Arnotts said:

Well we already know that he married and fucked Lisa Marie. There is no evidence at all that he has ever had a relationship with a man. Going by that, he's straight 'til he says he ain't.

WildStyle said:

how can you be sure if they really slept with each other? Lisa Marie probably lied.

I think maybe there's a chance he could come out if his parents die.

I hate hate HATE pedophilia and homosexuality being mentioned in the same sentence

midnightmover said:

That doesn't make sense - during that period, Janet was more successful than Madonna.

As for Janet & Mariah, they have been friends for a long time.

midnightmover said:

In the future please refrain from responding to me. thanks

LightOfArt said:

Dude, you've responded to me numerous times, so it's a bit rich to complain when I do the same to you.

midnightmover said:

WildStyle said:

how can you be sure if they really slept with each other? Lisa Marie probably lied.

I think maybe there's a chance he could come out if his parents die.

graecophilos said:

She said it on the Howard Stern show back when her first album came out when she said he used her.

She told Howard that Michael likes to role play.....

and that was then I turned the volume off

LightOfArt said:

WildStyle said:

bboy87 said:

Of course. Michael's whole relationship with Lisa was role playing.

Lisa's made it very clear that Michael was using her to boost his image after the child sex abuse scandal. Everyone knew he was just trying to make himself look straight, but she naively believed his "humble" routine. She wasn't the first or the last person to be taken in by Michael's act.

isa Marie Presley: Oh, God.

Diane Sawyer: Michael Jackson!

Lisa Marie Presley: I thought you were going to go here first. I was hoping you'd forgot.

Diane Sawyer: Why did you marry Michael Jackson?

Lisa Marie Presley: Okay, can I just, well ...

Diane Sawyer: What were you doing?

Lisa Marie Presley: Um, let me, let me now ... I've been trying to go through this. I haven't thought much about this, what I was going to say and I just figured it would fly out of my mouth. Okay, first of all, he was very quick to ... the first time I met him, sit me down and go, "Listen, I'm not gay. I know you think this, I know you think that", and he started cursing and started, you know, being a normal person. And I was like, "Wow!" So I get caught up in that I'm pulled in right away. Like, "Wow, you're so misunderstood. Oh my God, you're this guy." I fell into this whole, "You poor, sweet misunderstood thing, I'm going to save you." I fell into that. I fell in love with him, I did.

Diane Sawyer: In love?

Lisa Marie Presley: Yes, I fell in love at the time. Now ...

Diane Sawyer: Sexual attraction?

Lisa Marie Presley: I told you everything I said was the truth.

Diane Sawyer: Sexual attraction?

Lisa Marie Presley: At the time. Yeah.

Diane Sawyer: What did your mother say?

Lisa Marie Presley: She called me and said, you know, "Oh Lisa, there's helicopters outside the house and they're saying you married Michael Jackson", and I go ... I was just quiet and she goes, "You didn't?" She goes, "You didn't?" And I go, "Yeah, I did" and then it was just, you know, that was that was game on for me. Whoo! Mum doesn't like it, let's go!

Diane Sawyer: She didn't you know you were going to get married?

Lisa Marie Presley: No, no that was quick, that was like run away and do this quick thing.

Diane Sawyer: And you did live together?

Lisa Marie Presley: Yeah.

Diane Sawyer: I didn't believe that.

Lisa Marie Presley: Well, let's just put it this way, if he was in town, he was at my house.

Diane Sawyer: Which was how often?

Lisa Marie Presley: I don't know. It started to get less and less towards the end.

Diane Sawyer: Again, you can slug me on this question but I've got to go back. So these were, like, romantic nights?

Lisa Marie Presley: Mmm, mmm, yeah. I don't remember them very well, but yes. I mean, it was normal. I wasn't going to get married if it wasn't that.

Diane Sawyer: By the time Lisa Marie Presley married Michael Jackson, Jackson reportedly had been treated for addiction to painkillers. He was also under siege. He had been investigated for child molestation with a 12-year-old boy. Jackson settled a civil suit with the family reportedly for millions of dollars and his camp implied he was the victim of extortion.

Lisa Marie Presley: I was already friends with him, there was already some romantic stuff going on a little bit before that happened. So it was like, I was already like, you know, I was the only one he would be calling so I felt all privileged and, you know, that he was trusting me and telling me what happened and it was very convincing and I believed him, at the time.

Diane Sawyer: But she says her mother looked at the timing of the marriage and tried to make her see something else.

Lisa Marie Presley: That's what my mum was trying to point out like "Hello, are you awake? Can you see this might be co-ordinating or coinciding with something else?" And I didn't see that, like, I was young. I don't know. I mean, it looked a little suspicious but at the same time I know that he loved me, you know, as much as he can love someone, I think he did.

Diane Sawyer: What do you mean as much as he can love someone?

Lisa Marie Presley: I just mean, you know, as much as he can be capable of doing that. It's not something he's used to doing is having relationships with women, you know? He's sort of been a one-man show his whole life.

Diane Sawyer: How did it end? What happened?

Lisa Marie Presley: It just kind of went really sour, really fast.

Diane Sawyer: But you filed for divorce from Michael?

Lisa Marie Presley: Yes.

Diane Sawyer: And how did you tell him that was it?

Lisa Marie Presley: It was when he was, you know, it was over the phone. I'd had enough. There was a lot of stuff going on then. It got really ugly at the end. It wasn't pretty but I don't want to get into it.

Diane Sawyer: Did he fight you getting a divorce?

Lisa Marie Presley: No, he ... I think he got on to, you know, getting somebody else pregnant, right? Or having a baby. That's what he wanted. He seemed to get on that pretty quick. You know, I don't know.

Diane Sawyer: Did it shake your confidence?

Lisa Marie Presley: Yeah, I was pretty much needed to be mopped up off the floor after that one.

MJ fans look like loons when they try to prove/disprove anything based on his first marriage...

Just, please let it go...

Even in the interview daq quoted she tries to defend him by saying they lived together, but when Sawyer challenges her on that she says "Well, if he was in town he would come to my house". When asked how often that was she says "I don't know". When asked if these were romantic nights she says "Mmm, mmm, yeah. I don't remember them very well, but yes. I mean, it was normal."..... "I don't remember them very well"?! Best way to mitigate a lie is always to plead a faulty memory. It gives you more room for manouvre. This is clearly a girl walking a thin line between not wanting to lie too blatantly, but also trying not to make herself look like a total sucker at the same time (bare in mind she described him elsewhere as sexually reluctant). Here's an interview where she lays it down more clearly.....


They were introduced at the friend's house, and that is how it started.
'He immediately went into this whole explanation of what he knew people thought of him and what the truth was'.
Which was persuasive?
'Yeah. You get sucked into the 'you poor, misunderstood person, you'. I'm a sucker for that.
After that first conversation, they were friends who talked. Then the child-abuse accusations surfaced, and Michael Jackson's world exploded. 'That whole shit hit the fan', Presley recalls, 'and he was quick to call me and tell me what his side of the story was, so it looked like an extortion situation. I believed him, because he was so convincing'. She frowns wryly. 'I don't know. . . . I just believed everything he said, for some reason. It's very strange, because there's not a lot of people who he'll allow to see who he really is -- there's probably only five or six people, not including kids, who have seen who he really is. But when you do . . . ' She smiles. 'He didn't get where he is because he's an idiot. You see a real person who's very much the opposite of what he was presenting'. Jackson was under attack, and it brought out Presley's protectiveness. 'I got into this whole 'I'm going to save you' thing', she says. 'I thought all that stuff he was doing -- philanthropy and the children thing and all this stuff -- was awesome, and maybe we could save the world together'. She pauses. 'OK. Hello. I was delusionary. I got some romantic idea in my head that I could save him and we could save the world'.
At this point she was still married, and they were yet to become girlfriend and boyfriend. 'He called me a lot', she says. 'Confided in me a lot. Which could be very manipulative -- I don't know. I hung out with him more, and I made the mistake of saying I was not happy in my marriage, and the courting started. And I left [my marriage] probably quicker than I would have, and that was probably one of the bigger mistakes of my whole life'.
When you say 'courting', do you mean as between any boy and girl?
'Yeah. Flowers. Calls. Candies. You name it . . . everything started coming'.
I think people are still pretty incredulous at the idea that you had any kind of normal married relationship with him.
'Right'.
But I presume that is the case.
'That is the case. Like I said, I got caught up in this thing of 'it was all a show'. That was my first experience with being accused of that, which was shocking for me'.
But, to be clear, is it fair to say that in private you were doing all the things that married people do: kissing, going to bed together, having sex?
'Yeah. That was part of it, for a while. And then it became the Def Con 2. It just got really ugly at the end'.
Before that, when it was good, was it your understanding that that was what he wanted?
A pause. 'I don't know what he wanted anymore. I know that it looks very timely for him, in retrospect -- the record was coming out, that other shit was happening, and I was too caught up in . . . ' She stops, and recasts the thought. 'I can tell you my intentions; I can't tell you what his were'.
News of their union leaked out slowly -- of a marriage in the Dominican Republic in May 1994, first denied, then confirmed. Their first surreal public appearance was opening the 1994 MTV Video Music Awards, during which -- as they stood center stage -- Jackson kissed her fully on the lips.
'That was not my idea, by the way', she says. 'I was terrified. It was his manager's idea. I thought it was stupid. All of a sudden I became part of a PR machine'.
It seemed like a blatant gimmick to prove -- to start with -- that he was straight.
'Yeah, but again, I wasn't looking at it like that. See, if I had been, that wouldn't have ever happened'.
Even stranger and more astonishing was the interview the married couple gave to Diane Sawyer in 1995, in which Presley steadfastly defended her husband, the genuineness of their relationship and his character.
'I don't recognize who I was then, now, watching it', she says. 'I was really in this lioness thing with him -- I wanted to protect him. Naive as all hell. I never thought for a moment that someone like him could actually use me for any reason like that. It never crossed my mind, and I don't know why -- I'm sure it crossed everybody else's'.
People are still confused by Michael Jackson's love of a certain kind of relationship with young kids, whether it's totally innocent or not. And you made a huge defense in the Diane Sawyer interview of how you watched him with kids and how it was all totally innocent. Is that what you think on reflection?
'The only thing I can say is that I didn't see anything that would ever allude to that ever. Otherwise I would have been the first one out there going, 'You motherfucker'. I've got children. But I never saw anything like that. I meant what I said when I said it, because I didn't see anything weird or bizarre like that ever. And I did notice that he had an amazing connection to kids, whether it be a small baby or a two-year-old girl or a four-year-old -- children really responded to him'.
Back then did you ever worry or even think whether there could be any truth in what he was accused of?
'Did I ever worry? Of course I fucking worried. Yeah. I did. But I could only come up with what he told me. The only two people that were in the room was him and that kid, so how the hell was I going to know? I could only go off what he told me'.
And what do you think now?
She purses her lips. 'I don't know. I still don't know. I wasn't there.
She says, by way of recap, this: 'I understand it did affect people's perception of me. That's fine; I understand why. But I did fall in love with him. I can't say what his intentions were, but I can tell you mine was that I absolutely fell in love with him and fell into this whole thing which I'm not proud of now'.
Do you rule out that he fell in love with you?
'As much as he can, possibly. I don't know how much he can access love, really. I think as much as he can love somebody he might have loved me. It was always like a mind that was constantly working. It was a scary thing -- somebody who's constantly at work, calculating, calculating, manipulating. And he scared me like that'.

bravo to all of you for keeping this thread alive

midnightmover said:

See, she´s calling the fact that he called her a lot manipulative. Well, maybe she was one of the very few people he trusted at that difficult time, that´s why he called her a lot.

See, it is very easy to start believing that someone used you when everyone around you keeps trying to convince you that way and especially if you have people reacting to that the way Diane did:

And the fact that she gets heavily influenced by what other people say is when she says that the timing was OK perfect for him, but she was the one who made the timing possible, getting divorced at that time and refusing to meet him when he first wanted to meet her. If it was only up to him, the timing would have been shifted. And of course the public got suspicious given what was happening at that time, but she knows he was interested a long time before that, that´s why she says one thing in one interview and another in other interview. She knows the truth about the timing (the truth confirmed even by Priscilla), but the whole world tells her the opposite and how could possibly the whole world be wrong?

In prime time interview she also said that she couldn´t imagine him being like that (sexual) and that he quickly desilusioned her about that idea. Another contradiction from her.

She has contradicted herself so much about him that and obviously her quotes have been misused to many times that she started issuing statements that she does not stand behind some of her interviews. And while midnightmover raised some questions, he/she still did not answer mine.

And for someone who had never worked before, MJ´s working schedule at that time must have scared her.

bboy87 said:

Why? You know we're only gonna force it to be locked.

Timmy84 said:

MJ fans look like loons when they try to prove/disprove anything based on his first marriage...

Just, please let it go...