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PrintableEvvy said: midnightmover said: On the contrary, you quite clearly are agreeing with me. You can't take back your own words now.  You've already admitted that you're just realising what a user he is, and how fake his "humbleness" is. I've known that for years. You're just catching up.  i don't spawn hate based remarks- your spirit sweats negativity
and  - the hell- I don't have to prove myself to you.....When it comes to internet forums I'm more interested in the accuracy of people's judgements than I am in their "spirits". You were wrong about MJ. I was right. My judgement is sharper than yours, which is a fact you MJ fans miss when you get caught up in judging "spirits" rather than looking at logic. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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bboy87 said: NaughtyKitty said: I agree and what is so sad to me is, there was a time when Michael wasnt like this. There was a time when he really actually cared about people and wasnt this calculating, manipulative and heartless serial-user that he's now become. There was a time when Michael was one of the most caring, giving, unselfish and yes innocent people on the planet. And I think he was genuine about it, I dont believe it was all an act. But now, like within the past 15 or so years he's done a complete 180. IMO, what started him on this path was him going thru the first allegations in 1993 with the Chandler family. I believe that whole ordeal devastated him emotionally and he has never recovered from it. I really think it broke his heart when the Chandlers came out with those allegations because Michael had developed a very close relationship with them (minus the father). He basically adopted that family and they adopted him as like the father figure in that family. Michael loved and trusted them--maybe even more than his own real family at the time, and when they accused him of molesting the boy, that was like a knife thru his heart. That whole ordeal hurt him so very badly, more than I think even he realizes. Plus him having to deal with that awful DA Tom Sneddon who subjected Michael to that humiliating physical examination.... 
Yeah, Michael went thru hell and I dont think he's ever emotionally fully recovered from it, and the way he's been treating and using people over the past decade is a result of his emotional wounds from this ordeal. Not that I'm justifying or excusing his behavior, I dont condone his actions at all, but yeah I think the whole 1993 allegations is what started him on this path. I used to really look up to him as a person, but not anymore. On another note, the former nanny is supposed to be testifying today in this case, it will be very interesting to see what she has to say about this whole mess. [Edited 11/19/08 22:06pm] I agree except for one thing. I don't think he's caculating and heartless so much as naive. He probably did feel "Hey, a friend wants to help me out. Free Vacation!" . The Prince even said this isn't personal, just business and that he considers Mike a dear friend. Michael has always dealt with issues like this. Breach of contract, reneging on deals. We just hear more of it due to his inactivity.I see it similarly. I think Mike is highly naive, otherwise he wouldn´t have had released the stupid documentary with Bashit without seeing it first etc. I think he´s just naive and probably has no idea what´s going on with his money. I don´t know what to think about this, but if it´s his fault he´s gonna face the music by having to deal with another lawsuit. I´ll wait till the trial and see where the court proceedings will go. Mike put things in order, you should have time to do it now. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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midnightmover said: seeingvoices12 said: Again don't get it twisted,I understood what evvy said, you obviously don't or you don't what to understand , every single person on the org knows your horrifying hatred for MJ,so any comment from you about MJ won't be taken SeriouslyLOL becasue we all know what you feel about MJ whether its about his music or personal life.....  You obviously don't understand much at all, and you're so horrified to find yourselves agreeing with me that you're in blatant denial. Facts are facts. The fact is you guys have all said you now see Michael as a user. You've said it yourself. He is very different from the angelic manchild he makes himself out to be and you guys are just seeing it. I've been saying that for years. Those are facts. You can't argue with your own words. I know it breaks your heart to realise that I was way ahead of you, but you're just gonna have to accept it and not try to wriggle out of it. 
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When is Michael ever gonna learn?  It's amazing how stupid he is these days.He's always in the news for dumb bullshit like this.One lawsuit after another.I swear,these Jacksons just don't know how to change the subject.I always argue that Janet could easily make people forget about Tittygate if she would only re-invent herself,drop the tired "sex goddess" routine and make a stunning,edgy album for a change.For his part,Michael could be out there touring,making millions and getting attention for his MUSIC,instead of the silly scandals that constantly surround him.These Jacksons never learn 
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VinnyM27 said: He owes everyone money at this point. He owes me at least $10...I bought "Invincible".
 
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As for Michael being naive when it comes to him taking stuff from people and not giving anything back in return because he thinks it was a "gift" to him, yes I think that is partly to blame. However, I still think he's got alot of selfishness in him as well and he just doesnt see or care to see how his actions might hurt other people. And I know there was a time when he wasnt like that, he was just the opposite. A fan posted an excerpt from his autobiography on one of the messageboards, which confirmed to me that yes, Michael had a different outlook on life back then:
...and as for mj.. its sad.. i definitely reflect or wonder on the choices he is making. even if all those largesses he accepted are proven to be gifts, it does not reflect well upon someone who once felt this way:
from moonwalk: One thing I know about children is that if they don't get the love they need from their parents, they'll get it from someone else and cling to that person, a grandparent, anyone. We never had to look for anyone else with my mother around. The lessons she taught us were invaluable. Kindness, love, and consideration for other people headed her list. Don't hurt people. Never beg. Never freeload. Those were sins at our house. She always wanted us to give , but she never wanted us to ask or beg. That's the way she is. The thing is, whether or not Michael was so naive enough to accept the Sheikh's money as nothing more than gifts to him isnt really the point as far as I'm concerned. Its his lack of basic decency that bothers me. I mean, even if someone willingly gives you 7 million, 7, thousand or 700 dollars out of the goodness of their heart as a gift, you should want to at least do something nice for them back in return. If Michael agreed to record the Sheik's songs as well as do those other projects, than he needs to make good on his word--regardless of it was a written contract or Michael told him to his face that he agreed to do these projects. Its the least he could do for someone who took him in and helped get him back on his feet financially after his trial. And if he didnt want to do these projects with the Sheik and had no intention of doing them, then he should have at least have been honest with him and told him that he didnt want to do the projects instead of lying to him and leading him on. But Mike probably felt that if he told him outright that he didnt wanna do it, then his free ride on the Bahraini Luxury Express would've come to a screeching halt. For me, its all about common decency. Michael basically freeloaded off this guy and then cut him out of his life without so much as an afterthought. [Edited 11/20/08 8:09am] MJ L.O.V.E: https://www.facebook.com/...689&type=2 / YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/us...nderSilent | |
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Sheikh: I lent Jackson $1m ... and I gave his brother a Rolls Paul Cheston, Courts Correspondent 20.11.08 AN ARAB sheikh lent Michael Jackson $1million during the fallen pop superstar's child abuse trial, the High Court heard today. But Bahrainian prince Sheikh Abdullah Bin Hamad Bin Isa Al-Khalifa said Jackson thanked him for the loan in 2005 yet did not pay it back. The sheikh also gave the star's brother Jermaine a Rolls Royce and $450,000 as a gift. The prince and the popstar have since fallen out and Sheikh Abdullah is suing Jackson for allegedly breaking a $7million (£4.7million) contract. The second son of the king of Bahrain today told the court that Jackson agreed a contract to sing some of the Sheikh's own songs. He explained his musical ambitions before it unexpectedly emerged that Jackson would come to London to defend his reputation. The star had been due to give evidence via videolink from Los Angeles but his doctor has given him the all clear to cross the Atlantic. He will appear in the witness box on Monday. Sheikh Abdullah today said that he was introduced to Jackson by telephone after writing four songs with brother Jermaine in Bahrain. The sheikh admitted that he had no musical training other than playing the piano as a child. "I write music with producers. I don't write music myself, no," he replied to questioning from Jackson's counsel Robert Englehart QC. "I am very involved in the producing and have a creative input," he said. He also agreed with Mr Englehart that none of the songs he recorded at his Bahrain studio was released and that he spent $450,000 on Jermaine while he stayed in the country from December 2004 to March the following year. The sheikh bought Jermaine the Rolls-Royce when he returned to California. "That was never paid back, was it?" said Mr Englehart. "No," replied Sheikh Abdullah, adding that he did not expect his generosity to be repaid. Mr Englehart said that, before the prince actually met Michael Jackson personally, he had sent the popstar $35,000 and then $1million during his criminal trial in California. "Michael was in need of that and that is correct," said the sheikh. "He thanked me afterwards." The sheikh agreed there was no contract at the time but denied that he provided it as a gift. "These payments were sent to help Michael and many times he confirmed to me he would pay me back." Mr Englehart said there could never be a guarantee that the money would be repaid. "You anticipated that, if Michael was acquitted and came to Bahrain, made records that were released, there might be in the future some money available from the commercial exploitation of the recording?" "Correct," said the sheikh. Bankim Thanki QC, representing the sheikh, had earlier told the court that his client was abandoning part of his claim to force Jackson to honour his agreement. "Sheikh Abdullah does not want any collaboration in the future and nothing more to do with him.In essence, he wants to draw a line through the relationship and, in short, he wants his money back." The pair allegedly had an agreement designed to ensure repayment of the money the sheikh advanced to Jackson. The star travelled to Bahrain in 2005, with his children and staff, at the sheikh's invitation following his acquittal at the criminal trial. The Bahrainian claims they became good friends. Sheikh Abdullah claims he and Jackson entered into a "combined rights agreement", under which the troubled superstar was committed to a recording contract, the production of an autobiography and a musical stage play. Jackson insists there was no valid agreement and says the payments were gifts. The case continues. MJ L.O.V.E: https://www.facebook.com/...689&type=2 / YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/us...nderSilent | |
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PatrickS77 said: Not so sick after all... he plans to show up:
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/...a0823.html Michael Jackson to testify in British court 1 hour 52 mins ago Singer Michael Jackson plans to testify next week in a British court in a lawsuit brought against him by a Bahrain prince, Jackson's lawyer said on Thursday. Skip related content The reclusive 50-year-old is being sued by Sheikh Abdullah bin Hamad al-Khalifa, the second son of the king of Bahrain, who says Jackson reneged on a contract to record a new album and write an autobiography. He also says Jackson owes him $7 million (4.7 million pounds) after the prince paid for his legal costs, travel and other expenses. Jackson spent time in Bahrain as a guest of the royal family following a 2005 trial at the end of which he was acquitted of child molestation charges. "Mister Jackson is intending to travel to this country...and will be available to give evidence to your lordship," Jackson's lawyer Robert Englehart told the High Court in London. The singer is expected to take the witness stand on Monday. Englehart had initially argued that Jackson was unwell and should not travel, handing the judge a report earlier this week on the singer's medical condition. Bankim Thanki, representing al-Khalifa, said the medical evidence produced was "pretty unsubstantial" and that Jackson had a habit of producing a "sick note" when he did not want to turn up in court. He had wanted Jackson to appear in person. Jackson contests that there was no valid agreement with al-Khalifa and that the sheikh's case is based on "mistake, misrepresentation and undue influence." In his pleaded defence, Jackson said the payments he received were "gifts" and that no project was ever finalised. (Reporting by Mike Collett-White, editing by Paul Casciato) I KNEW IT!  | |
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NaughtyKitty said: http://www.thisislondon.c...article.do
Sheikh: I lent Jackson $1m ... and I gave his brother a Rolls Paul Cheston, Courts Correspondent 20.11.08 AN ARAB sheikh lent Michael Jackson $1million during the fallen pop superstar's child abuse trial, the High Court heard today. But Bahrainian prince Sheikh Abdullah Bin Hamad Bin Isa Al-Khalifa said Jackson thanked him for the loan in 2005 yet did not pay it back. The sheikh also gave the star's brother Jermaine a Rolls Royce and $450,000 as a gift. The prince and the popstar have since fallen out and Sheikh Abdullah is suing Jackson for allegedly breaking a $7million (£4.7million) contract. The second son of the king of Bahrain today told the court that Jackson agreed a contract to sing some of the Sheikh's own songs. He explained his musical ambitions before it unexpectedly emerged that Jackson would come to London to defend his reputation. The star had been due to give evidence via videolink from Los Angeles but his doctor has given him the all clear to cross the Atlantic. He will appear in the witness box on Monday. Sheikh Abdullah today said that he was introduced to Jackson by telephone after writing four songs with brother Jermaine in Bahrain. The sheikh admitted that he had no musical training other than playing the piano as a child. "I write music with producers. I don't write music myself, no," he replied to questioning from Jackson's counsel Robert Englehart QC. "I am very involved in the producing and have a creative input," he said. He also agreed with Mr Englehart that none of the songs he recorded at his Bahrain studio was released and that he spent $450,000 on Jermaine while he stayed in the country from December 2004 to March the following year. The sheikh bought Jermaine the Rolls-Royce when he returned to California. "That was never paid back, was it?" said Mr Englehart. "No," replied Sheikh Abdullah, adding that he did not expect his generosity to be repaid. Mr Englehart said that, before the prince actually met Michael Jackson personally, he had sent the popstar $35,000 and then $1million during his criminal trial in California. "Michael was in need of that and that is correct," said the sheikh. "He thanked me afterwards." The sheikh agreed there was no contract at the time but denied that he provided it as a gift. "These payments were sent to help Michael and many times he confirmed to me he would pay me back." Mr Englehart said there could never be a guarantee that the money would be repaid. "You anticipated that, if Michael was acquitted and came to Bahrain, made records that were released, there might be in the future some money available from the commercial exploitation of the recording?" "Correct," said the sheikh. Bankim Thanki QC, representing the sheikh, had earlier told the court that his client was abandoning part of his claim to force Jackson to honour his agreement. "Sheikh Abdullah does not want any collaboration in the future and nothing more to do with him.In essence, he wants to draw a line through the relationship and, in short, he wants his money back." The pair allegedly had an agreement designed to ensure repayment of the money the sheikh advanced to Jackson. The star travelled to Bahrain in 2005, with his children and staff, at the sheikh's invitation following his acquittal at the criminal trial. The Bahrainian claims they became good friends. Sheikh Abdullah claims he and Jackson entered into a "combined rights agreement", under which the troubled superstar was committed to a recording contract, the production of an autobiography and a musical stage play. Jackson insists there was no valid agreement and says the payments were gifts. The case continues. Why was the Prince riding Mike's dick? He sounds like a schoolgirl in some parts. Man I hope MJ don't come in there talking about "I don't know or I don't recall given $1 million by anybody..."
After MJ's testimony, I think they should settle. Mothafuckas trying to do it during Thanksgiving week, nah fuck that. | |
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Ok, this sounds like Bullshit now, just a mil, no wonder MJ thought it was a gift, he gets mils for just showing up at parties, as long as he didn't sign anything binding. WTF does giving a Rolls to Jermaine have to do with Michael. | |
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lilgish said: Ok, this sounds like Bullshit now, just a mil, no wonder MJ thought it was a gift, he gets mils for just showing up at parties, as long as he didn't sign anything binding. WTF does giving a Rolls to Jermaine have to do with Michael.
The singer has admitted that he signed a document which he understood gave him a substantial shareholding in the 2 Seas recording company. But he challenges the sheikh's description of him as "an experienced businessman" and says he never read the terms of the document and was never advised to take independent legal advice. He also claims that the sheikh, a powerful and influential public figure, exercised "undue influence" over him when he was emotionally exhausted after his highly-publicised criminal trial. | |
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lilgish said: lilgish said: Ok, this sounds like Bullshit now, just a mil, no wonder MJ thought it was a gift, he gets mils for just showing up at parties, as long as he didn't sign anything binding. WTF does giving a Rolls to Jermaine have to do with Michael.
The singer has admitted that he signed a document which he understood gave him a substantial shareholding in the 2 Seas recording company. But he challenges the sheikh's description of him as "an experienced businessman" and says he never read the terms of the document and was never advised to take independent legal advice. He also claims that the sheikh, a powerful and influential public figure, exercised "undue influence" over him when he was emotionally exhausted after his highly-publicised criminal trial. And also: "Michael was in need of that and that is correct," said the sheikh. "He thanked me afterwards." The sheikh agreed there was no contract at the time but denied that he provided it as a gift. "These payments were sent to help Michael and many times he confirmed to me he would pay me back."
Ok so at the time there wasnt a contract--but Michael may or may not have signed something later on?? Anyways if he's telling the Sheikh that he's gonna pay him back, he should make good on his word. MJ L.O.V.E: https://www.facebook.com/...689&type=2 / YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/us...nderSilent | |
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Aw hell naw... MIKE!?!
Man, I can already see him denying EVERYTHING: Attorney for sheik: "You KNEW that the prince was offering you a $1 million check and also promised you more money for the record deal you two were shipping, isn't that right, Mr. Jackson?" Michael: " I don't know what you're talking about, I don't know about deal. I don't know much about business."
Attorney for sheik: "But wasn't it you who bought the "Beatles catalog" in 1985? Michael: "  I don't know..."
Attorney for sheik: "Michael, my client said that you are a 'fantastic intellectual, he was riding your d**k, now tell me why are you acting like you don't know what I'm talking about?" Michael: "  Didn't I tell you I don't know what you're talking about? I was trying to take a rest in Bahrain! "
Attorney for sheik: " Really, then why we have YOU in this picture with the sheik in 2006 then with GUY HOLMES? If you really wanted to take a break, why didn't you hide? "
Michael: "Look I was on pills at the time, I don't know who he was." Attorney for sheik: "Michael, we're not in America, this is not like the President of your country, we're talking about a prince to the Bahrain king. "
Michael: " Can I go to the bathroom, your honor?"
London judge: "No, just answer the question THEN go to the bathroom." Michael: " (((SIGH))) Ok, I knew he was a prince, I knew he was rich and I thought he was loyal but apparently when he told me about this record deal, I looked at him like "boy you crazy, I ain't doing business with you." Attorney: "But you recorded one of the guy's songs! "
Michael: "I did that for HIM, for a FAVOR, it wasn't for no record deal." Attorney: "Mr. Jackson, wasn't it you who said in 2002 that you were done with Sony Music?" Michael: "Yes." Attorney: "Then why are you suddenly acting like you don't know if a deal took place?" Michael: "BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANNA DO IT, MAYNE!  "
Judge: "Order in the court." Attorney: " (((SIGH))) Ok, ok, ok... well how about those press statements released by YOUR team and the so-called 2Seas Records crew about how you were excited to do this deal." Michael: "Did I... Mayne... I guess they did, I don't know."
Attorney: " I don't have any more questions."
Judge: "Ok, Mr. Jackson, you can step down now." Michael: "Thank you, your Honor. About time. Let me get my old ass outta here." | |
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^^ Timmy84 said: Why was the Prince riding Mike's dick? He sounds like a schoolgirl in some parts. Man I hope MJ don't come in there talking about "I don't know or I don't recall given $1 million by anybody..."
After MJ's testimony, I think they should settle. Mothafuckas trying to do it during Thanksgiving week, nah fuck that. Maybe cuz Mike was ridin the Prince's dick while in Bahrain? And by that I mean he was livin fat off of the Prince's handouts to him, makin promises to the Prince and then takin off for Las Vegas while leaving the Prince with an empty un-used recording studio and a letter saying Mike dont wanna pursue the buiness ventures anymore. No wonder the Prince is upset. He was basically Michael's sugar daddy but without the benefits! [Edited 11/20/08 9:20am] MJ L.O.V.E: https://www.facebook.com/...689&type=2 / YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/us...nderSilent | |
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still basically agreeing w/ naughty. i don't think it's so strange that mj thought that the prince was helping him out; after all, it came out in his own trial that he had lent $1MM to marlon brando, or paid him for a brief cameo in mj's video, b/c brando said he needed it. perhaps he thought the prince was being compassionate(?)
that said, again, once he realized that wasn't the case he should have paid the prince back, whatever the sum, (though now it seems that $7MM might be a figure the prince is pulling out of his butt). just pay the man, and move on. a couple of weeks back, i was in a discussion w/ midnight about mj where s/he swore up and down that i was mistaken about her/his dismissive posts about mj, since i stated that i had never, ever seen her or him post anything remotely positive about mj, janet, or the jackson family. s/he basically called me a liar. i'm glad to see that i'm not the only poster who picked up on the hate and contempt a long time ago. soul, stop dreaming, man. you know there's no album coming out! | |
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NaughtyKitty said: ^^
Timmy84 said: Why was the Prince riding Mike's dick? He sounds like a schoolgirl in some parts. Man I hope MJ don't come in there talking about "I don't know or I don't recall given $1 million by anybody..."
After MJ's testimony, I think they should settle. Mothafuckas trying to do it during Thanksgiving week, nah fuck that. Maybe cuz Mike was ridin the Prince's dick while in Bahrain? And by that I mean he was livin fat off of the Prince's handouts to him, makin promises to the Prince and then takin off for Las Vegas while leaving the Prince with an empty un-used recording studio and a letter saying Mike dont wanna pursue the buiness ventures anymore. No wonder the Prince is upset. He was basically Michael's sugar daddy but without the benefits!
[Edited 11/20/08 9:20am] That too. | |
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kibbles said: still basically agreeing w/ naughty. i don't think it's so strange that mj thought that the prince was helping him out; after all, it came out in his own trial that he had lent $1MM to marlon brando, or paid him for a brief cameo in mj's video, b/c brando said he needed it. perhaps he thought the prince was being compassionate(?)
that said, again, once he realized that wasn't the case he should have paid the prince back, whatever the sum, (though now it seems that $7MM might be a figure the prince is pulling out of his butt). just pay the man, and move on. a couple of weeks back, i was in a discussion w/ midnight about mj where s/he swore up and down that i was mistaken about her/his dismissive posts about mj, since i stated that i had never, ever seen her or him post anything remotely positive about mj, janet, or the jackson family. s/he basically called me a liar. i'm glad to see that i'm not the only poster who picked up on the hate and contempt a long time ago. Wow, your comprehension levels really are low, aren't they? Everyone knows I have major criticisms of MJ. That's no secret. What I was correcting you on was your claim that I had nothing positive to say about him at all. Most people here know that I think he was an incredible talent. If you'd have read the "Who's a better dancer, Prince or MJ?" thread over on P:M&M you would have seen me mocking the moronic Prince fans who thought Prince could outdance him. MJ is probably the best singer/dancer in musical history. Only JB can touch him in that department. But that doesn't stop him being a self-hating, washed-up paedophile of course. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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At the KOPD, I heard that hundreds of fans are attending Monday. | |
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Timmy84 said: At the KOPD, I heard that hundreds of fans are attending Monday.
Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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Timmy84 said: At the KOPD, I heard that hundreds of fans are attending Monday.
Yeah I read that too. Pathetic isnt it? Leave it to MJ fans to turn court proceedings into a circus MJ L.O.V.E: https://www.facebook.com/...689&type=2 / YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/us...nderSilent | |
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I wish I would take time out of my life to go stand in the cold for a grown man that has more baggage and drama than a traveling theater company. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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NaughtyKitty said: Timmy84 said: At the KOPD, I heard that hundreds of fans are attending Monday.
Yeah I read that too. Pathetic isnt it? Leave it to MJ fans to turn court proceedings into a circus All to prove that Michael is "not a has-been". It's real silly. I mean, damn, is it THAT serious?
You'll have some impersonators in the audience too, I bet cha! I bet cha!
Crazy mothafuckas... | |
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Timmy84 said: NaughtyKitty said: Yeah I read that too. Pathetic isnt it? Leave it to MJ fans to turn court proceedings into a circus All to prove that Michael is "not a has-been". It's real silly. I mean, damn, is it THAT serious?
You'll have some impersonators in the audience too, I bet cha! I bet cha!
Crazy mothafuckas... Yep! It'll be like 2005 all over again. Beyond pathetic... [Edited 11/20/08 9:58am] MJ L.O.V.E: https://www.facebook.com/...689&type=2 / YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/us...nderSilent | |
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SoulAlive said: When is Michael ever gonna learn?
It's amazing how stupid he is these days.He's always in the news for dumb bullshit like this.One lawsuit after another.I swear,these Jacksons just don't know how to change the subject.I always argue that Janet could easily make people forget about Tittygate if she would only re-invent herself,drop the tired "sex goddess" routine and make a stunning,edgy album for a change.For his part,Michael could be out there touring,making millions and getting attention for his MUSIC,instead of the silly scandals that constantly surround him.These Jacksons never learn
Memo to Michael: Now would probably be a good time to announce the new CD and the tour itinerary for 2009.You know....to change the subject a little To be honest, I don't think a "comeback" is a good idea, because it would just turn into another PR disaster and taint his legacy still further (just like the 2001 "comeback" did). He is a shadow of his former self nowadays and a comeback would only advertise that fact. Remember his comeback performance at the WMAs 2006? There were reports on the news here in the UK about how his voice "just wasn't there". They even had a vocal coach on to try and work out what's happened to his voice. Far from changing the subject it just made things even worse. Remember MSG 2001? What makes you think it would be any different this time? The truth is there are other things in life than music. His real problem is that he hasn't found anything to fill the space that music once had in his life. This is a problem sportsmen often face when their playing days are behind them. But the worse thing he can do is to halfheartedly dabble in something he knows he's not committed to anymore. And make no mistake, he will never get back the passion (or ability) he once had. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: kibbles said: still basically agreeing w/ naughty. i don't think it's so strange that mj thought that the prince was helping him out; after all, it came out in his own trial that he had lent $1MM to marlon brando, or paid him for a brief cameo in mj's video, b/c brando said he needed it. perhaps he thought the prince was being compassionate(?)
that said, again, once he realized that wasn't the case he should have paid the prince back, whatever the sum, (though now it seems that $7MM might be a figure the prince is pulling out of his butt). just pay the man, and move on. a couple of weeks back, i was in a discussion w/ midnight about mj where s/he swore up and down that i was mistaken about her/his dismissive posts about mj, since i stated that i had never, ever seen her or him post anything remotely positive about mj, janet, or the jackson family. s/he basically called me a liar. i'm glad to see that i'm not the only poster who picked up on the hate and contempt a long time ago. Wow, your comprehension levels really are low, aren't they? Everyone knows I have major criticisms of MJ. That's no secret. What I was correcting you on was your claim that I had nothing positive to say about him at all. Most people here know that I think he was an incredible talent. If you'd have read the "Who's a better dancer, Prince or MJ?" thread over on P:M&M you would have seen me mocking the moronic Prince fans who thought Prince could outdance him. MJ is probably the best singer/dancer in musical history. Only JB can touch him in that department. But that doesn't stop him being a self-hating, washed-up paedophile of course. and as i said at the time, i had never ever seen you post anything remotely positive about him and i could only speak to what i've seen of your posts. this effusive praise about his talent i had never seen before. still, i think it is worth noting that others see you as a hateful a**hole when it comes to mj, as well. | |
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JackieBlue said: I wish I would take time out of my life to go stand in the cold for a grown man that has more baggage and drama than a traveling theater company.
SHIT! I'm like what Steve Harvey said: I'll support Mike but I'll support him "over there tho". I wish my black ass WOULD be out in the COLD for a celebrity! I'll be over at the pub.
"Why are you not at Michael's trial? "
"Fuck that shit, he only gonna be there for an hour, he ain't on tour. "
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kibbles said: midnightmover said: Wow, your comprehension levels really are low, aren't they? Everyone knows I have major criticisms of MJ. That's no secret. What I was correcting you on was your claim that I had nothing positive to say about him at all. Most people here know that I think he was an incredible talent. If you'd have read the "Who's a better dancer, Prince or MJ?" thread over on P:M&M you would have seen me mocking the moronic Prince fans who thought Prince could outdance him. MJ is probably the best singer/dancer in musical history. Only JB can touch him in that department. But that doesn't stop him being a self-hating, washed-up paedophile of course. and as i said at the time, i had never ever seen you post anything remotely positive about him and i could only speak to what i've seen of your posts. this effusive praise about his talent i had never seen before. still, i think it is worth noting that others see you as a hateful a**hole when it comes to mj, as well. Which just goes to show the dangers of talking before you're in possession of the facts. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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NaughtyKitty said: Timmy84 said: All to prove that Michael is "not a has-been". It's real silly. I mean, damn, is it THAT serious?
You'll have some impersonators in the audience too, I bet cha! I bet cha!
Crazy mothafuckas... Yep! It'll be like 2005 all over again. Beyond pathetic...
[Edited 11/20/08 9:58am] Yeah, that was just embarrassing. I mean... damn... | |
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Timmy84 said: At the KOPD, I heard that hundreds of fans are attending Monday.
That's all the fans have nowadays. I'm excited to see what happens | |
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Timmy84 said: NaughtyKitty said: Yep! It'll be like 2005 all over again. Beyond pathetic...
[Edited 11/20/08 9:58am] Yeah, that was just embarrassing. I mean... damn... I wonder if Dove Lady will be there again But if this is gonna be like 2005, I can only hope that the E! channel will reprise their court trial re-enactments like they did for the 2005 trial. That show was hilarious! That would be brilliant if they could do a re-enactment of this trial as well MJ L.O.V.E: https://www.facebook.com/...689&type=2 / YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/us...nderSilent | |
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