she is doing on her days off. |
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TotalAlisa said: MADONNA officially most overrated celebrity.
Her music isn't good IMO, but its more than her music its what she is doing on her days off. i agree! | |
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It is watered down enough that the change isn't jarring. | |
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Madogga is a trend-chasing whore with near-zero musical integrity.
Michael was and always will be first and foremost a soul singer. If he made music like Madogga does, i would fucking die inside. |
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TotalAlisa said: MADONNA officially most overrated celebrity.
Her music isn't good IMO, but its more than her music its what she is doing on her days off. Bingo. | |
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Because she is not an Artist but a product and any good advert specialist will tell you that what creates the buzz or interest is not the content but the package that needs to change now and again. | |
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kanamit said: Because she is not an Artist but a product and any good advert specialist will tell you that what creates the buzz or interest is not the content but the package that needs to change now and again.
I disagree. Her music HAS quality. Still today they play songs like Holiday, Vogue or Like A Prayer on the radio. Long after the burning crosses video... | |
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graecophilos said: kanamit said: Because she is not an Artist but a product and any good advert specialist will tell you that what creates the buzz or interest is not the content but the package that needs to change now and again.
I disagree. Her music HAS quality. Still today they play songs like Holiday, Vogue or Like A Prayer on the radio. Long after the burning crosses video... that was her OLD MUSIC from the 80s. |
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TotalAlisa said: graecophilos said: I disagree. Her music HAS quality. Still today they play songs like Holiday, Vogue or Like A Prayer on the radio. Long after the burning crosses video... that was her OLD MUSIC from the 80s. But as is the case for most artists that came out of the 80s, is it not? Madonna has quite a catalog and there's definitely quality in there (as well as fluff). I wonder if her critics would be more open to some of her better songs if they were performed by someone else. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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JackieBlue said: TotalAlisa said: that was her OLD MUSIC from the 80s. But as is the case for most artists that came out of the 80s, is it not? Madonna has quite a catalog and there's definitely quality in there (as well as fluff). I wonder if her critics would be more open to some of her better songs if they were performed by someone else. Why did that person ONLY mention stuff from the 80s????? madonna does NOT have a strong catalogue IMO. And her videos arent that great. |
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TotalAlisa said: JackieBlue said: But as is the case for most artists that came out of the 80s, is it not? Madonna has quite a catalog and there's definitely quality in there (as well as fluff). I wonder if her critics would be more open to some of her better songs if they were performed by someone else. Why did that person ONLY mention stuff from the 80s????? madonna does NOT have a strong catalogue IMO. And her videos arent that great. okay, I think she has one of the very best catalogues. I agree, she had most of her hits in the 80s. on the other hand I think her albums became better in the 90s and 00s. Btw, personally I prefer some of her newer songs like Ray Of Light, Music, Don't Tell Me, Hung Up, Get Together, Jump, Heartbeat, Beat Goes On, Miles Away | |
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JackieBlue said: TotalAlisa said: that was her OLD MUSIC from the 80s. But as is the case for most artists that came out of the 80s, is it not? Madonna has quite a catalog and there's definitely quality in there (as well as fluff). I wonder if her critics would be more open to some of her better songs if they were performed by someone else. I doubt very much at the idea of hearing a cover of True Blue, la isla bonita or Vogue by another artist. Bottomline is she is not an artist, she can market herself very well, can sense what generates good publicity and money. This is nothing new among singers, ''artists'' and nowadays people tend to use that very often to hide a lack of creativity or talent. Such guilty ones among other are Britney(and all the popish puppets like her),MJ, Beyonce and co. and to a point Prince(even though he is in a league of his own) Quite frankly this is not an attack on her or her fans but i'm pretty sure this how History will remember her, nothing more, nothing less. | |
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JackieBlue said: TotalAlisa said: that was her OLD MUSIC from the 80s. But as is the case for most artists that came out of the 80s, is it not? Madonna has quite a catalog and there's definitely quality in there (as well as fluff). I wonder if her critics would be more open to some of her better songs if they were performed by someone else. if madonna's main focus wasn't dance music she would be held in higher esteem than she is. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
authentic power is service- Pope Francis | |
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BTW, so you can see she gained a new success with ROL. On the other hand MJ and GM became old fashioned in 1998.
What I want you to ask is, is Madonna in favor because she's a girl? She can change costumes and hairdos more often than men? Also I still don't think the audience would have let MJ made a ROL kind of album. That's something I still don't get... | |
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TotalAlisa said: JackieBlue said: But as is the case for most artists that came out of the 80s, is it not? Madonna has quite a catalog and there's definitely quality in there (as well as fluff). I wonder if her critics would be more open to some of her better songs if they were performed by someone else. Why did that person ONLY mention stuff from the 80s????? madonna does NOT have a strong catalogue IMO. And her videos arent that great. By quite a catalog I meant extensive not necessarily strong. I can't speak for Graceophilos but I think the point was that she has some classic material that still gets play on radio. I hear quite a bit of post 80s Madonna from time to time. But I also think she's a product and an artist and that's not a bad thing. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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kanamit said: JackieBlue said: But as is the case for most artists that came out of the 80s, is it not? Madonna has quite a catalog and there's definitely quality in there (as well as fluff). I wonder if her critics would be more open to some of her better songs if they were performed by someone else. I doubt very much at the idea of hearing a cover of True Blue, la isla bonita or Vogue by another artist. Bottomline is she is not an artist, she can market herself very well, can sense what generates good publicity and money. This is nothing new among singers, ''artists'' and nowadays people tend to use that very often to hide a lack of creativity or talent. Such guilty ones among other are Britney(and all the popish puppets like her),MJ, Beyonce and co. and to a point Prince(even though he is in a league of his own) Quite frankly this is not an attack on her or her fans but i'm pretty sure this how History will remember her, nothing more, nothing less. But what about Rain, Bad Girl, Drowned World, This Used to Be My Playground, Love Don't Live Here Anymore, Take A Bow, I Deserve It? Songs that off the top of my head I think are strong enough in their own right even when sung by a lesser vocalist like Madonna. Would they be rejected if Annie Lennox or kd Lang or some other performer sang them? Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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graecophilos said: TotalAlisa said: Why did that person ONLY mention stuff from the 80s????? madonna does NOT have a strong catalogue IMO. And her videos arent that great. okay, I think she has one of the very best catalogues. I agree, she had most of her hits in the 80s. on the other hand I think her albums became better in the 90s and 00s. Btw, personally I prefer some of her newer songs like Ray Of Light, Music, Don't Tell Me, Hung Up, Get Together, Jump, Heartbeat, Beat Goes On, Miles Away THAT SONG IS DEFINITELY NOT STRONG. 
most of the new songs you listed i don't even know about. I know about her old songs from the 80s. Because they were good, but those new songs you mentioned are forgetable. |
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TotalAlisa said: graecophilos said: okay, I think she has one of the very best catalogues. I agree, she had most of her hits in the 80s. on the other hand I think her albums became better in the 90s and 00s. Btw, personally I prefer some of her newer songs like Ray Of Light, Music, Don't Tell Me, Hung Up, Get Together, Jump, Heartbeat, Beat Goes On, Miles Away THAT SONG IS DEFINITELY NOT STRONG.
most of the new songs you listed i don't even know about. I know about her old songs from the 80s. Because they were good, but those new songs you mentioned are forgetable. Music is soo weak is still brings all the gays to the dance floor when a new remix of it played in the clubs and all the crowds and the concerts just dance to it for no reason. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: TotalAlisa said: THAT SONG IS DEFINITELY NOT STRONG.
most of the new songs you listed i don't even know about. I know about her old songs from the 80s. Because they were good, but those new songs you mentioned are forgetable. Music is soo weak is still brings all the gays to the dance floor when a new remix of it played in the clubs and all the crowds and the concerts just dance to it for no reason. YES, IF SOMEONE IS DRUNK, DOING DRUGS, or just want to dance they will dance to anything. |
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TotalAlisa said: ehuffnsd said: Music is soo weak is still brings all the gays to the dance floor when a new remix of it played in the clubs and all the crowds and the concerts just dance to it for no reason. YES, IF SOMEONE IS DRUNK, DOING DRUGS, or just want to dance they will dance to anything.I am struggling with these replies about "Music". I think that one is a jam. But maybe I am the ehuffnsd category. | |
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JackieBlue said: I wonder if her critics would be more open to some of her better songs if they were performed by someone else.
I still maintain that if an unknown artist released it, "Confessions on a Dance Floor" would b called the greatest dance album of the last 25 years. Easily. But because it was Madonna, critics called it an about face in the aftermath of "American Life" (which I believe history will look back on as 1 of her best). They said she was retreating back 2 familiar territory 2 sate her all-consuming need 2 b successful. Obviously that's my own speculation. Listen to me on The House of Pop Culture podcast on itunes http://itunes.apple.com/u...d438631917 | |
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npgmaverick said: JackieBlue said: I wonder if her critics would be more open to some of her better songs if they were performed by someone else.
I still maintain that if an unknown artist released it, "Confessions on a Dance Floor" would b called the greatest dance album of the last 25 years. Easily. But because it was Madonna, critics called it an about face in the aftermath of "American Life" (which I believe history will look back on as 1 of her best). They said she was retreating back 2 familiar territory 2 sate her all-consuming need 2 b successful. Obviously that's my own speculation. I find COADF overrated. Most songs are average or fillers. Funilly enough I like Triggering and Fighting Spirit and Super Pop more than Isaac, Future Lovers and Push. | |
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npgmaverick said: JackieBlue said: I wonder if her critics would be more open to some of her better songs if they were performed by someone else.
I still maintain that if an unknown artist released it, "Confessions on a Dance Floor" would b called the greatest dance album of the last 25 years. Easily. But because it was Madonna, critics called it an about face in the aftermath of "American Life" (which I believe history will look back on as 1 of her best). They said she was retreating back 2 familiar territory 2 sate her all-consuming need 2 b successful. Obviously that's my own speculation. I enjoyed COADF and still play several tracks. I do think it would have been received differently if someone else had recorded it. My only complaint are the lyrical lapses. Even for fun trendy or hokey songs I think they could have been better but then I think she doesn't really care anyway, it's not that serious. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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Cinnie said: TotalAlisa said: YES, IF SOMEONE IS DRUNK, DOING DRUGS, or just want to dance they will dance to anything.I am struggling with these replies about "Music". I think that one is a jam. But maybe I am the ehuffnsd category. i'm with you Cinnie Music is her best track of this decade [Edited 12/12/08 20:11pm] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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I'm glad to see so many like Music. It's one of my faves too along with the video. One of the most memorable moments of the Drowned World Tour was when she mixed it with Music Sounds Better With You. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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JackieBlue said: I'm glad to see so many like Music. It's one of my faves too along with the video. One of the most memorable moments of the Drowned World Tour was when she mixed it with Music Sounds Better With You.
i remember thinking that Mads would be retired before i was old enough to go to the clubs... for some reason i thought ROL was the end. but Music came out right as i was starting to go to 18+ clubs and sneaking into 21+ ones. the first time i heard it at a club was Oz in the OC and the floor was empty... i think Ambers sexual had been on and they played Mariah or something after than and the floor more less emptied. than Music came on and everyone ran to the floor. Good times! You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: JackieBlue said: I'm glad to see so many like Music. It's one of my faves too along with the video. One of the most memorable moments of the Drowned World Tour was when she mixed it with Music Sounds Better With You.
i remember thinking that Mads would be retired before i was old enough to go to the clubs... for some reason i thought ROL was the end. but Music came out right as i was starting to go to 18+ clubs and sneaking into 21+ ones. the first time i heard it at a club was Oz in the OC and the floor was empty... i think Ambers sexual had been on and they played Mariah or something after than and the floor more less emptied. than Music came on and everyone ran to the floor. Good times! She fooled us all. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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I Want You back: Motown sound
Who's Loving You: Blues ABC: Bubblegum pop I Bet You: Acid soul Dancing Machine: Protodisco Forever came today: Disco I am love: Acid/ Metal funk I know I'm losing you: Soul Show you the way to go: Philly soul All the things you are: Broadway tune Working day and night: Raw funk Wanna be startin' somethin': Afrobeat funk Beat It: Electro funk Dirty diana: Rock Remember the time: New jack swing Jam: NJS/Rap Man in the Mirror: Gospel ... Clearly, there's only a handful of artists who've embraced such a diversity of style, and do it so stylistically. Furthermore, unlike Madonna, Michael has broke rules of conventional wisdom and formula by crafting unique songs that didn't sound like anything else. In 1988,for example, nothing sounded like Smooth Criminal. / | |
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speeddemon said: I Want You back: Motown sound
Who's Loving You: Blues ABC: Bubblegum pop I Bet You: Acid soul Dancing Machine: Protodisco Forever came today: Disco I am love: Acid/ Metal funk I know I'm losing you: Soul Show you the way to go: Philly soul All the things you are: Broadway tune Working day and night: Raw funk Wanna be startin' somethin': Afrobeat funk Beat It: Electro funk Dirty diana: Rock Remember the time: New jack swing Jam: NJS/Rap Man in the Mirror: Gospel ... Clearly, there's only a handful of artists who've embraced such a diversity of style, and do it so stylistically. Furthermore, unlike Madonna, Michael has broke rules of conventional wisdom and formula by crafting unique songs that didn't sound like anything else. In 1988,for example, nothing sounded like Smooth Criminal. / okay, but i mainly talked about why Madonna's still successfull in the 00s and MJ and GM are not. | |
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graecophilos said: speeddemon said: I Want You back: Motown sound
Who's Loving You: Blues ABC: Bubblegum pop I Bet You: Acid soul Dancing Machine: Protodisco Forever came today: Disco I am love: Acid/ Metal funk I know I'm losing you: Soul Show you the way to go: Philly soul All the things you are: Broadway tune Working day and night: Raw funk Wanna be startin' somethin': Afrobeat funk Beat It: Electro funk Dirty diana: Rock Remember the time: New jack swing Jam: NJS/Rap Man in the Mirror: Gospel ... Clearly, there's only a handful of artists who've embraced such a diversity of style, and do it so stylistically. Furthermore, unlike Madonna, Michael has broke rules of conventional wisdom and formula by crafting unique songs that didn't sound like anything else. In 1988,for example, nothing sounded like Smooth Criminal. / okay, but i mainly talked about why Madonna's still successfull in the 00s and MJ and GM are not. Well, in the case of GM, he's not been popular in America since the early 90's. But he's still driving crowds in the UK. His latest album sold over 250.000 copies in the UK in its first week. In the case of MJ, he's sold more albums this year with his catalogue titles than Madonna with all her albums, including the newest one Hard Candy. Once MJ will decide to release a new album, he'll easily outsell about all of his contemporaries. / | |
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