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PrintablePatrickS77 said: ^^What exactly does this have to do with "vertigo"?? Should the continuence of the tour prove that she wasn't sick?? You realize that there is a 4 month gap between her being "sick" and going on tour in Japan! You're grasping for straws!
You're missing the point. The story was that she cancelled those gigs cuz she was "sick". Well, since she's obviously well enough to fly to the other side of the world and do a series of gigs then she should also be well enough to reschedule those "postponed" gigs in her own country. Unless of course she never had any intention of rescheduling the gigs in the first place, which is obviously the truth. Once again it seems the "haters" are being proved correct. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Well, could be, but it could also be different reasons... like indeed her schedule, availability of venues... none of us knows! And since the tour is not over, who says that she won't do those shows at the end of the tour in smaller venues? She played 16 shows to halfempty arenas already! Probably that fact helped in the decision to, instead of rescheduling shows now and again play in half empty arenas, first go elsewhere, where she hopefully does better and do those shows later on...
I'm not saying that I agree with the decision to not reschedule those shows right away... how they dealt with it is shady and the lack of communication sucks, so it's no wonder people mistrust her, but still, I try to not jump to conclusions! I realize there is a 4 month gap between the first and second leg... so maybe her health is still a concern! What I find more interesting though is you saying a couple of months ago that Janet won't be touring, that she's lying about her plans to tour and blablabla... guess what, she is touring and she's continuing to tour, even despite setbacks and things not going as smooth as they should go! She could have thrown in the towel after the US tour... but no... she's carrying on! I know that annoys you!   | |
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I have friends in Japan that I would love to see but it won't be based around a Janet concert. I can't even begin to imagine the drama if a show were postponed or cancelled as they would have to travel too. Hopefully she's up to par and the tour goes well. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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VoicesCarry said: This is a really great opportunity for me to visit Japan. At this time, I am planning to go to the first four shows. I hope it works out
 well damn how much are the tickets then? ...VC got me wanting to go to Japan  LOVE HARD. | |
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PatrickS77 said: Well, could be, but it could also be different reasons... like indeed her schedule, availability of venues... none of us knows! And since the tour is not over, who says that she won't do those shows at the end of the tour in smaller venues? She played 16 shows to halfempty arenas already! Probably that fact helped in the decision to, instead of rescheduling shows now and again play in half empty arenas, first go elsewhere, where she hopefully does better and do those shows later on...
I'm not saying that I agree with the decision to not reschedule those shows right away... how they dealt with it is shady and the lack of communication sucks, so it's no wonder people mistrust her, but still, I try to not jump to conclusions! I realize there is a 4 month gap between the first and second leg... so maybe her health is still a concern! What I find more interesting though is you saying a couple of months ago that Janet won't be touring, that she's lying about her plans to tour and blablabla... guess what, she is touring and she's continuing to tour, even despite setbacks and things not going as smooth as they should go! She could have thrown in the towel after the US tour... but no... she's carrying on! I know that annoys you! Woah! What the fuck are you talking about? Obviously you're on such shaky ground in this argument that you've had to start fictionalising arguments to divert attention away. All I ever said about Janet touring is that she won't tour EUROPE! Nice diversion tactic though. 
But the fact is you've already implicitly acknowledged that those gigs were scrapped because of poor ticket sales. You've said she most likely won't reschedule because the gigs sold poorly. That's correct, but in typical obtuse fashion you're refusing to see that that was the plan from the start. The fact that those gigs were never rescheduled supports those who said all along that the "illness" was just an excuse. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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totaldiva said: I don't know exactly why she cancelled her US dates. I hear much speculation. All I know is that I am glad I got to see her at MSG. No matter what the issue is be it poor ticket sales or album sales, she still puts on one hell of a show and I would see her again.
she cancelled it because of poor ticket sales and I don't care what anyone else says about it. Touring in japan is a great business move and i'm sure she is still popular like heck over there. | |
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Timmy84 said: paisleypark4 said: She SHOWED yall bitches
With her fat, juicy ass.  Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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TRON said: ehuffnsd said: a professional would still perform regardless of ticket sales.
someone who will remain nameless just performed her lowest selling show of the tour. they curtain off whole sections of the stadium, because people in Detroit couldn't afford their homegirl's show. however she went out there and gave it her all, because those people who were there paid to see her. Really? I didn't notice. The place looked packed to me. The only part I noticed that wasn't used was directly behind the stage.  that's what all the reviews have said. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: TRON said: Really? I didn't notice. The place looked packed to me. The only part I noticed that wasn't used was directly behind the stage. that's what all the reviews have said. Reviews are quick to talk about ticket sales instead of the show itself. For Janet's Toronto show, all the reviews were talking about how she was at 50% capacity. If you went to the show, it was 85-90% full. Unfortunately, reviewers have no concept of an end stage setup and the fact that tickets behind the stage are not sold for obvious reasons, nor do they have any interest in being accurate. So, I would place much more trust in fans who actually went to the show than in journalists who write about concerts but seem to know fuck all about them. [Edited 11/20/08 9:22am] | |
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VoicesCarry said: ehuffnsd said: that's what all the reviews have said. Reviews are quick to talk about ticket sales instead of the show itself. For Janet's Toronto show, all the reviews were talking about how she was at 50% capacity. If you went to the show, it was 85-90% full. Unfortunately, reviewers have no concept of an end stage setup and the fact that tickets behind the stage are not sold for obvious reasons, nor do they have any interest in being accurate. So, I would place much more trust in fans who actually went to the show than in journalists who write about concerts but seem to know fuck all about them. what he said.  | |
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VoicesCarry said: ehuffnsd said: that's what all the reviews have said. Reviews are quick to talk about ticket sales instead of the show itself. For Janet's Toronto show, all the reviews were talking about how she was at 50% capacity. If you went to the show, it was 85-90% full. Unfortunately, reviewers have no concept of an end stage setup and the fact that tickets behind the stage are not sold for obvious reasons, nor do they have any interest in being accurate. So, I would place much more trust in fans who actually went to the show than in journalists who write about concerts but seem to know fuck all about them. [Edited 11/20/08 9:22am] exactly, most of it was full, it was just the very top section that was empty and a few empty seats here and there | |
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ehuffnsd said: TRON said: Really? I didn't notice. The place looked packed to me. The only part I noticed that wasn't used was directly behind the stage. that's what all the reviews have said. so you used this argument about 'another artist' when you wasnt even at that artist show and only going by reviews? | |
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midnightmover said: PatrickS77 said: ^^What exactly does this have to do with "vertigo"?? Should the continuence of the tour prove that she wasn't sick?? You realize that there is a 4 month gap between her being "sick" and going on tour in Japan! You're grasping for straws!
You're missing the point. The story was that she cancelled those gigs cuz she was "sick". Well, since she's obviously well enough to fly to the other side of the world and do a series of gigs then she should also be well enough to reschedule those "postponed" gigs in her own country. Unless of course she never had any intention of rescheduling the gigs in the first place, which is obviously the truth. Once again it seems the "haters" are being proved correct. she continued with the tour and played the rescheduled dates after she got sick, i never heard where she said she cancelled those shows because she is to sick to play,far as i know there was no reason given. my guess is either there was not enough tickets sold for those shows not rescheduled or there was scheduling conflicts with the arenas. you dont know if she's gonna do a 2nd leg of the show here in the states or not. | |
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they curtain off whole sections of the stadium, because people in Detroit couldn't afford their homegirl's show.
hmmm, i was at the "Detroit" show and there were lots of empty seats. but i don't think it was an issue of if Detroit ppl could "afford" the tix. i think the original show was on a Friday or Saturday and the reschedule date on a Tuesday. HUGE difference in how u plan ur week/end. i suspect lots of ppl. got refunds. the audience was WAY whiter than it would have been had she played Detroit "proper" i believe (Joe Louis or Cobo). lots of ppl dred the 40 min. drive to Auburn Hills. i've seen here in both places (on the Janet tour, on consecutive nights), different audience composition, different vibe. | |
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lowkey said: midnightmover said: You're missing the point. The story was that she cancelled those gigs cuz she was "sick". Well, since she's obviously well enough to fly to the other side of the world and do a series of gigs then she should also be well enough to reschedule those "postponed" gigs in her own country. Unless of course she never had any intention of rescheduling the gigs in the first place, which is obviously the truth. Once again it seems the "haters" are being proved correct. she continued with the tour and played the rescheduled dates after she got sick, i never heard where she said she cancelled those shows because she is to sick to play,far as i know there was no reason given. my guess is either there was not enough tickets sold for those shows not rescheduled or there was scheduling conflicts with the arenas. you dont know if she's gonna do a 2nd leg of the show here in the states or not. Oh, yes I do.  “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: Woah! What the fuck are you talking about? Obviously you're on such shaky ground in this argument that you've had to start fictionalising arguments to divert attention away. All I ever said about Janet touring is that she won't tour EUROPE! Nice diversion tactic though.
Well, if I would be bored shitless and if there would be a working search function on this site I would look up the quote for you.. but since there isn't and I'm not, this won't happen... a couple of days ago you said she won't be touring Europe, but a couple of months ago, when she first was talking about going on tour for "Discipline" you were saying she is lying about the tour (like she, according to you, has done in the past) and that she won't go on tour (again like in the past)! But the fact is you've already implicitly acknowledged that those gigs were scrapped because of poor ticket sales. You've said she most likely won't reschedule because the gigs sold "poorly". That's correct, but in typical obtuse fashion you're refusing to see that that was the plan from the start. The fact that those gigs were never rescheduled supports those who said all along that the "illness" was just an excuse.
I said, it "could" be! Not that it is... unlike you I try to not make out assumptions to be facts! I don't pretend to know it all, when I know jack shit!The reason given was "scheduling"... considering that Janet is in Dubai since a couple of days, maybe it indeed was only scheduling (even though I still believe that the tour should be top priority), maybe it was because she sold poorly (looking at the numbers off course it could be possible and I still believe that helped them come to this decision... but still, it's only assumption)! And we also don't know if or when those arenas are available... we also don't know if she will do those shows on a possible second leg where she plays in smaller venues.... we know nothing... we're just assuming and guessing! And we shouldn't forget that! midnightmover said: lowkey said: you dont know if she's gonna do a 2nd leg of the show here in the states or not.
Oh, yes I do. No... you're guessing, as always! | |
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PatrickS77 said: Yes, the tour is not over!
Janet is touring in Japan in February! http://www.sponichi.co.jp...19/02.html 14th + 15th FEB --- Tokyo, Saitama Arena http://www.saitama-arena....d=00000752 http://www.saitama-arena....d=00000753 17th FEB --- Osaka 19th FEB --- Nagoya 22nd FEB --- Fukuoka http://www.bic.ne.jp/jj/ Tickets on sale soon http://l-tike.com/d1/AA02...3l%83b%83g [Edited 11/19/08 13:23pm] allright:) good .. janet needs the money:) good 4 her | |
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VoicesCarry said: ehuffnsd said: a professional would still perform regardless of ticket sales. someone who will remain nameless just performed her lowest selling show of the tour. they curtain off whole sections of the stadium, because people in Detroit couldn't afford their homegirl's show. however she went out there and gave it her all, because those people who were there paid to see her. 
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PatrickS77 said: midnightmover said: Woah! What the fuck are you talking about? Obviously you're on such shaky ground in this argument that you've had to start fictionalising arguments to divert attention away. All I ever said about Janet touring is that she won't tour EUROPE! Nice diversion tactic though.
Well, if I would be bored shitless and if there would be a working search function on this site I would look up the quote for you.. but since there isn't and I'm not, this won't happen... a couple of days ago you said she won't be touring Europe, but a couple of months ago, when she first was talking about going on tour for "Discipline" you were saying she is lying about the tour (like she, according to you, has done in the past) and that she won't go on tour (again like in the past)! Bullshit. And let me add that there is a difference between assumptions and conclusions. You might want to consult a dictionary and work out what the difference is. I do not make assumptions. I draw conclusions. Anyone that can't see that Janet (like her brother) is a serial liar is willfully blinding themselves. [Edited 11/22/08 10:02am] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Shango said: VoicesCarry said:
that is so NOT the right order of fingers! An individualist is a man who lives for his own sake and by his own mind; he neither sacrifices himself to others nor sacrifices others to himself... | |
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Good news for Janet's fans in Japan! I hope for the sake of my friend in Europe, that she goes there next. | |
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sassybritches said: that is so NOT the right order of fingers!  Sue me ... i've been spending some time to find any screenpix of that finger-sequence in the video, with the Janet-pic as only result.
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D! I''ll def go if shes gonna come to europe. | |
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NMusiqNSoul said: D! I''ll def go if shes gonna come to europe.
Me too! only if she's the opening act for Michael though! |
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Top 20 Concert Tours
By The Associated Press • November 19, 2008 The Top 20 Concert Tours ranks artists by average box office gross per city and includes the average ticket price for shows in North America. The previous week's ranking is in parentheses. The list is based on data provided to the trade publication Pollstar by concert promoters and venue managers. 1. (1) Madonna; $6,029,780; $173.03. 2. (2) Celine Dion; $2,543,742; $110.73. 3. (New) Elton John; $2,288,159; $124.94. 4. (3) Neil Diamond; $1,171,195; $86.38. 5. (4) Rascal Flatts; $889,072; $59.34. 6. (5) Janet Jackson; $794,647; $91.87. 7. (6) New Kids On The Block; $775,149; $63.69. 8. (8) Journey; $737,985; $49.22. 9. (7) Luis Miguel; $728,619; $95.07. 10. (11) American Idols Live; $544,754; $60.76. 11. (14) Santana; $435,643; $51.61. 12. (13) Brad Paisley; $434,217; $41.53. 13. (15) Counting Crows / Maroon 5; $381,704; $38.22. 14. (17) So You Think You Can Dance: $320,707; $48.84. 15. (16) The Allman Brothers Band; $307,985; $38.73. 16. (18) Carrie Underwood; $293,170; $48.53. 17. (New) David Copperfield; $284,024; $67.23. 18. (21) Sheryl Crow; $251,615; $57.84. 19. (New) Jeff Dunham; $248,851; $42.53. 20. (New) Simple Plan; $158,333; $38.27. http://www.pal-item.com/a...6/1008/rss | |
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There is alot of ASSUMPTIONS being made.nobody know's the facts to even have a conclusion or a have a crystal ball to predict on what's going to happen next so you are just assuming .anyway I don't think they were origanlly caneclled because of poor tickets, I mean Verona, and conneticut seated around 2,000 , I believe they were both sold out or close to it. there was no reason to cancelle them and how at first they were saying tickets are going to be reseduled. So I think it's more than sales, and I think it probably has more to do with avabitly of the venue , after all we are going to be in the middle of the NBA season pretty soon, so I imagine it's probably is harder to book venues now.
and like I said nobody knows what's going to happended next, it's very well possiable that she could do a second us leg, espeiclly since it seems they are planning on taking the tour to Hawaii, I believe last time she added more Us dates before concluding in Hawaii. so we'll see [Edited 11/22/08 19:13pm] | |
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4. (3) Neil Diamond; $1,171,195; $86.38.
This man is forever on tour selling out. | |
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amit1234 said: 1. (1) Madonna; $6,029,780; $173.03. 2. (2) Celine Dion; $2,543,742; $110.73. WOW massive difference between #1 & #2! i didn't even know Celine is on tour? is it still the Vegas shit? RIP 1958-2016 Prince  RIP 1947-2016 David Bowie
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xperience319 said: amit1234 said: 1. (1) Madonna; $6,029,780; $173.03. 2. (2) Celine Dion; $2,543,742; $110.73. WOW massive difference between #1 & #2! i didn't even know Celine is on tour? is it still the Vegas shit? Yeah she's on tour.She recently had to postpone a bunch of dates because of throat problems.She will continue her tour next month. | |
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where is Tina Turner on that list? I thought her tour was doing well.She recently played two shows in my area,at a very large arena. | |
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