I think she is so overrated and I now understand why people hated Madonna in the 80's

VoicesCarry said:

It's like Amy Winehouse. Not to that extreme obviously but they'll push her to the brink if they have to. Can't miss making that money

As sad as this documentary was, I was happy to see that she seems to have grown up a lot (soo happy she wasn't chewing gum at any point in this special! ). When she said, "Why didn't I just go home to Louisiana?", I remember saying to myself, "Why didn't you?!?!", because that was something that I kept saying everytime she was on the news last year doing something erratic. After a while, I started to believe that she was actually enjoying all the negative attention she was getting because she chose to stay in that environment. Actions really do speak louder than words in my eyes. Sure, there are probably paparazzi in her hometown in Louisiana, but not like there are in LA, so she could have gotten a restraining order against the few that would have been following her in Louisiana.

As she was talking about K-Fed, I just kept looking at her face and seeing an expression that I've seen soo many times. It's a look of, "People told me not to do it, but I didn't listen and I got screwed. They told me soo." The saddest part was watching her cry and say that she was sad and felt that her life was too controlled now and lacked excitment, but sadly, I think that's what's best for her at this time. She went from one extreme to the other, and hopefully she can learn how to find a healthy balance between the two for her future. She can't be that spontaneous and rebellious anymore because she has two children to take care of now. I think her children are really what saved her life, because would anyone have really cared about her doing all those things had she have been childless like Lindsay Lohan or Paris Hilton? I just remember soo many people saying to me years ago that I didn't like Britney because I was jealous or envious of her...my, how wrong they have turned out to be. All the money and fame in the world would not make we envy this poor woman. I may not have millions of screaming fans and boat loads of cash, but I'm happy and free to do as I please. I pray that one day she will be able to smile again.

estelle81 said:

i don't think this saga is over yet. she still seems to miss somethings that weren't healthy for her.

ehuffnsd said:

That's the impression I got too, she actually liked certain aspects of her fucked up life last year.

estelle81 said:

I think and hope that this documentary would at least have the general public finally seperate Paris Hilton and the Lindsay Lohans from Britney, i think she is a totally different situation. Paris is a socialite, thats her business and her career, her job is the red carpet and photo ops and club openings, but Britney is totally different from that. Also a few things that i hope everyone heard was the thing about "performing" when she said "its all ive ever known" so those who think she needs to leave things like performing behind her, that would be a bad call at this point, and also would be when she said how this was her 'therapy'. Most performers, artists, creative people, are doing it for theraputic reasons, and the ones who arent really are kind of lieing to themselves, also, creative people have "esteem" issues from the get go.

lastdecember said:

She didn't say performing is all she's ever known, the interviewer asked her if she knows how weird her life is and she said "It's all I've ever know I don't think it's weird".

The doco seems to be doing the trick, I haven't seen any negative reviews for it so far. I didn't like it personally, I wish someone would teach her how to construct sentences, but it was great seeing her in the recording studio, hearing her real voice.

purplesweat said:

Its a metaphor and its really the same thing, i mean she didnt have a kid life for the most part at all, she has performed her whole life so to speak. I like the fact that she said "she hated victim talk from anyone" i hope certain performers heard that loud and clear. Also i was glad to see her sense of humour still there.

oh, Madonna. you're still British. i thought all of that was over

and why are you looking like a cat?

errant said:

I liked what she said but I could NOT stop laughing at that face!

errant said:

you're right!

i found the whole thing sad! she really seems lost with herself still. i hope she finds her way, and is able to have good relationships with her kids!

it airs here today her bday ( dec 2nd) at 7.30 on channel 10 in australia, i will comment tomorrow after watching it 2night.

I watched it last night.

There was something.. when she said, "In five years, I want to be remarried and have more babies.. have done a movie..." In a way it seems like she is on this timetable rather than just working on herself. Yes.. she is working on herself, but it seems like everybody around her is making her work for herself. In other words, she is not really "working on herself" at all: she is just...following orders except I wonder why she did this documentary..really?. It is like she wants all these things to happen. I wonder if she will try to "make" them happen rather than prepare herself, you know? I do not see her taking any acting classes, for example. She could be taking some classes if she wants to do a movie, you know?

And I am not sure if she has really learned anything from her experience with her marriage. She just wants to be married and find a good role model for her children rather than it be about "love." But then again.. a lot of people spend a lifetime making the same mistakes over and over again. I read Madonna chased Guy Ritchie. Is this true? So maybe this type of attitude is something Madonna and Britney share? They "make" things happen rather than looking at substance perhaps? I am just asking because I do not know. What is your opinions on this?

I am not sure.. Is Britney clinically depressed do you all think? Madonna said something like "Britney was just making mistakes or growing up, and she (Madonna) had the luxery of doing this more privately." To me, it was more than serious than that, but maybe I am wrong.

Also.. Madonna's surgery! She looks like the woman from Mommy Dearest!
But in her defense, I think aging stars just are in a no win situation. I watched a little bit of The Thornbirds, and I thought that Rachel Ward--who played Meggie was so beautiful! I looked up some info. about her, and of course she is probably around Madonna's age now?

Anyway, I saw this pic of her.. and Rachel Ward is still beautiful but she looks her age. But you know, the comments underneath her pic were horrible. People were saying she let herself go.. blah, blah, blah. I thought she still was pretty, but.. you know she is older now. She is just a pretty older lady--not somebody trying to look like she did.. many years ago. She has grown children.. and of course her husband is the guy her played her husband in The Thornbirds. He look older, too--still handsome but older, you know?

So.. you if Rachel Ward had plastic surgery, people might be saying horrible things, but since she didn't people are still saying horrible things, so what can she do?

With Madonna, maybe it is the same thing---people have this expectation of her, I guess? Oh.. but.. for me personally, I think Rachel Ward looks like an older beautiful woman and not freakish. To me, Madonna is on the verge of looking freakish. I think it is sad.
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I also couldn't believe how terrible Madonna looked. In photo's her surgery doesn't look as bad as it did on film. I hope she doesn't have any more or she will look like that cat woman and that will be well scary!!!

britney looks great, the best in years. The thing is she said it herself she does not have the drive or passion and you can see that in her recent performances.
maybe she should step out the spot light and just take care of her babies.

She did her job and the job of her publicity people, you guys are talking about her again...


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Slave2daGroove said:

im not buying the album. so she did do that good of a job

it was sad to watch , but at the same time really glad she is trying to get back on her feet.



the its all iv'e ever known part got me 2. and when she was crying, soooo sad and how she doesn't do much anymore and how it is boring.
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I'd love to see her find what makes her truly happy...instead of trying to plz every damn body in her life; including the public/strangers...

another great thing she said was about getting in her car and driving because she at least feels like she is "going somewhere", which proves what everyone says about EVERY celeb, musician,actor etc...money does not change anything but the people around you and the way they look at you, this dream that people famous or with money dont have issues, like we do on the normal day to day is ridiculous, and the reason why morons like Tmz and Perez Hilton get any attention.

TotalAlisa said:

I never have understood why people insist on saying stuff like that. She's not getting paid when we talk about her and the tabloids aren't giving her any money for all the photos they get of her. Her job is to sell albums and concert tickets which my money won't be going towards, so all they hype didn't work on me either.

estelle81 said:

And also, her check is already cut, she is getting paid whether we talk,dont talk, like her, buy her, sample her, steal her music, download, etc...its not like she is a new unsigned artist waiting for the check to come in.

ehuffnsd said:

I agree, because isn't that "Mmm Papi" song that she wrote supposedly about that paparazzi asshole who was using her? I've told many people that I don't consider her in the clear until after the conservatorship ends and she's on her own for a while. That's when we'll see if she truly has changed for the better, but she definitely is doing well at the moment, so hope she stays on track.

estelle81 said:

The key is what is around her, and at a certain time about 6-8 months ago or more, things changed, certain people were gone, and her father came back into the picture. You can never tell what a person is going through, unless your around them, its easy for us to say our perceptions, but do we really know what is going on, we dont. I think the album and a tour are a good thing for her, for alot of people, they are at peace when they are at their job or performing etc. rather than sitting home where they have to think about things too much, analyzing things sometimes, many times is worse.

lastdecember said:

i get it now, you only support and pretend to be blind sighted when it comes to celebs you like.

realize that if her stuff does NOT sell do you really think she is going to continue making albums with no support.

TotalAlisa said:

here we go again, its called an album deal, a contract ok, just like Mariah has like Janet had, they GOT THEIR CHECK whether the album sold or not, thats the point here. If everyone stops buying then she'll do whatever, i mean there are bands here in NYC that no one knows about, but they play shows and sell their cds at shows and make money that way. If you are an artist, whoever you are, SURE you wanna sell, but YOU ARE NOT AN ARTIST if you cant deal with not selling, sorry but thats what its about. So people like Britney or beyonce or whoever, if they wouldnt do what they do FOR FREE, than they arent artists, same goes for everyone else, its called a gut check.

lastdecember said:

you be surprised that a lot of these music artist really do not have a lot of money. That is why they do all these endorsements.

Have you heard of Damon Dash. his loyal even said a lot of these celebs do NOT have money like that. SO NO these artist are NOT getting a paycheck, or a small one.

TotalAlisa said:

Theres a difference in artists, you cant lump them all into one category, if you are someone like a madonna or britney or mariah or beyonce, big names like that, you have a contract for a certain amount of albums for a certain amount of money, and most of these artists are signed to 10 million and way up, and thats not counting endorsements which they all do at this point, and the reason they do is that music does not make money for anyone at this point. Case in point Rihanna , sold 8 million worldwide of her latest album, and yet is not on the top 20 money earning females in music, Jessica Simpson made 25 million, and sold about 200,000 of her latest, So music regardless of its sales doesnt matter anymore in this day and age, when you can endorse, thats why they are "media stars" not "music stars".

Now "indie" bands and artists are totally different, they rarely have contracts, however whatever they sell they keep for the most part. Like PRINCE said years ago, there are about a dozen artists that are "getting paid" and have good contracts.

As for Damon, hes selling everything he owns at this point because he lived the high life, and you cant do that, i guess no one learned from Mc Hammer, you cant buy 50 cars and houses and not expect the well to run dry.

lascantas said:

I agree with you. This is one thing that has always bothered me about her. I believe that the bulk of her career has been mapped out for her by smart PR people and other label heads/handlers; and this documentary just made me see how things haven't really changed. Personally, I don't think she's ever really had to make any hardcore decisions for herself, because other people were always doing it for her and she never really bothered to learn to do it on her own, so I can't really feel sorry for her in that aspect. All people, celebrity or not, should take the initiative to learn how to stand on their own two feet at some point regardless of how many assistants they have employed, because that's what I believe is a large part of what life is all about...learning how to become an independent individual.

I don't see her trying to better herself very much either. The major thing I noticed in the docu is that she doesn't really make-up any of her own choreography, and her dancing is usually what people praise her for. Maybe she has in the past, but she doesn't in this special. For someone who loves dancing as much as she says she does, why isn't she making up her own dance routines or at least coming into rehearsals and offering up some dance steps that she's been working on while being 'trapped' in her house? Maybe she is and they just didn't document that part, so

She also hasn't seemed to learn how to do any real producing or songwriting while in her 'controlled and boring' environment. She's like many artists nowadays, more than happy to pay others to do the bulk of the hard work for them while they garner all the credit. It's something that I find extremely disappointing, lazy, and sad. She's saying that her life is boring, so why not take up learning something new or bettering your craft? One day, I got soo bored that I taught myself the sign language alphabet...only took an hour and I learned something that I can always use. Britney has had lots of people doing things for her for the majority of her career and life, which is why I've never been able to see her as a strong and independent woman. Maybe someday, she will understand (no pun intended) and become that liberated woman she soo hopes to be.



I've read that Madonna pursued Guy in many biographies written about her and that the main reason he asked her to marry him was because she was pregnant with their son. It's not a bad reason to marry someone, but not really a good reason either. I think that if Britney does get remarried, finding a good father figure for her sons should be the most important thing on her list of things to look for. You divorce your husband; you don't divorce your kids. Personally, I think Britney and Madonna are different when it comes to love. I think Madonna likes to be in control and, like you said, 'make' things happen; but I think Britney is willing to relinquish all control to her man and fall blindly, and oft times, foolishly in love. She was raised the way most southern girls are raised; to believe that a man should be a gentleman and take care of his lady. I was raised like that too, but that fairy tale lie faded along time ago for me thanks to many boys pretending to be men. I think she still believes that such a love exists in this day and age and that's nice and all, but a tad bit unrealistic IMO, especially considering who she is. I believe her celebrity kinda hinders her a little in the finding true love department, because she'll have to find a guy just as or more successful than her, because I don't know too many guys (not users) who would be thrilled to be labled, "Mr. Britney Spears" on a constant basis.



Regardless of what anyone says, Britney did have a childhood away from the bright lights of Hollywood...it was just broken up alot by different career ventures she pursued throughout her younger years; but she had many years being a normal kid, so I never understood that 'she never had a childhood' crap. She didn't do the MMC until she was like 10 years old and after it ended about 2 years later, she went back to Louisiana and was a normal teenager for a few years; hell there are pictures of her attending a high school prom and that's not something that a overworked child star usually gets the priviledge of doing. She wasn't like Janet, Drew Barrymore, or the Olsen twins who actually did spend their childhoods in the spotlights working non-stop and these ladies all seem very grounded and independent to me. If she hated soo much, she should have stopped doing it. Lauryn Hill was at the pinnacle of her career after her first solo album dropped; and she just quit and became a mom, so if she can do it, any celebrity can...man, I wish she would put out another album because she truly was the total package.