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Printablelastdecember said: estelle81 said: Pretty much all of the music video channels only play videos after midnight and until around 8 AM...has been like that for a while now. Music videos are to albums, what movie trailers are to a film IMO, just a way to sell the product...pretty much an overpriced commercial. Record labels aren't going to keep shelling out hundreds of thousands of dollars (sometimes millions) to make a video when many people just download what they like from the album or share and/or borrow from others online? Many artists nowadays seem more concerned with living the lavish life than paying to make a video with their own money, so that's probably why you see the same video being played over and over again when they do come on.
Someone made a point about how the UK has more live music shows, like Top of the Pops. Soul Train is in re-runs nowadays and TRL is about to be taken off the air (if it hasn't been done already), and, at the ends of these two show's runs, nothing great was happening. People lost interest and the ratings dropped, so they were cancelled to make room for shows like "American Idol". Why pay an established artist millions, when you can just make a whole new star, that the American public picks, and not have to pay them the same as you would a music veteran? I've read great things about P!nk's new album in several US publications, so if she's going to focus more on overseas, than that's all up to her because it seems that she makes more money in the UK touring than here, but we have Americans in this country struggling to pay their bills so I'm not all that surprised by her and any other artist's similar response to this subject because who has money to spend on a concert when your cash flow ain't right. If the economy improves, they'll probably all change their stories.  Agree on what you are saying, i just dont see the american music scene rebounding, its too far gone, its not tied to the economy because it was going down since right around 2000, they are lots of details to this fall that i wont bore the forum with but many of it has not been spoken of, and its costs that the label really blew away and never works it into the equation of just how they spend their money. I agree that record labels are making foolish spending endeavors alot of the time. Mediore music is what's actually killing the record industry. Prince Rogers Nelson
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lastdecember said: TonyVanDam said: Only 4 types of genres sells in the USA these days: hip-hop/r&b (READ: shit-hop & rhythmless bullshit) contemporary country (READ: The Faith Hill/Carrie Underwood types of sound) Disney-pop (READ: Miley Cyrus, The Jonas Brothers, & The HSM Posse) Rock (READ: Nickelback, Amy Lee, whatever is on FM rock radio at the moment) Its even more than the selling part, its the fact that you cant even get played if you dont fall into that strict guideline. And another group i would add to the groups mentioned, would be the token "HYPER" and that would be the person that is called the saviour of music after one record by the media. This would be the Amy Whinehouse's, Duffy's etc... these two women are stealing or copying 60's sounding american music. There music resembles stuff you would hear from motown. IM NOT IMPRESSED. now if it was an original sound i might be. but all they are doing is remaking what was doing years ago. |
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shesoffthewall said: Miserablism said: WTF! Are you crazy? we only know him because of knight rider. Background: Multi-talented entertainer David Hasselhoff drew the attention of the public while playing the character of Dr. William 'Snapper' Foster in CBS's soap opera The Young and the Restless (1975-1982). He gained even more notice for his portrayal as crime fighter Michael Knight in the fantasy action series Knight Rider (1982). Hasselhoff's outstanding performance awarded him with a People's Choice Award for Favorite Male Performer in 1983. He also gained worldwide fame after playing chief lifeguard Mitch Buchannon in Baywatch (1989-2000). Not only famous for his acting, Hasselhoff is also popular for his singing. His first album, "Looking for Freedom," became number one on the German charts and received gold and triple platinum certification in Europe. He then was named Most Popular and Best Selling Artist of the Year in Germany. http://www.superiorpics.c...asselhoff/ No I'm not crazy but the people in Germany are. Cos yeah...Germany so equals the rest of the world | |
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TotalAlisa said: lastdecember said: Its even more than the selling part, its the fact that you cant even get played if you dont fall into that strict guideline. And another group i would add to the groups mentioned, would be the token "HYPER" and that would be the person that is called the saviour of music after one record by the media. This would be the Amy Whinehouse's, Duffy's etc... these two women are stealing or copying 60's sounding american music. There music resembles stuff you would hear from motown. IM NOT IMPRESSED. now if it was an original sound i might be. but all they are doing is remaking what was doing years ago. When are you ever impressed? | |
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Well...I don't like her!  I'm afraid of Americans. I'm afraid of the world. | |
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The main problem is you can't have totally deregualted captialism because like totally unchecked Communist government regulation you will have major problems. This started in 1985 When Ronald Reagan ended the "Fairness Doctrine" and allowed foriegners to purchase American Compaines. Well the Japanesse and Venture captialists like Rupert Murdock and others went buck wild and bought FOX,Universal, CBS, Polygram, Motown, and many other major labels and the subsidaries and either merged them into a huge corprorate subsiduaries. And if anyone saw the documentary "Outfoxed" every country where Murdock has bought stations and Networks that's country's culture has been "dumbed down" by a staple of reality shows, tabliod,t.v. and partisan politcal shows and a ramping of that nations politcal,ethnic and culture wars for ratings and huge profits.
It is to the point that there is only 2 American held companies,Warner Products and Disney so every other record label,News Network or company is owned by foriegn compaines so they have no tie to the American market so those artists looking for work should/would tour overseas where the revnue streams are bigger and our market though still the biggest economic market there is no interest in quality entertainment because there is no profit for an artist to apply their trade. Welcome to 30 years of GOP "trickle -down capitialism.You get the government, music and popular culture you deserve, which is now an American "lower class ghetto" entertainment culture that Cora Daniels talked about in her book "ghettonation". Why do you think shows like "Flavor of Love","Chance for love", The Hills and Jerry Springer and Maury and people like "Joe the Plumber" and Sean Hannity are taken seriously by the intellectual and politcal elite for their politcal opinions when they are as dumb as rocks. Today as Americans we have the chance for the first time since 1976 to vote for some real change and as an African- American for me it's ain't about Obama even if he is elected or not,it's about taking on the FCC and other goverment entities that has created an enviroment of total deregualtion by the GOP and free-market Econmists like Milton Friedman needs to be reigned in and Average Americans should also be able to have a voice and get involved in radio, network and take on the " Corprorate Ghetto Nation" so channels like PBS and other like- minded people who produced had great shows in the 1960's -1970's can flourish and we as Americans take back control AND BEGIN the process of overhauling what has been bad entertainment viewing in every stream for the last 20 years, Clear Channel,News Corp,and BET should not dictate popular culture for Americans. sorry for the long post. | |
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lastdecember said: midnightmover said: All Pink summed up in that statement is that she's more popular in Europe than America. So what? Pink is shit, so Europe should hardly be praised for supporting her. Same goes for Kelly Rowland.
[Edited 11/3/08 9:35am] Actually it was more than that, its a bigger picture, the states is not the place to go when you wanna push playing on shows, getting gigs. I took a 3 week look at what artists and bands were doing the late night talk shows, and they are artists that i wouldnt even let listen to music let alone play it. Theres all these shitty "fall out boy" clone bands on every late nite show from Conan (who used to book the best, now is shit) every now and then you get a "blue moon" appearance from Nikka Costa and Ryan Adams, but all in all, no one is doing anything here. You're putting words in her mouth. Here is the exact quote... "well im staying overseas because they like me more there and then hopefully we can do something small in the states". All she's saying is she's more popular overseas. Nothing more, nothing less. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: lastdecember said: Actually it was more than that, its a bigger picture, the states is not the place to go when you wanna push playing on shows, getting gigs. I took a 3 week look at what artists and bands were doing the late night talk shows, and they are artists that i wouldnt even let listen to music let alone play it. Theres all these shitty "fall out boy" clone bands on every late nite show from Conan (who used to book the best, now is shit) every now and then you get a "blue moon" appearance from Nikka Costa and Ryan Adams, but all in all, no one is doing anything here. You're putting words in her mouth. Here is the exact quote... "well im staying overseas because they like me more there and then hopefully we can do something small in the states". All she's saying is she's more popular overseas. Nothing more, nothing less. No actually you can tell from her body lanuguage, she was laughing as if to say "im not big here, why play" she even spoke about her last album that no one cared about till one song got played because of George Bush and then all of a sudden the album caught on, so she pointed out also had america was just a funny country to pinpoint. But Pink is a meaphor for the bigger picture of the dead market. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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I wish it (music) wasn't considered a "market" and seen more as way to express yourself artistically  | |
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Miserablism said: Because of these: - Hip-hop - Pop being considered not manly and gay - The end of MTV as a video channel - Hip-Hop - Whitney Houston or if she had hits | |
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she sucks ass  | |
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