Mong said:

Wasn't Madonna's Girlie Show (off erotica) and reinvention (off American life) very successful tours off poorly performing albums?

I would say she did the right thing in touring. She's just not following through with it...

estelle81 said:

good points and she doesnt owe any excuse, however, her or ANY artist that knows (and she knows) that you have a base of fans that travel, book flights etc..just to come see you alot of things are not refunded, first of all, ticket charges are not refunded, sure it may be about 10 bucks, but all i hear on this forum is people bitching about cd's sucking that they spent 10 bucks on, so it is what it is. A cancelled show is a cancelled show, shit happens, and even if its true her reasons, it really doesnt matter, people will think what they will think because of past things that have gone one, its really just a case of the boy who cried wolf. But the fact is that the shows that went on, were the ones that were "profitable", and the ones that didnt werent. At the end of the day its up to the artist to do what they want to fix a situation, and just live with the outcomes.

You guys crack me up.

Why even bother to reschedule shows that had decent sales like in NYC if Janet wasn't sick in the first place?

Everyone that says the shows were canceled because of low ticket sales, show me the exact number of tickets sold for those canceled dates and how far under capacity they were.

xperience319 said:

Both did well outside the States, plus Erotica sold close to 3million which isn't bad.

sextonseven said:

Take for instance the Blonde Ambition tour. Madge canceled and postponed some dates because of a throat infection and released a press release THE DAY she found out. Also when she canceled a show in Rome for poor ticket sales because of pressure from the Vatican she released a statement saying that.

Than watch the video I posted from White Diamond.

If two of the biggest worldwide female pop singers can pony up and say they are sick right away what is Janet hiding? She hid her marriage... who's to say she's above holding out the reason she canceled?

ehuffnsd said:

Who cares what Madonna did?

Why assume poor ticket sales when there isn't any proof yet?

Mong said:

janet is far from egotistical. But she really did this tour for the fans. they kept asking her to tour for years.

xperience319 said:

Different case altogether. Janet's come off two poor selling albums. It's a no brainer financially not to tour in that case. As far as I'm concerned, it is egotistical to think that people will come and see you when your last two albums have flopped. She's always been about set pieces, and doesn't exactly ingratiate herself to people in her demeanour on stage...far from personable. It really is a case of tough shit as far as I'm concerned for her.

"This Can't Be Good"

Honestly I was surprised when the tour was announced. Especially after they decided not to continue pushing Discipline. It was really taking a chance.

ehuffnsd said:

why is janet always expected to do what madonna or some other pop star does? she said she was sick,just because she didnt hold a press conference the day she got sick to announce what she's sick from means she is lying? what does her keeping her own marriage a secret have to do with this, she didnt owe it to anybody to say she was married.those shows she postponed and rescheduled had already sold well so what reason would she have to postpone them? as for the ones she cancelled, if the ticket sales werent that good why reschedule them, thats just business.for the fans who didnt get to see her, oh well shit happens, get your money back and pay some bills with it.

sextonseven said:

hmmm...i don't know. just days before the nov 1st rescheduled date, i was able to find 1st level seats on ticketmaster for msg. i couldn't go because i decided to go to chicago for halloween but the point is i could have had prime seats just days before the show...

sassybritches said:

That goes for any show by any artist. Held tickets are released close to the show. I don't know how you can look at the crowd shots from MSG and come to the conclusion that it somehow sold poorly.

FunkyGraf said:

2008 has been a rough year for her.She's gonna have to make some serious changes in her career.

sextonseven said:

she was sick too. but i read some article the other day on yahoo that the show was cancelled due to empty seats even ll cool j bailed due to same reason.
Sales were very poor in some areas and those r the places got canned

Regardless of her reasons for postponing or cancelling,the fact remains that her tour hasn't been running smoothly at all.This is gonna affect her in the future,if she decides to tour again.People might be skeptical about buying tickets to future shows.They don't wanna hear excuses,they just want a show.Memo to Janet: When you schedule dates for a tour,you gotta deliver! No backing out.If it's too much for her to handle,then maybe she shouldn't be touring at all.

I read one blip that said she cancelled because of conflict with her schedule. What else is on her schedule I wonder?

Hey, SoulAlive, No space!

JackieBlue said:

True, but in contrast, Prince has toured with unsuccesful albums.

PrettyMan72 said:

But Prince is... Prince! There's so much he can do and offer even without a release. Janet is coming off of unsuccessful albums and bad publicity.

JackieBlue said:

See,this is why so many people never believe her excuses.What "scheduling conflicts" would an artist have when they're already on tour? A tour is supposed to take priority.Any other projects must wait until the tour is over.We don't know why she cancelled those dates but I don't think there are any "scheduling conflicts" at all.

SoulAlive said:

Didn't she use "production constraints" as an excuse for an earlier cancelled date? "Production constraints", "scheduling conflicts", "waldrobe malfunctions". I just feel sorry for the poor guy who has to dream up all these vague excuses. I never hear this shit from any other artist.

if tix dont sell of course most stars will find an excuse instead of admitting ppl r not coming to see them. Most stars also have such bloated egos that they will not try to move it to smaller venue.
This is what happened. and for shows that did take place in smaller cities the report said the arena was mostly empty.

looks at usher now i read he cant sell out a 4,000 cap venue

JackieBlue said:

she's actually working on alot of things, that's she suppose to do this year. her longeria line pleasure princple is comming out in November, she's still working on the show with Mtv called triple treat, and I am not sure when her book Me is comming out. so it's not like she not working on anything.and I heard the tour was suppose to stop at the end of october anyway so they can film triple treat. so that's probably why the dates weren't made up.
anyway I feel Janet is really doing too much and I would love if she would focus on one project and complelte it fully,

shortstuff45220 said:

I forgot about the MTV show. Wasn't really into that idea anyway. The lingerie line might be interesting tho.

SoulAlive said:

how do you know there are no scheduling conflicts,the last show was suppose to have been detroit in late october, she had to reschedule several shows.we dont know what other stuff she had planned,we dont know what other events those arenas had scheduled.an artist cant just call a arena and say since i didnt make it on this date let me have this date, if there were conflicts with her schedule and the availability of the arena thats called a 'scheduling conflict'.can somebody tell me exactly how many shows were cancelled

lowkey said:

Seven

asg said:

Where is this article?

So Janet can sell enough tickets for a show in suburban New Jersey, but not in Philadelphia or Boston? Very unbelievable.

sextonseven said:

Do you mean the East Rutherford show? When we saw that the upper level wasn't filling up we were scared there might not be a show but of course that's quite late to cancel.

sextonseven said:

This wasnt the article i read but just search online and u know sales have been poor. I should also get real box office numbers soon( maybe next week) i will post them for ur satisfaction


Janet Jackson Career Chaos

Has Janet Jackson straightened out her career chaos at last?

Last night she performed in Houston, her first show in a couple of weeks since canceling and rescheduling a bunch of them including Madison Square Garden.

Janet — who is to the Jacksons what Marilyn was to the Munsters, aka the Normal One, announced finally that a bout of vertigo did her in.

But Jackson watchers speculated that she’d picked up an old trick from brother Michael. When ticket sales are off, or you just feel blue, claim illness. Michael has made more unnecessary hospital visits than any other celebrity besides his own mentor, Liz Taylor.

Still, it seemed so unlike Janet. She’s always had a strong work ethic, and always seemed above her family’s shenanigans.
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But the truth is, tickets were not moving. Yesterday afternoon you could have bought 8 floor seats for the show at Houston’s Toyota Center.

Even with Janet back on the road, her biggest problems are not resolved.

For one thing, she’s left her record label, Island Def Jam, after one release, the disappointing "Discipline," which followed two flops in a row: "Damita Jo" and "20 YO." Her departure from Island/DefJam could cause a problem in her personal life since longtime fiancée Jermaine Dupri heads up the R&B part of the label and was responsible for Discipline being so, well, undisciplined.

But Dupri didn’t get it. He cast Janet as her 30-year-old self and not a mature 40-year-old woman who should be handling different kinds of material, not more bump and grind.

Sources say Dupri may be next at the end of Janet’s big broom, which could also sweep away manager Johnny Wright and others whom she may blame for this latest debacle.

But pr goddess Patti Webster, recovering from surgery, insists no one’s going anywhere. At least, for now.

Janet’s next big issue is trying for the fourth time to re-start her recording career before there’s really nothing left to it. There aren’t so many choices left. She can cross off the Universal Music Group and EMI, where she lodged for many years with Virgin. That really leaves just Sony/Columbia, where she might convince Clive Davis to work his magic. Of course, she could go to Warner M. Group’s Atlantic Records, where Davis protégé Pete Ganbarg has just taken over artist relation duties.

VoicesCarry said:

Hmm, well... probably due to the fact that the whole 400 section was empty!?

I do not really think that she faked her illness, but I'm pretty sure that (even) low(er) ticket sales might have contributed to her deciscion to not reschedule!

I mean, 14 of the 16 shows she did had disappointing (by her standards) attending figures... why play more shows to a third empty arenas? That said though, I think she should have done those shows... the fans who bought tickets deserved it and she still did pull in about 700.000 dollars per show, so she certainly didn't have to pay out of her own pocket for the shows!

The whole tour was handled very poorly by everyone involved!