there are only two Madonna albums that i like and ray of light isn't one of them. So i'd go with TVR - so much better melodies.

HamsterHuey said:

No seriously...I dont remember how any of those songs go Forbidden Love, Isaac, Like It Or Not, New York and those songs mentioned above...I have NO IDEA!

errant said:

That was one particular episode Janet recalls that contributed to the build up of her depression along with other things through out her life. Don't try to patronise her.

At least the album was more genuine then Madonna's new found spiritualism in yoga and Hinduism, which she totally abandons two years later to find hos with Ali G.

paisleypark4 said:

I was too. Shut up. Be pretty for me. In jockstrap and white socks.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

my first steps into the gay world and buying the velvet rope happened at the same time so it's very personal but i think ROL is better.

mancabdriver said:[quote]

errant said:

That was one particular episode Janet recalls that contributed to the build up of her depression along with other things through out her life. Don't try to patronise her.

At least the album was more genuine then Madonna's new found spiritualism in yoga and Hinduism, which she totally abandons two years later to find hos with Ali G.[/quote]


it was never about Hinduism... It's Kaballah which she still practices and still features it's teachings in her work to this day. she also still practices yoga and palitaes.

HamsterHuey said:

mancabdriver said:

IM SO GLAD SOMEONE MENTIONED THIS. The velvet rope had some great songs on it. This thread just shows how people dislike janet. Madonna is THE MOST OVERRATED celeb in history. I mean that with all my heart. I can't stand her, and it has NOTHING to do with janet.

HamsterHuey said:

I wasn't speaking about you personally, just referring to the many gay Janet fans who have gone through these things with the album by their side. It's cool if it's not where you were at - that's understandable.

paisleypark4 said:

"Nobody's Perfect" would be my favorite of that group and that's primarily because of the chorus. I'd also have to say that "Like It or Not" and "I Love New York" both have a very memorable chorus. Hell, the latter is damn near unforgettable IMO -- it was in my head after my very first listen (and I didn't even like it then although I love it now).

AlexdeParis said:

Unforgettable for me because it's one of the most vile pieces of shit Madonna's ever cut. Both Like It Or Not and I Love NY are terrible IMO.

Axchi696 said:

For several years after it was released,I was convinced that "Drowned World (Substitute For Love)" was the greatest Madonna song ever.I've since changed my mind (lol) but it's still in my Top 5 list of Madonna songs.

VoicesCarry said:

But I do agree that one's trash is another's treasure so I knew somebody would like those songs if Madonna did....I just dont remember them so thus I agree with Total Alisa...Ray Of Light hardly had anything to really grab the ear...but I did appreciate the space of the album, however I felt alot of EGO in Ray Of Light too...Janet has always been good on keeping a good melody and a good chorus....at least most of the time....cant say tha same for Strawberry Bounce or Curtains...or even Trust.

paisleypark4 said:

i think to the general public ray of light is better remembered.
vr had together again
rol had frozen and ray of light.

ehuffnsd said:[quote]

mancabdriver said:

Henna - body art whitch she used throughout the era orginates from Hinduism. The shanti song is in reference to Hindu gods. I'm pretty sure the whole Kaballah thing was after ROL.

mancabdriver said:

Nope.

SoulAlive said:

Same. "Like A Prayer" has since bumped it.

And the notion that the spirituality of "Ray of Light" was just a whim is kinda silly to me. Sure, she focused an entire project on it. But look at Prince. What came after Lovesexy? The Batman project. Just because you choose to do something different artistically, doesn't mean you're not exploring those same paths personally. Her studies have since shown up in her work on "American Life", "I'm Going To Tell You A Secret" and The Confessions Tour. It was hardly just a phase.

mancabdriver said:

shanti and cyberraga were both chants she said were used in her yoga, not her spiritual practice.

people use tons of henna who aren't hindu. plus she's been practicing Kabballah since 96 or 97.

TRON said:

even more recently her performance of Like A Prayer on the Sticky and Sweet Tour

SoulAlive said:

I love that song, but my favorite Madonna song is another ROL track, "The Power of Good-Bye."

Still waiting for your list, by the way...

TRON said:

I still think the whole religion thing is just a good bullshit marketing concept for her, but to each his own. Like everything else, she'll drop it when it's no longer convenient or she tires of it.

TRON said:

I agree.Unfortunately,there are people who assume that everything Madonna does is a publicity stunt She's been studying/practicing kabbalah since what? 1996? It's hardly a phase.

TRON said:

Yeah,"Like A Prayer" is her masterpiece.

SoulAlive said:

There was a time in the '90s where I thought the song was extremely overrated. I've since returned to loving it, but I have 20 songs ahead of it (including 5 from Ray of Light).

ehuffnsd said:

AHHHHH i'm indian i know what i'm talking about it all stems from HINDUISM ok?

You obviously know a fraction of the topic since Madonna introduced it to you.
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VoicesCarry said:

ouch.

AlexdeParis said:

Wow...20 songs ahead of "Like A Prayer"?

AlexdeParis said:

The Velvet Rope.