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Thread started 11/23/02 1:38pm

VinnyM27

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Rock and Roll Hall of Fame...2003 White Wash?

I think Ann Coulter picked all the people that made the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year. Anyone else a little bit weirded out by the fact that Prince didn't make it and this was the first year that he was eligible. I think what is more disheartening than even that is the fact that all of the acts (from what I've seen printed) are all very white! Not that there is anything wrong with that, but geez. Then again, most aren't from America either. Here is the list of the major (I stress major) artists to be inducted this year.

AC/DC
The Clash
Elvis Costello (and the Attractions?)
The Police
The Righteous Brothers

The Righteous Brothers? Good night ladies and gentlemen! Maybe I'm just over reacting but this seems werid. I wonder what others reaction is.
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Reply #1 posted 11/23/02 1:55pm

Cloudbuster

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It's about time Costello was given his dues.
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Reply #2 posted 11/23/02 2:21pm

jtgillia

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But Prince isn't due to be eligible until 2004. There are actually several posts that prove that to be true.
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Reply #3 posted 11/23/02 2:50pm

lovemachine

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There has been about 20 threads started on this topic and PRINCE CANNOT BE INDUCTED UNTIL 2004, because "For You" missed the deadline by like a month.
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Reply #4 posted 11/23/02 3:40pm

Wolf

Yes, thank you. Prince isn't eligible until 2004...for the 20th time. smile
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Reply #5 posted 11/23/02 7:54pm

VinnyM27

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Wolf said:

Yes, thank you. Prince isn't eligible until 2004...for the 20th time. smile


Touchy! You still have to admit that its a little bit sad that there are no black artists making the list this year.
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Reply #6 posted 11/23/02 8:38pm

mistermaxxx

VinnyM27 said:

Wolf said:

Yes, thank you. Prince isn't eligible until 2004...for the 20th time. smile


Touchy! You still have to admit that its a little bit sad that there are no black artists making the list this year.
I'm not surprised at all.
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Reply #7 posted 11/24/02 4:21am

classic77

What black artists would be eligible this year for the hall of fame?
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Reply #8 posted 11/24/02 8:46am

VinnyM27

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classic77 said:

What black artists would be eligible this year for the hall of fame?


Donna Summer has been eligible for years. I know that she is not everyone's cup of tea but without Donna, there would be no Madonna. She was the first credible female pop artists. She co-wrote nearly all of her songs and has an amazing voice. Also, what about other disco acts like Chic? The only way disco gets its due is from white acts like the Bee Gees. Shame!
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Reply #9 posted 11/24/02 9:00am

lovemachine

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VinnyM27 said:

classic77 said:

What black artists would be eligible this year for the hall of fame?


Donna Summer has been eligible for years. I know that she is not everyone's cup of tea but without Donna, there would be no Madonna. She was the first credible female pop artists. She co-wrote nearly all of her songs and has an amazing voice. Also, what about other disco acts like Chic? The only way disco gets its due is from white acts like the Bee Gees. Shame!



Look at the list of missing artists. It has nothing to do with black or white.

http://www.freevote.com/booth/rockhall
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Reply #10 posted 11/24/02 9:04am

lovemachine

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I was looking through the list of people already inducted and anyone who thinks the organization is racist are clearly idiots.
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Reply #11 posted 11/24/02 9:19am

mistermaxxx

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I was looking through the list of people already inducted and anyone who thinks the organization is racist are clearly idiots.
you Must Live in "Leave it to Beaver" part of America too even say such BS??? no Bobby Womack in there,the Dells,Whispers,O'jays,Nancy Wilson,Rick James,Roger Troutman, let me break this down for you:most of the Black Artists in the "Rock&Roll Hall Of Fame" are also the Ones who have had Wide Commerical Success&Cross-Over.whenever you read General Pop Culture Magazines&things they have the Usual Suspect Negro Artists they Highlight.nothing wrong with the Usual names because they still stand out but there are so many Unsung Heroes IN R&B Music that are long overdue.but when you live in "Leave It BeaverLand" you don't really see How divided not only this Country is but also the Politics at these Industry type Events.
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Reply #12 posted 11/24/02 10:34am

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mistermaxxx said:

lovemachine said:

I was looking through the list of people already inducted and anyone who thinks the organization is racist are clearly idiots.
you Must Live in "Leave it to Beaver" part of America too even say such BS??? no Bobby Womack in there,the Dells,Whispers,O'jays,Nancy Wilson,Rick James,Roger Troutman, let me break this down for you:most of the Black Artists in the "Rock&Roll Hall Of Fame" are also the Ones who have had Wide Commerical Success&Cross-Over.whenever you read General Pop Culture Magazines&things they have the Usual Suspect Negro Artists they Highlight.nothing wrong with the Usual names because they still stand out but there are so many Unsung Heroes IN R&B Music that are long overdue.but when you live in "Leave It BeaverLand" you don't really see How divided not only this Country is but also the Politics at these Industry type Events.



That's idiotic. Look through this list and tell me there aren't just as many white acts who haven't made it.

http://www.freevote.com/booth/rockhall

Where is Queen? They were inovators and really ahead of their time and still loved today. For the love of God the Moody Blues aren't in. Jackson Browne, Chicago, Grand Funk Railroad.

I mean are you not surprised that Neil Diamond isn'tin? He's sold like 100,000,000 albums.

This should tell you that it's not a black white issue it's just an issue that the rock and roll hall of fame is kind of retarded.



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[This message was edited Sun Nov 24 10:43:15 PST 2002 by lovemachine]
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Reply #13 posted 11/24/02 11:14am

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Queen already made the hall of fame in 2000, I believe. That list must be wrong. I remember, because when they were inducted, the remaining members performed "Tie Your Mother Down" with Dave Grohl on lead guitar and vocals. It was excellent! I believe Steely Dan got inducted that year as well.
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Reply #14 posted 11/24/02 11:56am

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Although there is an obvious omission of Black recording artists being inducted this year, I can't honestly say I think the reason is racial, simply because there are a ton of Black artists already inducted in every category. There are MANY credible Black and White recording artists that are not in who are eligible. The Rock Hall is politicized just like any awards organization such as the Grammys or anything else where there has to be votes to count.

Someone said Donna Summer was the first credible female pop artist, maybe you're too young to realize that statement isn't true at all.

Something you guys should realize: they're now picking recording artists of the era of the late '70s (1977 at the latest to be exact), and we all know that was the era that disco flourished with abandon, to the point of even White rock groups recorded disco songs. With the exception of very few recording artists disco has never been taken seriously by people who run the Rock Hall. Be the artists Black or White. It's just not a genre that generated any type of respect with music critics and music journalists, and there are many of both on the Hall's voting comittee.

Chic was VERY respected by critics, though it seems they'll have to wait a bit longer too.

Although there are Black and White groups eligible who I think should be in in other genres, there are many White disco groups who weren't nominated either.

What jumps out at me, unfortunately, is that it seems that the Rock Hall is there for mainly cross-over Black artists (unless that Black artist was deemed an "early influence" by them). Because the '70s was the time of great Funk groups, and there should already be plenty of them in. PFunk is there, but they're not the one and only Funk group. What would all the Hip Hoppers do if they couldn't sample all that great Funk music of the '70s? Most wouldn't be in the music business, that's for sure.

Ps, I'm surprised The Righteous Bros. weren't in already.



blah, blah, blah...
[This message was edited Sun Nov 24 13:22:06 PST 2002 by Supernova]
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #15 posted 11/24/02 3:45pm

mistermaxxx

jtgillia said:

Queen already made the hall of fame in 2000, I believe. That list must be wrong. I remember, because when they were inducted, the remaining members performed "Tie Your Mother Down" with Dave Grohl on lead guitar and vocals. It was excellent! I believe Steely Dan got inducted that year as well.
EWF in 2000 along with Eric Clapton.Steely Dan went in the same year as Michael Jackson did as a Solo Artist in 2001.because I Remember Paul Shauffers annoying Ass trying too direct how Donald Fagen was playing.truly sad.Queen is in.but there are double standards within the Business at who gets in&who doesn't IMHO.but Black Artists have too usually be twice as Good or have a Major Impact too getting in.
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Reply #16 posted 11/25/02 5:01am

DavidEye

VinnyM27 said:

classic77 said:

What black artists would be eligible this year for the hall of fame?


Donna Summer has been eligible for years. I know that she is not everyone's cup of tea but without Donna, there would be no Madonna. She was the first credible female pop artists. She co-wrote nearly all of her songs and has an amazing voice.



I agree with you about Donna Summer.She has always been one of my favorite singers,and she did many groundbreaking recordings in the 70s.Her 1977 song "I Feel Love" practically STARTED the whole techno movement,and it was unlike anything else on the radio at the time.Similarly,she recorded the only listenable version of "MacArthur Park",and on the 'Bad Girls' album,she successfully mixed rock with Disco.Also,whereas most Disco artists faded away after 1979,Donna survived into the 80s and beyond with many other great songs and albums.I can't understand why the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame would overlook all her accomplishments.
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Reply #17 posted 11/25/02 5:16am

mistermaxxx

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VinnyM27 said:

classic77 said:

What black artists would be eligible this year for the hall of fame?


Donna Summer has been eligible for years. I know that she is not everyone's cup of tea but without Donna, there would be no Madonna. She was the first credible female pop artists. She co-wrote nearly all of her songs and has an amazing voice.



I agree with you about Donna Summer.She has always been one of my favorite singers,and she did many groundbreaking recordings in the 70s.Her 1977 song "I Feel Love" practically STARTED the whole techno movement,and it was unlike anything else on the radio at the time.Similarly,she recorded the only listenable version of "MacArthur Park",and on the 'Bad Girls' album,she successfully mixed rock with Disco.Also,whereas most Disco artists faded away after 1979,Donna survived into the 80s and beyond with many other great songs and albums.I can't understand why the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame would overlook all her accomplishments.
not too mention she was very Prolific dropping double Albums,very Successful with Her Sales&Awards&Much Appeal.and She is Was&is Still Great on the EYE-Balls!!!
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Reply #18 posted 11/25/02 5:21am

DavidEye

That's right,Donna recorded FOUR double albums back to back,with three of them going multi-platinum...

"Once Upon A Time"(1977)
"Live And More"(1978)
"Bad Girls"(1979)
"On The Radio"(1979)

She was,unquestionably,the biggest female artist of the late 70s.
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