Today i caught an interview with PINK and the person asked her, "now that the album is out are you touring the states" her reply, really sums up the state of the USA as players in the marketplace. She said "well im staying overseas because they like me more there and then hopefully we can do something small in the states". that sums it up.

The U.S. music scene is dead & has been that way for years. Sad but true.

kelly roland practically lives in the uk now!

dancerella said:

GOOD 4 her

Kelly's album and her single Work were like strap-on for lesbians in terms of uk success

Amerie also bought a house there too, they love her overseas, she got a seven figure deal for some tv commercial she did there. And of course the US slept on her album, well, it was convienently "hidden" but higher ups at Sony in the us.

america is a joke now i wanna move 2 another country since illegal becoming the new face of america

So why does the US ignore all these acts? Why has it gotten so slack lately?

purplesweat said:

Because of these:

- Hip-hop
- Pop being considered not manly and gay
- The end of MTV as a video channel
- Hip-Hop
- Whitney Houston

Miserablism said:

--the closure of stores where u can buy music and not just the hot new releases of the day.
--the end of all video channels, and no play for everyone
--no outlets for music promotion.in the UK there are so many shows that you can go on and push your music, hear in the US what do you have? there is no top of the pops like show, there is nothing.
--catering everything to the younger crowd, and making everything about age here
this is why you have such a division in music here.
The usa pales to all other markets at this point, and he has nothing to do with the "soundscan numbers" which at the end of the day are meaningless. Artists right now dont really want to do anything here, and who can blame them. They put their records out and then they fly over to the UK and Europe and do the promo and tours, the scene has changed here drastically since this decade began pretty much.
[Edited 11/2/08 16:50pm]

You have no video channels in the US?

curioso said:

MTV is about to eliminate whats left of its music lineup in 2009. they play 6 hours of videos a week right now, but still call themselves "music television" and those 6 hours are about the same 12 videos

VH1 & BET are in the same boat at this point as MTV with a little more variety, but VH1 has become nothing more than the "celebrity reality" network, and BET well, no comment on what they are.

Outside of that, there was a channel International Music Transfer which hit with 24 hours of videos, no reality shit, no vjs, but they got taken off.

then you have VH1Classic which is great for playing the best of the old days, and it throws in new videos from classic artists, which is cool.

and then there is MTVH which is MtvHits which is nothing more than a TRL like hit parade, kind of what Mtv used to be however, not much in variety of music.

Those last 2 channels are buried though, they arent available to all cable users and networks and things like that.

Overseas also has love for David Hasselhoff and LaToya Jackson. Both markets have moments of being dillusional.

Miserablism said:

you forgot another reason

Because the mainstream is so tired....it's all been done before they keep trying to reuse the old sex sells formula and it isn't shocking or appealing anymore..IMHO it is trashy.....

Since the US has the largest music market it's shocking you don't have a channel dedicated to current music videos.
Thanks for the info.

shesoffthewall said:

Since when is LaToya loved here...

curioso said:

The problem is the monopoly; the same people own all of the media outlets. These corporations only want to sell reality shows.
Even the specialty channels that are SUPPOSED to only show music videos have begun showing more repeats of reality shows. VH-1 Soul has become a bastardization of itself. Showing the old Mtv Salt & Pepa show repeats and playing the hip-hop honors shows in massive repetition - that channel is a joke now. they have parted from everything they started out as. People pay for channels like that to escape hip-hop and what do they play - hip-hop! They started out playing old videos (Cameo. Bar-Kays, EWF, etc.) and that lasted about a year. After that, they have proceeded with their agenda of forcing what they want down peoples' throats. They do the exact same thing on the rock stations. They play reality show reruns and other crap outside of the format. You know what station plays videos? Mtv Jams - the hip-hop video channel. Why? Because its the same shit that labels/corporations are paying the radio stations to play. Its sucks. Still, I manage to find new music on the web despite these lame antics.
Pink is a smart girl. That's why Terrence Trent D'Arby/Sananda left and hasn't bothered with us much since. I understand. Go where the money flow.

All Pink summed up in that statement is that she's more popular in Europe than America. So what? Pink is shit, so Europe should hardly be praised for supporting her. Same goes for Kelly Rowland.
[Edited 11/3/08 9:35am]

Miserablism said:

Oh so you don't deny David Hasselhoff eh?

shesoffthewall said:

I live in Iceland (which is a part of Europe) and I've never ever heard any songs by the Hoff and definitely not LaToya on the radio here. David Hasselhoff is of course known here for his starring role in the Baywatch series but I don't think anyone has heard his music here except for maybe seeing that hilarious "Hooked on a Feeling" video on Youtube.

shesoffthewall said:

WTF! Are you crazy? we only know him because of knight rider.

midnightmover said:

Actually it was more than that, its a bigger picture, the states is not the place to go when you wanna push playing on shows, getting gigs. I took a 3 week look at what artists and bands were doing the late night talk shows, and they are artists that i wouldnt even let listen to music let alone play it. Theres all these shitty "fall out boy" clone bands on every late nite show from Conan (who used to book the best, now is shit) every now and then you get a "blue moon" appearance from Nikka Costa and Ryan Adams, but all in all, no one is doing anything here.

Miserablism said:

Background:

Multi-talented entertainer David Hasselhoff drew the attention of the public while playing the character of Dr. William 'Snapper' Foster in CBS's soap opera The Young and the Restless (1975-1982). He gained even more notice for his portrayal as crime fighter Michael Knight in the fantasy action series Knight Rider (1982). Hasselhoff's outstanding performance awarded him with a People's Choice Award for Favorite Male Performer in 1983. He also gained worldwide fame after playing chief lifeguard Mitch Buchannon in Baywatch (1989-2000).

Not only famous for his acting, Hasselhoff is also popular for his singing. His first album, "Looking for Freedom," became number one on the German charts and received gold and triple platinum certification in Europe. He then was named Most Popular and Best Selling Artist of the Year in Germany.

http://www.superiorpics.c...asselhoff/

No I'm not crazy but the people in Germany are.

purplesweat said:

Only 4 types of genres sells in the USA these days:

hip-hop/r&b (READ: shit-hop & rhythmless bullshit)
contemporary country (READ: The Faith Hill/Carrie Underwood types of sound)
Disney-pop (READ: Miley Cyrus, The Jonas Brothers, & The HSM Posse)
Rock (READ: Nickelback, Amy Lee, whatever is on FM rock radio at the moment)

bboy87 said:

And THESE reasons:

TonyVanDam said:

Its even more than the selling part, its the fact that you cant even get played if you dont fall into that strict guideline. And another group i would add to the groups mentioned, would be the token "HYPER" and that would be the person that is called the saviour of music after one record by the media. This would be the Amy Whinehouse's, Duffy's etc...

BlaqueKnight said:

If I was a celebrity within the industry (especially music), I would have a house in the USA & the UK. But the UK (along with Europe) is where I would conduct most of my business.

Pretty much all of the music video channels only play videos after midnight and until around 8 AM...has been like that for a while now. Music videos are to albums, what movie trailers are to a film IMO, just a way to sell the product...pretty much an overpriced commercial. Record labels aren't going to keep shelling out hundreds of thousands of dollars (sometimes millions) to make a video when many people just download what they like from the album or share and/or borrow from others online? Many artists nowadays seem more concerned with living the lavish life than paying to make a video with their own money, so that's probably why you see the same video being played over and over again when they do come on.

Someone made a point about how the UK has more live music shows, like Top of the Pops. Soul Train is in re-runs nowadays and TRL is about to be taken off the air (if it hasn't been done already), and, at the ends of these two show's runs, nothing great was happening. People lost interest and the ratings dropped, so they were cancelled to make room for shows like "American Idol". Why pay an established artist millions, when you can just make a whole new star, that the American public picks, and not have to pay them the same as you would a music veteran?

I've read great things about P!nk's new album in several US publications, so if she's going to focus more on overseas, than that's all up to her because it seems that she makes more money in the UK touring than here, but we have Americans in this country struggling to pay their bills so I'm not all that surprised by her and any other artist's similar response to this subject because who has money to spend on a concert when your cash flow ain't right. If the economy improves, they'll probably all change their stories.

estelle81 said:

Agree on what you are saying, i just dont see the american music scene rebounding, its too far gone, its not tied to the economy because it was going down since right around 2000, they are lots of details to this fall that i wont bore the forum with but many of it has not been spoken of, and its costs that the label really blew away and never works it into the equation of just how they spend their money.