totaldiva said:

Your thinking is too simplistic. What separated Janet from the other family members was that, by accident, she ended up with Jam & Lewis who had most of the tracks for the Control album already recorded for another artist before they even met Janet. When that artist pulled out, Janet was persuaded (against her will) to work with them instead and it proved to be a perfect combination. But if she hadn't been Michael's sister then she would not have been in line to work with them in the first place. She would not even have a record deal. Now, the org is home to much dumbness so there may be some poor souls around here who don't realise this, but Janet herself knows it. If you don't realise that then you clearly haven't been paying attention.
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Control is brilliant musically and sounds great alongside Prince, Prince produced tracks and Prince-protege produced tracks (I had a marathon last night), but vocally it's weak and she sounded much better on her first 2 albums. So even if she hadn't found jimmy and terry she may have been around and faded away like jermaine or latoya.

As I said, I had a marathon last night, and I found that vocally I preferred listening to Jody Watley, Karyn White cause of the stronger vocals than Janet even if their voices aren't like Whitney. And after listening to Janet when listening to them, I find that I enjoy the music more than the voice, cause hers is weak compared to them though much better than a voice like paula abdul's. I do like Janet's voice, I just think she sounds better on some songs than others.

Janet definately wins. Her music has longevity, even Bey's work from DC sounds outdated at this point...

She's an amazing dancer, not just an ass shaker, and has a warm personality.... Janet Jackson is an icon, because of hard work, a lot of backup, and consistently producing music that was better than her peers... Her other siblings, tried to have careers, and failed. If all they needed was a production team, why couldn't Latoya have become the "Janet" of the family? She had the star power, and the determination to make it. She also has a HUGE WORK ETHIC, which so many people seem to miss. She wasn't simply being pushed and prodded by others. She is often said to be a first person that comes into work, and the last person who left. Perhaps this wasn't her passion, but it was certainly her job, and one she worked hard at. Some of the Jacksons, perhaps even a bit more talented.... may not have had that thirst for success. Yes, she had the right people behind her, but she didn't go on and on about wanting to be an "icon", and for the most part made wise decisions.... Even for those who say that she's a studio creation, at least she brought creativity to her work, made memorable videos, became an interesting entertainer, and never pretended to be more than she was.

Not to mention, she still looks young. Sorry Bey, but she looks 10 years older than she really is. Janet still looked 20 when she was 30.... Yes, the Jacksons seem to have a discrepancy, btw age, and how old they look, but she used this to her advantage very well...


Shows how much you know. Janet has been cute since she was "Penny"...and despite being a Jackson, she was never shoved down our throat like Bey.

Some people will get behind whoever is being heavily promoted, and whoever the media deems relevant..


Exactly..
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TotalAlisa said:

Very good performance!

midnightmover said:

I am far from a simple thinker. Check yourself,sweetie. Anyway, I answered according to what was posted. If nephatism was a factor, the entire Jackson clan would have been turning out hit records. Janet is no exception, because she is still a Jackson sibling. Janet may not have powerhouse vocal ability (like the majority of hitmakers today including Madonna, Britney, and Rihanna), but she had that "it" factor that along with a great production team created success. Remember, Latoya released a cd with the hottest producers of the moment, Full Force, which still bombed, so your theory of nephotism has been disproven. Now don't make me come back to this old thread again.
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totaldiva said:

You're missing the point. The point is Janet (just like Latoya and Rebbie) would not have even had a record deal if not for her surname. Doors were opened for her before she even thought to knock. None of the Jackson girls earned their place. It was simply handed to them. Sure, Janet became much bigger than them, but that's like saying George Bush Jr owes nothing to his father's name since, after all, not all of his father's children became President.

P.S. You don't really think Full Force were "the hottest producers of the moment" do you?
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midnightmover said:

at the end of the day it dont matter what your last name is or who you work with, you gotta step up to the plate and deliver. janet has had one of the most successful careers in pop music history, that wasnt handed to her. she established herself as a icon seperate from her brother and built her own fanbase. you can give all the credit to others if you like but lets flip the script and remove janet's catalog from jam&lewis resume,what kinda legacy would they have?

lowkey said:

i disagree. janet was handed over to jam and lewis, she was surrounded by a great team of writers and producers and she saw the power of dance that her brother brought to the stage and used that as well. I just think people give janet more credit than she deserved. when rene left and jam and lewis peaked, her career went downhill. she didn't even write any songs on her last album, for the true songwriter i just find that impossible. if she would have done some good songs apart from JJ and TL then I would give her more credit.
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Janet wins every thing except vocal ability.

midnightmover said:

You are obviously under the age of 30. Yes, Full Force were one of the hottest producers of the time turning out hits for LisaLisa (ever heard of her?), Samantha Fox, James Brown all the way to NKOB, N Sync, and Britney Spears as well as hits for themselves. Do some research. As I said before, and hopefully for the last time, it was more than a last name which catapulted Janet into superstardom. Yes, the door was open to her due to Michaels success, but unlike her siblings, she had that it factor along with a hot, fresh production team to take her to the top. Yes, George Bush won his presidency with the help of a last name (and other factors to much to discuss in a music forum), and look what the country has become in the last 8 years. Very poor comparison.
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totaldiva said:

Girl, you are tripping. Full Force were NOWHERE NEAR the hitmakers that Jam & Lewis were. The songs they did with James Brown and Samantha Fox (great talent there) were flops. Are you really so uninformed that you need me to list the huge successes J&L had with other artists? Their style was also much better suited to Janet since they combined melody with the funk. LA & Babyface might also take issue with your claim that FF were the "hottest producers of the moment"


The fact that Bush was utterly hopeless only strengthens my point. For such a nitwit to get so far shows you how connections can often be more important than ability. The same is true of Janet.

alphastreet said:

You really think Janet sounded better (vocally) on the first two albums? I've never heard anyone say that before.Jam and Lewis were able to take Janet's limited vocal ability and make her sound decent.They gave her songs with alot of bass,bells and whistles.