Moonbeam said:

then she should have done it back then. when people still knew who she was.

AaronUnlimited said:

But this list didn't surface until 2002.

Moonbeam said:

Rolling Stone frequently puts out "women in rock" issues. Surely you remember the one with Tina Turner, Madonna, and Courtney Love on the cover from 1997.

AaronUnlimited said:

They belong though. Joan speaks with a certain authority and I think her complaints are legitimate and timely. I'll bet she would have complained in a similar manner if a list of undeserving wannabes filled it back in the day.

Moonbeam said:

the complaints are legitimate and timely. Joan Jett doing it is not. Joan Jett complaining in a timely fashion would have been sometime in the 80's when Madonna, Whitney, Janet, Debbie, Tiffany, and others were ruling "rock."

What's her problem anyway? I mean, really, is she so short-sighted and narrow-minded to realize that "rock" has always been a catch-all for basically all "pop" music for the last 20 years?

hey, I just got a shitload of the yeah yeah yeahs on kazaa - they're cool as hell! thanks Joan

the distillers - not so good.

Wow,what a letter! I dare Rolling Stone to print it.

Someone above said "Joan who"?? So sad that people today don't know anything about music and it's roots. Someone else said she sounds "petty". This is such bullshit and some of you have no friggin idea what you are talking about. She is 100% correct and has the balls to say what's on her mind. Those of you that think Pink, Shakira, Britney and others will still be around years from now have no clue what musical integrity really means.

kisscamille said:

90% of the fools who think they know music wouldn't even know her roots with the Runaways and just what that band meant to the rock etc movement etc. It is tantamount to fools who dont realize the importance of Dirty Mind and Joshua Trees' flipside. There are a lot of ignorant people who buy music,who work for music magazines, in the industry etc.

Yes rdhull, you are correct. Many people who work in the music industry are extremely ignorant. It's a sad state of affairs. Rolling stone is not even a decent mag these days. It sucks badly and I'm sure the only people that still buy it are teenagers or long time fans that just can't let it go. I think Joan has guts to write that letter and I hope many more people get the opportunity to read it. I am not a huge fan of Joans music, but I do respect her views and I agree with them too.

kisscamille said:

Joan Jett is not the roots of music or rock.

I never said she was the roots of music or rock. You should actually read my post and you will see what I said and didn't say.

kisscamille said:

what you

said was

in which you implied that Joan Jett is at the roots of rock and that someone who might not have heard of this 1 hit wonder from almost 20 years ago is stupid or ignorant.

The subject and her letter were about influential women in rock. I believe she is one of them, even if I am not a big fan. That's what I meant. Sorry for any confusion.

Everything written in that letter is true and it doesn't sound like she is whining. Music is becoming so much about image now that the music quality itself doesn't matter much anymore. MTV/TRL is a big fault in this 2. It's almost as if MTV is the make or break factor in the music business.

I love it!

Then:


Now:


I think she friggin' rocks man! Every word is dead on it!

Oh, by the way, From the Joan Jett Message Board:
This Joan Jett Message Board is NOT associated with Blackheart Records. A link has been provided as an open forum for Joan Jett fans who wish to post their thoughts and opinions.

At the bottom of the letter it says it's from Maya Price-

I read the letter and I agree with what she said. Went to the site and I think it's important to note that SHE did not write that letter.

AaronUnlimited said:

This is way off. To call Joan Jett a one-hit wonder is like calling Elvis Costello or Frank Zappa a one-hit wonder. First, she has more than one huge hit, and second, she is very important. Joan Jett is a PIONEER. She started the Runaways at age FIFTEEN. They rocked hardcore before Blondie or the Pretenders came along. Joan Jett was and is a visionary and to label her a one-hit wonder is disgusting!

Moonbeam said:

now that would be incorrect. those are NO hit wonders



what's the other one?



let me get you a barf bag then, because here i go...

that's great and all that she was a "pioneer" and started some band at age 15. lots of people are in bands at 15. lots of people are in bands at the age of 15 that no one's heard of or cares about. Joan Jett was one of them. i pose this question: if the greatest band who ever lived performed a concert or put out the most mind-blowing album in history and no one ever heard of it, then are they still great? can they be considered pioneers?

AaronUnlimited said:

-Crimson and Clover
-Do You Wanna Touch Me (Oh Yeah!)
-Fake Friends
-Light of Day
-I Hate Myself for Loving You
-Little Liar
-Dirty Deeds

All of the above made the US top 40



If you think that no one has heard of the Runaways of cares about them, that's your issue. She has been cited by MANY of her successors as an enormous influence. Just because she hasn't sold albums like Madonna does not imply that she was not influential. David Bowie has not had an album go more than platinum here. Is he it not great or influential as a result? Your argument holds no weight.

Moonbeam said:

so did Madonna's "Bad Girl" ... do you consider that a hit?



which successors?

and about Bowie... good question. I choose not to answer because the answer will be unpopular and might fly in the face of my love for Bowie. and I just don't really want to ever get into a conversation about it.

AaronUnlimited said:

Yes, I consider it a hit. Hit = top 40. Then there are songs that don't make the top 40, but are still hits- like "Into the Groove" for example. In any case, "Crimson and Clover," "Do You Wanna Touch Me?," "I Hate Myself for Loving You" and "Little Liar" were all massive! She also has lots of classic non-hits like "Bad Reputation" and "Cherry Bomb."



Deborah Harry
Pretenders
Pat Benatar
L7
Bikini Kill

These are the only ones I know of directly, but there are many more. I need to dig out my VH1 100 Greatest Women in Rock video to find more.

As for Bowie, I'd say your heart is correct and the music is great. Quality shouldn't be determined by sales. Do you really think "Purple Rain" is 13 times better and influential than "Sign o' the Times?" Do you think "Sign o' the Times" or "The Gold Experience" are weak because neither went more than platinum? Of course you don't! And you're right!

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Moonbeam said:

yes, but i don't necessarily think he was that directly influential on American artists.




actually, i do