Anyone who says the industry isnt full of the "whats acceptable for a male and not for a female" artist double standard is SMOKING SOME GOOD SHIT. If anyone doesnt believe that if a male artist does a "sexy" video he is called Hot, and when a female does she is called a "slut and ho", once again youre smoking some good shit and please pass it down.

The latest example of this comes today as "reach out" the new video by Hilary Duff, has been "ordered" to be re-edited to eliminate a scene where she is wearing a blindfold and appearing with a guy with his shirt off, according to the networks, this is simulating sex and bondage. However current videos by Usher which is bordering on Showtimes soft porn, and past videos by Nine Inch Nails and Marilyn Manson, which didnt "simulate" they showed bondage in their videos, no holds barred. Hilary let the video be censored mainly because she has already left the label and really doesnt have a care in this case, but its still yet another example of this double standard.

who cares its all nasty skanky dirty whatever. and desperate male or female.

regardless being sexy ultimately is NOT going to sell albums. Everyone out here in the music biz is half naked and still not selling. ex: PCDS

TotalAlisa said:

you are missing the point, its not about even being sexy, its about making your own statement, whoever asks a male artist to "Tone it down"? the answer, no one. And considering that female artists are the "lifeline" of the industry, if you take them out, the industry would collapse from no money.

lastdecember said:

hum, lets think... I would think there are some women out here who think lil wayne and other rappers should tone it down with their lyrics.

TotalAlisa said:

thats also not the point, the point is a label or a network forcing them to do it. Aint no network forcing Lil Wayne or Usher or any male to tone down anything.

lastdecember said:

they aren't telling girls like cassie to tone down anything either. I mean most of these women are still out here naked so the record label isnt' doing that for male or female

TotalAlisa said:

Cassie doesnt even have anything out to tone down, so where is that point. The point is WHEN they are telling artists to "tone it down" its always FEMALE not MALE and its always been that way. Shit they used to tell Mary Tyler Moore her sweaters were too tight back in the 60's and she had to change. So if you think that this double standard doesnt exist then well you are living in a different world, women face just as much predjudice in this industry that THEY MAKE RUN

Surely you're not saying that male artists can be sexy/half nude and female artists are not allowed to be sexy/half nude.

You must be referring specifically to the subject matter men get away with vs women?

But it's different for different people. Hillary Duff is a disney star. Marilyn Manson is a freak. People will accept more from him. Madonna has gotten away with crawling on all fours and lapping milk from a bowl.

lastdecember said:

lol ... and yes, the double standard does exist... it is what it is.. guys can get away with stuff females can't..

NDRU said:

But Hilary duff hasnt been in anything Disney in almost a decade and she isnt under their rule at this point, if she was in Lizzie Mcquire now and doing a half naked video they might have a case to call for an edit

I love it when you get worked up

lastdecember said:

You two need your own show

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Well its crazy that someone felt the need to call for an edit in this day and age, also furthered this countrys hang up on stupid shit.

lastdecember said:

When other girls are reaching up and yanking out their fallopian tubes to use as sex weapons, I agree censoring Hillary Duff is ridiculous

lastdecember said:

Disney may not be the best example since Britney is Disney, too.

But my point is it seems like every woman is half naked in videos nowadays (in both men's & women's videos).

I think some of the more conservative acts like her get scrutinized more closely, but Britney & Beyonce & Madonna have been all about sex right from the start.

Is the double standard the actual content (S&M or whatever) or just sexiness? If you think it's just the sexiness, I disagree completely.

lastdecember said:

i was just on cassies youtube channel and she had some photo shoot and i just saw her video official girl and she was in a brazillian bikini the WHOLE VIDEO. she needs to tone it down. and the photo shoot she was basically in her undies.

she is NOT talented and than dresses like a common. She actually is gorgeous but her personality makes her boring.

TotalAlisa said:

Cassie is a model, always was, thats what she is signed as, she is signed to 6 clothing lines thats why she has all those photoshoots, so if Justin Timberlake can pose on Rolling Stone with no shirt what is "his message"?

NDRU said:

But Britney is 2 years from turning 30! I mean her disney days are over, thats why she sells about a million now, compared to when she sold a million a day. The double standard is both, the whole Duff video is an exact play on the Depeche Mode song "personal jesus" which if everyone remembers that video and what the song was really about, it had its own "dark sexual tone" to it. And the double standard exists, i never hear anyone calling for "re-edits" of videos, can u imagine a label calling for re-edits of Rap videos or Rb videos, shit those things would be chopped up 24/7. Which again shows the double standard, WOMEN can be used to sell a males music but GOD FORBID its used the other way around, then shes the ho or slut or whatever word people who dont even know what the word mean use. Folks if you think Hilary Duff or whomever is a skank or ho you really need to get out the house more, because you are serioulsy warped.

lastdecember said:

um i DON'T care if she is model. You don't have to be naked all the time. I mean all her photos look like she is in panties. This sexual image is so overplayed it means NOTHING anymore. sex is not selling anymore. I think people want real artists. And music sales are reflecting this. The music industry try to take the cheap and easy way out but its catching up to them.

Cassie is an artist that if someone liked a few of her songs they would download them for free. But real artist you want to support them and will go out and buy their albums.

lastdecember said:

why do you care so much????? Unless you want more women dressing like skanks. ITS NOT ALRIGHT. two wrongs dont' make a right. Just because men are doing it does not mean women should to.

If a man takes off his shirt WHO CARES, men can do that. Women can't.

Who cares about double standards you cannot change. And hopefully as many women that you have been with in the bed, lets hope you get a women who has been with as many men. and lets see if you don't care about double standards

TotalAlisa said:

TotalAlisa said:

Ok well this is not about the industry, lets get something straight, SALES are reflecting EVERYONE stealing music, lets get off the dime already and stop believing this crap that people are "supporting", bullshit, people want music for free regardless if its an artist or if its a model who sings. ITS OVER for music as a "selling point" wave goodbye to it, its done, stop living in the 90's no one sells or makes any money in music at this point, case closed. Read the writing on the wall, Best Buy just said last week its thinking of not carrying cds in certain locations? OK did everyone hear that, the top music seller at this point, is saying its not gonna carry music at all locations, Virgin Megastore is closing all stores by the end of 2009, Circuit City officially filed for chapter 11, Sam Goody will close all its locations in 18 months, FYE will close 300 stores by the end of next year, and the Apple music chain is downsizing, you all know APPLE thats the digital place, you know the thing of the "future" well guess what the FUTURE aint bright for talent or no talent. So this is not about SELLING, who gives a crap this topic has nothing to do with that, start another thread if people wanna talk about sales, i could give two shits about sales, and the theory that people support "Artists" is a crock of shit, sorry, but thats a dream. A very small % support artists, if people supported "artists" then Ryan Adams would be on everyone radio station not TPAIN or AKON.

TotalAlisa said:

Actually women can do that in almost every country except "the backwards" USA. And wow what a dumb ass statement, truth again that religion warps peoples minds, do yourself a favor, buy a ticket to "Religilous" you might learn something, worth learning

TotalAlisa said:

I'll care because its a freaking double standard. Alright i work around this crap all the time, i work in films and have to deal with casting people and see the bullshit that goes on 24/7 with double standards. things like "latin actors" always have to be gang members or have lots of kids in films, stupid ass shit like that, because one belief leads to another. OK so do me a favor talk friggin sense, and not dumb ass crap, if you dont agree on the double standard, then dont agree, and the next time you see a girl in a mini skirt and call her a slut ask yourself why you think like that, and how that type of thinking leads to all the other predjudices

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Yeah one a second im in bed with Cassie right now as i write this, what a bunch of nonsense

lastdecember said:

you know honestly and no offense... you're gonna be mad for a long time about this double standard thing.... cause that double standard is not going to leave.. it may not sound right, but the way women are viewed is that they can not do what guys can do... like TotalAdisa said too.. a dude can sleep with 20 chicks and it's a badge of honor for him... let a woman do that see what kinda title she gets lol .. that double standard will never leave..

The "double standard" thing has been going down since popular music began, it'll never change.

It may not change but as a guy I can say yes the double standard is there and its fucked up so I do understand lastdecember's frustration.

NMusiqNSoul said:

Absolutely but I notice it every time I hear of shit like this.

Long post

So the older I get, the more divided I get on this issue.

I do agree with you Last, that women are unfairly targeted if they present any kind of sexuality. Unless it's the grovelling, regressing type like Katy Perry's lyrics and video (i was drunk i swear! it's all a dream! I have a boyfriend!)

But at the same time, some female "artists" solely rely on sex over and over again to the point where people cannot differenciate between "self expression" and "tits and ass for money".

I guess if you look at male artist's sexual videos, it's more the WOMEN in the videos that portray the sexuality aspect. Usher might be shirtless or JT might be grinding up against a girl, but they don't have close ups of their crotches, they don't have fake appendages bursting out of their pants like women with fake boobs do. They don't drape themselves all over the women and act like sex slaves towards them. And 9 times out of 10, these male artists possess something to make up for it whether it's Usher's dancing skills, JT's instrument playing or his dancing skills. Male artists never SOLELY seem to be about sex. Even Chris Brown who seems like the perfect puppet writes and contributes 10 times more than Rihanna does.

I guess if female artists gave more input into their work maybe people would look past the sexuality or it wouldn't seem as bad? It's when sex seems like a selling point that people get pissed off. Oh look, Britney's naked AGAIN. I'm a huge Britney fan but that even pissed ME off. She looked great but damn, we've seen it all before. Learn an instrument! Write a whole song! Break new ground! Do something different!

It gets boring and generic.

Same goes for PCD. It was good to see them singing about something different in When I Grow Up and the video was pretty good too. But they bombed.

I always felt annoyed at Nicole Sherzinger. She had potential to be HUGE and "left" the PCD at the right time to embark on a solo career. But then it was like she just sat around waiting for the right "hit" to come along, couldn't find it so went back to the PCD. Can you imagine JT sitting around waiting for a hit then going back to N*Sync? NOPE! There's the whole issue about what her team will let her do, yes, but if she comes up with an amazing song, video concept and new album ideas - surely they'd embrace that? If a record label can learn to embrace sexyback, surely they'd embrace women's ideas too?

Sexuality in videos just seems to be something female artists fall back on these days, so it's no wonder people get fed up or angry about it. If it was shown that women do try hard behind the scenes, maybe attitudes would change?

For instance, I never even knew Nelly Furtado played guitar til I came across a youtube video one day. Why couldn't she play guitar in one of her music videos? Why hasn't Madonna ever played guitar in a video? JT hasn't directly played one in his videos but he's at least had them around him and he's exposed the fact that he writes a lot.

Why does Mariah sex it up in EVERY GODDAMN VIDEO? You see? It's gotten to a point where it's not even about sex any more. It's just what female artists do and that's quite disturbing.
[Edited 11/12/08 1:48am]