ehuffnsd said:

Yeah the Superbowl thing was crass, we all saw the press-studs on that flap. Her reaction (and her fans, of all communities) at the time was beyond ridiculous.

ehuffnsd said:

Madonna always courted controversy and knew how to play it. Janet was the 'normal' Jackson who was cute and nice and so sweet and a little sexy and the Superbowl thing, she played it so wrong. Justin pretty much threw her under the bus and the media just turned on Janet like I've never seen. In the general public consciousness she still has tittygate hangover, she hasn't been able to replace that idea with any other new image that the media could focus on. She's retread the same 'sexiness' for her last 3 releases. Maybe she needs to go to kaballah or write kids books or do broadway or anything other than sex kitten. Anything.

mynameisnotsusan said:

Or do Playboy, and say it wasn't an accident!

Haystack said:

Hello 'Stack.

ehuffnsd said:

I agree with this.

I laughed my ass off at the wardrobe malfunction excuse considering she had an all-too-convenient pasty on her nipple for the 'accidental moment'

And the handling of the the controversy afterwords was like a statement saying tat she assumes the viewing audience (to include her precious shrinking fanbase) were stupid.

I mean, come on! It was a publicity stunt that backfired. Madonna would have said, "Look motherfuckers--we rehearsed this shit. Why didn't you voice your concerns then?!!! and fuck y'all!"

SoulAlive said:

Agree, not a huge fan of either but Madonna's music is far more eclectic for pop.
from the early hits "Holliday" "Like A Virgin" "La Isla Bonita" to the more recent ones "Frozen" "Music"....a big variety in her music her image and her persona.
Janet has been stuck in that pop-ish R&B rut diging a groove in a circle.
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Imago said:

I'm surprised people were flipping off. She did cover that shit with a pasty.

mynameisnotsusan said:

If only she had interests other than f*cking.

Why does she have to 'reinvent' herself? Has anyone ever said Tina Turner should 'do something different' when her records stopped selling well? I don't buy that - there are many acts out there who have done THE SAME THING over and over again and always sell.

I thought Madonna made better albums this decade than Janet, but Janet still did awesome to me and Discipline is her best effort in years, and Janet is still a wayyy better performer than Madonna.

Even thought Madonna is still popular here and has wayyy more fans and her music is everywhere, several people told me they prefer janet's concert to hers and I honestly enjoyed rock witchu way more than Sticky and Sweet though it was also a very fun show to be at.

And anyways, Madonna was always an international star while Janet was more successful in North America and Japan, but I feel really sad people are ignoring her cause her music is so on point and she deserves to be on top of the charts. Discipline is her best album in years.

I think JD being around her messed things up, but then again some of the songs JD collaborated on on Discipline do not sound like his songs so I don't think the music is the problem, it's the promotion, the superbowl, race issues and how the media portrayed her compared to madonna and britney, being a jackson, and it doesn't help that people are rude to her about her weight when she looked totally in shape in person when not wearing the yellow outfit.

However back to the original questions, the general public does NOT know miss you much the way they know Like a Prayer, La Isla Bonita, Holiday etc. Many artists besides mj wish to have megasuccessful classics like madonna's that are still on people's playlists
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JackieBlue said:

1986: "Funny How Time Flies"
1989: "Someday is Tonight"
1993: "If", "You Want This", "The Body That Loves You", "Throb", "Any Time, Any Place"
1995: "Twenty Foreplay"
1997: "Rope Burn", "Tonight's the Night"
2001: "Would U Mind?", "Love Scene", "When We Ooo"
2004: "Sexhibition", "Strawberry Bounce", "Warmth" (which is the most dirtiest song I ever heard Janet sing), "Moist"
2006: "Take Care" (self love :-p ), "Do It 2 Me", "This Body", "Love 2 Love", "So Excited"
2008: "Feedback" (my swag's serious/something heavy like a first-day period ), "Rock Wit U", "Discipline"

She ain't gonna stop, nucca.

alphastreet said:

I do think JD's fucking her career up.

SoulAlive said:

This is true, although the SB didn't help. You will hear many people say the last album they were checking from her was "janet.," some even before that (RN). A lot of Janet's diehards, including myself, were in denial about that. It just made it easy to blame everything on the Superbowl when in fact she was already falling off before that. Beyonce's popularity isn't helping Janet either. I find it ironic that both Beyonce and Janet had a big night that same SB night and only Beyonce is the one that received all of the positive press for her "Star Spangled Banner" performance. The media painted one as such a class act while the other diva was treated as trash.

I think so too, I don't like him around her and I hate how he talks ghetto and makes stupid clips promoting her, I think the public wanted her to be with someone intelligent and classy, I know I did.

I think she took Doesn't Really Matter too seriously, I tried that for a bit and it didn't work.

lastdecember said:

Janet will always be my favorite female artist, but Madonna is the Queen of Pop hands down.

shesoffthewall said:

Yeah I noticed that. Back then I was that fan. "Oh how can they talk shit..." Four years you realize that not everything is what you think it is.

"You can't just whip out a 40-year-old titty! That's your man's titty! 40-year-old titty, your man's titty. 20-year-old titty, COMMUNITY TITTY!" - Chris Rock


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alphastreet said:

Her career's going down faster than Whitney Houston's when she fucked with Bobby.

Timmy84 said:

Damn, that's alot of gettin' it in.

Weird thing is I used to run my Janet slow mix into the ground. All I needed was 3 or 4 of those cuts back to back and it was on. Now they do nothing for me. I rather hear Floetry Say Yes or some of those Raheem DeVaughn slow songs.

Timmy84 said:

Chris is so wrong for that but he's telling the truth. After a certain age, it just ain't cute anymore. Maybe the backlash from it is what Janet needs to understand she can still be sexy at her age but to go at it in a different way than what she's use to.

speaking of Madonna,I'm seeing her in concert this weekend.....two nights in a row! I'll have my full report on Monday.

SoulAlive said:

TUESDAY

Madonna never gave up on her own career the way Janet did for several years there. She is still the driving force of her own artistic/commercial output.

Because Madonna is white and Janet is not. A black woman could have never gotten away with what Madonna has done

Madonna also doesn't have a "sound." She works with popular producers for the moment. She doesn't seem to have a long-term collaborator or a certain style. That helps her get those fickle fans

See, this is why discussions like this lead to trouble. It ain't got shit to do with race for one thing: we know Janet's got that against her but if she had made some decisions right, she wouldn't be in this mess. The reason why Madonna has "gotten away with it" is because she has that "I could give a fuck" attitude. The Jacksons are the first to either get defensive or be apologetic for shit they can't control. I love Janet but got damn, baby, it wasn't because she's a "sista" in the overall picture, it was because she decided to put her career in the hands of a "mogul" who don't know what to do with careers.

Plus Madonna's also too old doing some of the shit she's doing.
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Timmy84 said:

The history we have in the music business, the things we have gone through, contradict you

LiquidGold said:

Well that's true. That's why I don't know what Janet was thinking in 2004 (alongside Justin). She should've just performed by herself all the way through.

I think the problem with Janet is that, in the beginning, successfully each of her albums had some sort of theme which represented where she was in her life and state of mind. Control, RN, Janet, Velvet Rope and All 4 U had a central theme. It made it exciting for fans because it marked a new direction in her music and she reinvented her style each time. Since the last two albums however, there really was no theme except love and sex and it all just seems like the same-o same-o and JD and all these producers did not really do much to add any depth to the songs like JJ and TL did.

Also, being that the Superbowl was about 6 months after the VMAs with Madonna, Xtina & Britney...it could be seen as a parallel response to the pairing of an 80's legend with a NewMillennium starlet(s). It was like 'I can't believe Madonna did that', but 'Janet? She took it TOO far'.

Hell, I was entertained by it all.

i dont see where madonna is so hot here in the usa.that hard candy album may have flopped just as hard as disipline without timberlake and timbaland.if you are talking about touring well yeah madonna tours will always be bigger, like it or not its a fact that aging white pop//rock stars do better touring then their black counterparts, also mainstream media in this country has been hating on janet since 2004 while i barely hear anything about madonna, im sorry but i never hear anybody talk about madonna until recently with the a-rod thing and now her divorce.madonna is a bigger international star but imo janet shits on madonna

LiquidGold said:

It has nothing to do with race. Michael has gotten away with soo many things that no other artist would of. Not even Madonna. Sure they were controversial for a minute but he's still has one of the most respected careers and is still thought of as being great. After things like the baby dangling, the accusations, the complete change of looks and just the general weirdness, he could still have a huge comeback and is loved by millions. Yes he gets mud slinged on him by the tabloids and media, but so does Madonna and most other celebrities.