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The USA officially has lost its grip as the "music capital" The writing is on the wall, its done. Dependance on quick success and out of the box sales are over, days of selling a million a week are GONE, wave goodbye, the usa has slipped and now its last on the agenda for many artists who no longer see it as a "selling point", oh well what will the usa do now? whats the plan for 2009? get the girls from mtv's "the hills" to sing?
RIP Virgin Megastore and MTV "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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the US has been like since early 2000. thing is the industry is smarter than you think.
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I blame John McCain  and Sarah Palin  . | |
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is there something that brought on this rant, or had it just not come up already 20 times for you in other threads this week and you just had to get it out? | |
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errant said: is there something that brought on this rant, or had it just not come up already 20 times for you in other threads this week and you just had to get it out?
Like "tell us something we don't already know", lol. | |
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This might be what music business needs right now. I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at the dirt. | |
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errant said: is there something that brought on this rant, or had it just not come up already 20 times for you in other threads this week and you just had to get it out?
Actually i was quoting a universal rep who told me today they were trimming their roster 25% at the end of February and that a major will go under next year along with another music chain. And its funny how that when i post on someone like Ryan Adams, annie lennox etc...and no one gives feedback but when its a "sexy topic" meaning something that Ya'll see getting hits you comment, guess its says something about what you wanna read and not read. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: errant said: is there something that brought on this rant, or had it just not come up already 20 times for you in other threads this week and you just had to get it out?
Actually i was quoting a universal rep who told me today they were trimming their roster 25% at the end of February and that a major will go under next year along with another music chain. And its funny how that when i post on someone like Ryan Adams, annie lennox etc...and no one gives feedback but when its a "sexy topic" meaning something that Ya'll see getting hits you comment, guess its says something about what you wanna read and not read.  the jobber who arranges the endcap at Sam Goody doesn't qualify as a "Universal rep"[Edited 12/4/08 20:07pm] | |
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rushing07 said: This might be what music business needs right now.
The music "industry" was the reason music is at its lowest ebb. It's like "is that really news?" LOL | |
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Timmy84 said: rushing07 said: This might be what music business needs right now.
The music "industry" was the reason music is at its lowest ebb. It's like "is that really news?" LOL what i don't understand is why he's always pissing and moaning about how dire a state the music industry is. yeah, it sucks. it's dying. it's the best thing that could happen to music. we'll get a lot less PCD and Cassie and a lot more independent talent. down with the industry! | |
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errant said: Timmy84 said: The music "industry" was the reason music is at its lowest ebb. It's like "is that really news?" LOL what i don't understand is why he's always pissing and moaning about how dire a state the music industry is. yeah, it sucks. it's dying. it's the best thing that could happen to music. we'll get a lot less PCD and Cassie and a lot more independent talent. down with the industry! Exactly. It's a dying union.  | |
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errant said: lastdecember said: Actually i was quoting a universal rep who told me today they were trimming their roster 25% at the end of February and that a major will go under next year along with another music chain. And its funny how that when i post on someone like Ryan Adams, annie lennox etc...and no one gives feedback but when its a "sexy topic" meaning something that Ya'll see getting hits you comment, guess its says something about what you wanna read and not read. the jobber who arranges the endcap at Sam Goody doesn't qualify as a "Universal rep"
[Edited 12/4/08 20:07pm] Dude you have no fucking clue, plain and simple so dont even go there because i aint in the mood for bullshit plain and simple. If you want names and numbers then org note me and yyou will get fucking schooled, ok. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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errant said: Timmy84 said: The music "industry" was the reason music is at its lowest ebb. It's like "is that really news?" LOL what i don't understand is why he's always pissing and moaning about how dire a state the music industry is. yeah, it sucks. it's dying. it's the best thing that could happen to music. we'll get a lot less PCD and Cassie and a lot more independent talent. down with the industry! your living in a DREAM. Indie indie, half the morons that TOUT this indie talk have no clue, the whole fucking bottom is falling out, and indies will go first. If you pull all the money out of everything you will get nothing. It takes money of some sort to get an idea of the ground plain and simple. And once again you tout Cassie who on this forum has had 16 topics posted and 15 were not by me, hmm so go fucking figure? try getting in a Ryan Adams thread, or is that above everyone here? Also more than half of the "indies" are owned by majors, which everyone fails to recognize. Im working with an indie artist in nyc now and in "indie" films, and trust me, if you arent putting thousands and thousands and thousands into it and arent losing money on everything you do, then you are in the wrong business. That is the reality of "indie" and the thing is that can only exist if you got some sort of bank already, plain and simple [Edited 12/4/08 20:30pm] "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Indie seems to be doing real good these days.
These are artists who make near to zero money out of album sales. They promote thier stuff on the internet and tour. 15$ a ticket. And they get enough cash to make music and do it all over again. I like that. I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at the dirt. | |
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lastdecember said: errant said: what i don't understand is why he's always pissing and moaning about how dire a state the music industry is. yeah, it sucks. it's dying. it's the best thing that could happen to music. we'll get a lot less PCD and Cassie and a lot more independent talent. down with the industry! your living in a DREAM. Indie indie, half the morons that TOUT this indie talk have no clue, the whole fucking bottom is falling out, and indies will go first. If you pull all the money out of everything you will get nothing. It takes money of some sort to get an idea of the ground plain and simple. And once again you tout Cassie who on this forum has had 16 topics posted and 15 were not by me, hmm so go fucking figure? try getting in a Ryan Adams thread, or is that above everyone here? Also more than half of the "indies" are owned by majors, which everyone fails to recognize. Im working with an indie artist in nyc now and in "indie" films, and trust me, if you arent putting thousands and thousands and thousands into it and arent losing money on everything you do, then you are in the wrong business. That is the reality of "indie" and the thing is that can only exist if you got some sort of bank already, plain and simple [Edited 12/4/08 20:30pm] I'm not talking about "indie" labels or stores or movies. I'm talking about artists recording something, putting it on their website, and people buying it like that. You've got your head so far up the industry's ass you don't even know what the conversation is about. | |
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errant said: lastdecember said: your living in a DREAM. Indie indie, half the morons that TOUT this indie talk have no clue, the whole fucking bottom is falling out, and indies will go first. If you pull all the money out of everything you will get nothing. It takes money of some sort to get an idea of the ground plain and simple. And once again you tout Cassie who on this forum has had 16 topics posted and 15 were not by me, hmm so go fucking figure? try getting in a Ryan Adams thread, or is that above everyone here? Also more than half of the "indies" are owned by majors, which everyone fails to recognize. Im working with an indie artist in nyc now and in "indie" films, and trust me, if you arent putting thousands and thousands and thousands into it and arent losing money on everything you do, then you are in the wrong business. That is the reality of "indie" and the thing is that can only exist if you got some sort of bank already, plain and simple [Edited 12/4/08 20:30pm] I'm not talking about "indie" labels or stores or movies. I'm talking about artists recording something, putting it on their website, and people buying it like that. You've got your head so far up the industry's ass you don't even know what the conversation is about. No kidding dude, it all costs MONEY. the artist im working with is DOING IT ALL LIKE THAT, it costs MONEY. Recording music is not free unless you own your own studio, I know how the shit works alright, i have seen plenty of these bands come and go that Sell shit on their myspace, that make one song and then go back to their day job because the money runs out. You have to get some sort of following and BANK to make shit happen, or already have the cash. damn "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: errant said: the jobber who arranges the endcap at Sam Goody doesn't qualify as a "Universal rep"
[Edited 12/4/08 20:07pm] Dude you have no fucking clue, plain and simple so dont even go there because i aint in the mood for bullshit plain and simple. If you want names and numbers then org note me and yyou will get fucking schooled, ok. i'm sure your contacts would just love that you're pimping them out via orgnotes just to prove that you're in the know. which pretty much convinces me that they don't exist. | |
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lastdecember said: errant said: I'm not talking about "indie" labels or stores or movies. I'm talking about artists recording something, putting it on their website, and people buying it like that. You've got your head so far up the industry's ass you don't even know what the conversation is about. No kidding dude, it all costs MONEY. the artist im working with is DOING IT ALL LIKE THAT, it costs MONEY. Recording music is not free unless you own your own studio, I know how the shit works alright, i have seen plenty of these bands come and go that Sell shit on their myspace, that make one song and then go back to their day job because the money runs out. You have to get some sort of following and BANK to make shit happen, or already have the cash. damn um, yes, well, that's the free enterprise system. you create something, you sel it, if people dig it, you get paid handsomely for it and you get to do it again. if not, then that's all she wrote. and so what? what do i care? | |
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errant said: lastdecember said: Dude you have no fucking clue, plain and simple so dont even go there because i aint in the mood for bullshit plain and simple. If you want names and numbers then org note me and yyou will get fucking schooled, ok. i'm sure your contacts would just love that you're pimping them out via orgnotes just to prove that you're in the know. which pretty much convinces me that they don't exist. Sorry they do exist, so theres nothing to prove. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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errant said: lastdecember said: No kidding dude, it all costs MONEY. the artist im working with is DOING IT ALL LIKE THAT, it costs MONEY. Recording music is not free unless you own your own studio, I know how the shit works alright, i have seen plenty of these bands come and go that Sell shit on their myspace, that make one song and then go back to their day job because the money runs out. You have to get some sort of following and BANK to make shit happen, or already have the cash. damn um, yes, well, that's the free enterprise system. you create something, you sel it, if people dig it, you get paid handsomely for it and you get to do it again. if not, then that's all she wrote. and so what? what do i care? thats funny how you think people are getting paid, and the business model you just described is exaclty how "majors" do their signing and marketing now. They take these little "dreamers" sign them get their hit and ringtone, and drop them, which is how you have the soulja boys of the world. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: errant said: um, yes, well, that's the free enterprise system. you create something, you sel it, if people dig it, you get paid handsomely for it and you get to do it again. if not, then that's all she wrote. and so what? what do i care? thats funny how you think people are getting paid, and the business model you just described is exaclty how "majors" do their signing and marketing now. They take these little "dreamers" sign them get their hit and ringtone, and drop them, which is how you have the soulja boys of the world. so if that's how it happens already, then the artists might as well do it on their own. and we'll have no more soulja boys being propped up by a dying music "industry" | |
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errant said: lastdecember said: thats funny how you think people are getting paid, and the business model you just described is exaclty how "majors" do their signing and marketing now. They take these little "dreamers" sign them get their hit and ringtone, and drop them, which is how you have the soulja boys of the world. so if that's how it happens already, then the artists might as well do it on their own. and we'll have no more soulja boys being propped up by a dying music "industry" we'll just have more soulja boys doing it on their own. The artists that are doing it on their own, are actually ones that were with labels that left but have the "name" and the base to keep it going, which are the bands i have always supported, that have existed forever and continue to work and fund their own records at this point because they have made their money already and havent pissed it away. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: errant said: so if that's how it happens already, then the artists might as well do it on their own. and we'll have no more soulja boys being propped up by a dying music "industry" we'll just have more soulja boys doing it on their own. The artists that are doing it on their own, are actually ones that were with labels that left but have the "name" and the base to keep it going, which are the bands i have always supported, that have existed forever and continue to work and fund their own records at this point because they have made their money already and havent pissed it away. without labels propping them up, though, we'll at least see if the market can support any soulja boys doing it on their own. it will be very interesting what kind of music trends rise up and thrive once the industry as we know it has gasped its last breath. if it creates 15 soulja boys, then so be it. that's clearly what people want. but i have feeling it won't. | |
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i'm curious to see what will happen over the next few years!
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lastdecember said: they do exist, so theres nothing to prove.
Uhm... that makes NO sense at all. It's like saying "Yea, I know God exists, so there's nothing to prove" Your logic is flawed. It is not known why FuNkeNsteiN capitalizes his name as he does, though some speculate sunlight deficiency caused by the most pimpified white guy afro in Nordic history.
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lastdecember said: The writing is on the wall, its done. Dependance on quick success and out of the box sales are over, days of selling a million a week are GONE, wave goodbye, the usa has slipped and now its last on the agenda for many artists who no longer see it as a "selling point", oh well what will the usa do now? whats the plan for 2009? get the girls from mtv's "the hills" to sing?
The "plan for 2009" is...artists are gonna have to find new,creative ways to generate income.They can't just release a CD,sit back and expect to make millions from it.They're gonna have to go out there and WORK for their money.For their part,record companies are gonna have to lower their expectations and be happy when a CD reaches gold status.Look how many current CDs are having trouble selling 500,000 copies in the US right now (Robin Thicke,PussyCat Dolls,etc).Even the few CDs that manage to reach platimum do not sell much more than that (Mariah,for example). | |
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And that's it right there in a nutshell, SoulAlive. Artists just can't expect automatic hit records, they're gonna have to WORK for it now. I just can't stand when artists act like prima donnas because they expect their record to do monstrously well then throw hissy fits at the industry when their record tanks. It isn't the "end" of anything, it's just that there's too many bitchassness between record labels, their bosses and themselves. | |
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FuNkeNsteiN said: lastdecember said: they do exist, so theres nothing to prove.
Uhm... that makes NO sense at all. It's like saying "Yea, I know God exists, so there's nothing to prove" Your logic is flawed. Hey, Christians get away with that all the time!
Seriously though, a lot of the stuff he says is true. 2009 is going to be a bad year for the industry in the form of one of the majors (I think it's going to be Universal) closing up shop. They just don't get it. | |
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guitarslinger44 said: FuNkeNsteiN said: Uhm... that makes NO sense at all. It's like saying "Yea, I know God exists, so there's nothing to prove" Your logic is flawed. Hey, Christians get away with that all the time!
Seriously though, a lot of the stuff he says is true. 2009 is going to be a bad year for the industry in the form of one of the majors (I think it's going to be Universal) closing up shop. They just don't get it. The industry was already "dying" in 2001. And even years before then, lol! It's BEEN dead. Fuck the music industry. I won't be crying at its funeral. | |
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