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Reply #60 posted 11/16/08 4:55pm

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lastdecember said:
MikeMatronik said:
If it was today, the WB would have dropped Prince after the Dirty Mind LP. He would have been considered an one hit wonder (I wanna be your lover).



Exactly, and a host of others would be dropped and not allowed to grow. Heres who would be dropped in a second....

U2,Rem,Depeche Mode,The Cure,Inxs pretty much every RB band like Kool and the Gang, Earth Wind, etc...


Absolutely. nod Prince would have been gone, if not after Dirty Mind, then certainly after Controversy. We would have never seen the likes of 1999 or Purple Rain. U2 would have been dumped after War, because the record labels wouldn't consider a mid-level top 40 hit like "New Year's Day" to be worthy enough of re-signing the band to any more albums. Then we would have never gotten The Unforgettable Fire, which gave U2 their first top 10 single in "Pride (In The Name of Love)" nor would we have gotten their critical and commercial masterpiece The Joshua Tree. R.E.M. would have been dumped after Life's Rich Pageant, which would have prevented them from releasing Document, which gave them their first top ten single with "The One I Love". The Cure would have been dumped as too weird to be commercially successful, and INXS would have been dropped just prior to releasing Kick, which became their most successful album.

estelle81 said:

"American Idol" is a disturbing production, but it's garnering millions of viewers and that's mind-blowing and sad all at the same time. It's sad when you hear regular people with very good voices having to lower themselves to do this show because they can't get the attention of a record label otherwise. As much as I dislike the show, it does put people who don't have this big image in the spotlight for being singers...unfortunately, it ends up making them images in the end. It's got it's good and bad, mostly bad, elements to it. The contestants sing covers of many great songs that young audiences would never think to listen to so it's good in that aspect, but then many of the contestants butcher the song, so that's bad for them and could be bad for the song also.


I'm going to have to disagree with you a bit here. American Idol is an entertaining show, and it does serve a useful purpose in weeding out people who think they can sing from people who actually can. Now I have issues with all of the theme nights they have for the contestants which tend to eliminate signers who are probably really good at one genre (rock) but suck at others (country, disco) - and most likely they would never record music in that genre anyway - but it does present people who have the chops to potentially become great pop singers.

Having said that, the most groundbreaking artists in rock and roll and pop music have rarely come out of the mainstream, and in most cases they were hated and/or underappreciated until they had been in the business for a long time or until years after they recorded their last album. Jimi Hendrix would have never made it big if the music industry had used our current standards at that time, and neither would Led Zeppelin nor the Grateful Dead have become icons either. In fact, record companies didn't even know what to do with Nirvana when they first came out, and the subsequent smash success of "Teen Spirit" was essentially a fluke. But once they blew up, the record companies were all rushing their A&R scouts to Seattle to find the next big grunge band.

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Reply #61 posted 11/16/08 5:32pm

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Timmy84 said:

VinnyM27 said:


Donna Summer released an album and a double album in 1977 (so about 3 albums). In recent times, it took her 17 years to get a studio album out there. Partially, that is her "fault" (family, working on a play that never saw the light of day, greatest hits with one offs, etc.) but bad labels towing with her only to try and capitalize on her.

In 1994, she worked with Polygram (who bought up Casablanca, her seventies label and the one she released the contractual 1983 hit album, "She Works Hard...", for) for the rerelease of her albums on CD plus a greatest hits ("Endless Summer") with two new tracks and "Christmas Spirit". I believe the hopes where that she would release a new studio album.

1999, with Epic (Sony) she releases "Live and More Encore" with two new studio recordings, both dance #1s (one making an OK but not impressive mark on the pop charts). This time, she really started working on an album and the tracks that leaked (through single releases and 30 second snippets on her site) were really good. Sadly, she was dropped or left perhaps when Tommy, who was very pro-Donna, went.

2003. Back to Polygram for "The Journey: The Very Best of Donna Summer". As I believe the Millie Jackson album is titled, "Back To the Shit". Not sure what it was called at this time...maybe Def Jam...Island? Again, two more tracks plus a truly "previously recorded" song titled "You're So Beautiful", intended for that Sony. Smart cookie, I believe Donna owns these "Sony" songs. A surprising stand alone single release in 2004, "I Got Your Love", from those same sessions came out. One of the worst stringings along but thankfully short but thankfully she rebounded nicely with "Crayons"....5 years isn't super long considering the 12 before!

I know Donna might not be as respected as Stevie Wonder or some of the other names mentioned, but I consider her a legend, especially in her genre. When it comes to releasing new music, certainly don't treat the legends we have well. The industry should be ashamed for this, too. But on top of that, of course, the fact that competition is decreasing and letting artists have more freedom is out of the question, too, we probably won't see anyone from this generation become like anybody from the 60s or 70s...let alone the 80s!


Exactly. From 1974 to now, Donna Gaines Sudano, aka Donna Summer worked hard. Still does. And her new album shows she can take risks, not everybody has to like it but hell, I wish every artist today was like that instead of trying to create "hits".


Donna Adrian Gaines Sudano. rolleyes
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Reply #62 posted 11/16/08 5:40pm

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estelle81 said:

VinnyM27 said:



You do! It's not her best and I would even say that I prefer many of her one off tracks from the nineties onwards but it's good and has a variety of styles, strong vocals and some good hooks. It's sales I believe were below expectations (I think they excepted 100K in the US and where probably crossing their fingers for big numbers). If you are in the US, try to pick it up at Circuit City with the bonus track "It's Only Love". If not, you can find that track on online music services. It's great chill out dance.


Thanks, I will have to hit up the Circuit City now. I've always loved her voice and she's just classic all around, so I may have to get some of her older albums as well. It's sad that her label wants to turn her into numbers, because she's an icon and deserves more than that. She looks great for being 60 to. nod


It was an exclusive and they say limited edition that came out during it's release in May. My thought is that they probably ONLY carry that edition in their stores, but who knows. You might be lucky (or unlucky) if the store around you is closing because you might get a discount...or they will be sold out. Make sure it says it on there, though. It's not a hidden bonus track. Says it on the packaging.

I understand the label's expectations. Doesn't mean she will get dropped. With stuff like appearances on ET and AI, they might have figured it was going to sell slightly better. Also, this might not be true. Someone just said on another board that the goal of the label, Burgandy (a small inprint of Sony specializing in more seasoned artists that do not want to be gobbled up by bigger label but still wanting to be screwed over by the problems indies have) is that they want all their releases to sell about that much. Maybe to recoup costs....who knows. I don't think Donna had huge selling singles but they probably didn't do badly considering they had so many remixes and both Donna and dance fans will buy those.
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Reply #63 posted 11/16/08 5:43pm

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VinnyM27 said:

Timmy84 said:



Exactly. From 1974 to now, Donna Gaines Sudano, aka Donna Summer worked hard. Still does. And her new album shows she can take risks, not everybody has to like it but hell, I wish every artist today was like that instead of trying to create "hits".


Donna Adrian Gaines Sudano. rolleyes


Well excuse me, Vinny. lol
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Reply #64 posted 11/16/08 5:46pm

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Timmy84 said:

VinnyM27 said:



Donna Adrian Gaines Sudano. rolleyes


Well excuse me, Vinny. lol

:lol:Just remember...DAGS (she would have the same initials as David Allen Grier, DAG, if she didn't marry Bruce).
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Reply #65 posted 11/16/08 5:47pm

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VinnyM27 said:

Timmy84 said:



Well excuse me, Vinny. lol

lol Just remember...DAGS (she would have the same initials as David Allen Grier, DAG, if she didn't marry Bruce).


lol That's interesting. biggrin
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Reply #66 posted 11/16/08 5:52pm

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728huey said:[quote]lastdecember said:
MikeMatronik said:

Absolutely. nod Prince would have been gone, if not after Dirty Mind, then certainly after Controversy. We would have never seen the likes of 1999 or Purple Rain. U2 would have been dumped after War, because the record labels wouldn't consider a mid-level top 40 hit like "New Year's Day" to be worthy enough of re-signing the band to any more albums. Then we would have never gotten The Unforgettable Fire, which gave U2 their first top 10 single in "Pride (In The Name of Love)" nor would we have gotten their critical and commercial masterpiece The Joshua Tree. R.E.M. would have been dumped after Life's Rich Pageant, which would have prevented them from releasing Document, which gave them their first top ten single with "The One I Love". The Cure would have been dumped as too weird to be commercially successful, and INXS would have been dropped just prior to releasing Kick, which became their most successful album.

estelle81 said:

"American Idol" is a disturbing production, but it's garnering millions of viewers and that's mind-blowing and sad all at the same time. It's sad when you hear regular people with very good voices having to lower themselves to do this show because they can't get the attention of a record label otherwise. As much as I dislike the show, it does put people who don't have this big image in the spotlight for being singers...unfortunately, it ends up making them images in the end. It's got it's good and bad, mostly bad, elements to it. The contestants sing covers of many great songs that young audiences would never think to listen to so it's good in that aspect, but then many of the contestants butcher the song, so that's bad for them and could be bad for the song also.


I'm going to have to disagree with you a bit here. American Idol is an entertaining show, and it does serve a useful purpose in weeding out people who think they can sing from people who actually can. Now I have issues with all of the theme nights they have for the contestants which tend to eliminate signers who are probably really good at one genre (rock) but suck at others (country, disco) - and most likely they would never record music in that genre anyway - but it does present people who have the chops to potentially become great pop singers.

Having said that, the most groundbreaking artists in rock and roll and pop music have rarely come out of the mainstream, and in most cases they were hated and/or underappreciated until they had been in the business for a long time or until years after they recorded their last album. Jimi Hendrix would have never made it big if the music industry had used our current standards at that time, and neither would Led Zeppelin nor the Grateful Dead have become icons either. In fact, record companies didn't even know what to do with Nirvana when they first came out, and the subsequent smash success of "Teen Spirit" was essentially a fluke. But once they blew up, the record companies were all rushing their A&R scouts to Seattle to find the next big grunge band.

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I agree but im gonna have to disagree on the American Idol point becuase i feel its not a contest of the best voice or talent its more on popularity of the person, their attitude,etc...i do believe for the most part the ones that have one have been talented, but there are alot of mistakes with the show, i mean Taylor hicks beating katharine Mcphee? the show should have been cancelled just for this. I think this show lets in too many gimmicks for its ratings, they should really restrict things, force heavier competition, shit make them compose their own song as a challenge, thats what that show with jewel makes them do

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Reply #67 posted 11/16/08 6:12pm

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lastdecember said:

728huey said:

lastdecember said:

I'm going to have to disagree with you a bit here. American Idol is an entertaining show, and it does serve a useful purpose in weeding out people who think they can sing from people who actually can. Now I have issues with all of the theme nights they have for the contestants which tend to eliminate signers who are probably really good at one genre (rock) but suck at others (country, disco) - and most likely they would never record music in that genre anyway - but it does present people who have the chops to potentially become great pop singers.

Having said that, the most groundbreaking artists in rock and roll and pop music have rarely come out of the mainstream, and in most cases they were hated and/or underappreciated until they had been in the business for a long time or until years after they recorded their last album. Jimi Hendrix would have never made it big if the music industry had used our current standards at that time, and neither would Led Zeppelin nor the Grateful Dead have become icons either. In fact, record companies didn't even know what to do with Nirvana when they first came out, and the subsequent smash success of "Teen Spirit" was essentially a fluke. But once they blew up, the record companies were all rushing their A&R scouts to Seattle to find the next big grunge band.

typing


I agree but im gonna have to disagree on the American Idol point becuase i feel its not a contest of the best voice or talent its more on popularity of the person, their attitude,etc...i do believe for the most part the ones that have one have been talented, but there are alot of mistakes with the show, i mean Taylor hicks beating katharine Mcphee? the show should have been cancelled just for this. I think this show lets in too many gimmicks for its ratings, they should really restrict things, force heavier competition, shit make them compose their own song as a challenge, thats what that show with jewel makes them do


Like I said, American Idol is run by pussies.
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